Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

[Revealing Times]

Matt. 22:30......
"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."

Angels, fallen or unfallen are "Asexual".

We can not discount scripture. It clearly says in Genesis Sons of God took human wives. (Why mention Daughters of MEN if they were Humans ? We all know Humans marry daughters of MEN ) In Job when all the Angels met, they were called SONS OF GOD, and are called that in many places throughout the bible.

Angels are commanded to be Asexual, and Humans are commanded to not be Homosexual, but that is why Angels are Fallen Angels, they disobey, just as humans do also.

I have no idea how many debates I have had with those who propagate the Nephilim conspiracy theories from Genesis 6.

Fallen angels/demons could not procreate with humans according to Jesus's own words.

Not only that but all angels were created and not procreated. There is not one single Scripture that says angels reproduce in any way what so ever.

I do not spend my time worrying about this, but I am not going to discount it all together, there are scriptures that seem to back this up, especially in Jude. Jesus was speaking about what happens after the Resurrection, to people in Heaven who OBEY GOD.

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"Douggg, [/B]post: 70595626, member: 243832"]There are plenty of instances in the new testament of Jesus casting out unclean spirits. Demon is just a generic name. The unclean spirits are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim.

You see, I wouldn't go this far. There just is not any info out there on this. But there does seem to be something out of the ordinary, that God seems to mention vaguely.

I am not real big on this, because if they existed, God destroyed that seed long ago.

 

[Douggg]

(Why mention Daughters of MEN if they were Humans ?

excellent point

 

[Douggg]

You see, I wouldn't go this far. There just is not any info out there on this. But there does seem to be something out of the ordinary, that God seems to mention vaguely.

I am not real big on this, because if they existed, God destroyed that seed long ago.

I am not saying return of the Nephilim (like some). Only that of them that did exist, they are now the unclean spirits looking for a body to possess.

Matthew 12:
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

 

[Douggg]

Angels are commanded to be Asexual, and Humans are commanded to not be Homosexual, but that is why Angels are Fallen Angels, they disobey, just as humans do also.

I would think that those fallen angels first obtained a sin nature when they rebelled with Satan - then their involvement with humans came afterward.

 

[Revealing Times]

I would think that those fallen angels first obtained a sin nature when they rebelled with Satan - then their involvement with humans came afterward.

That is true, the point was they are disobedient by "NATURE" because they sinned against God. As are Humans until will accept Jesus Christ.

 

[keras]

You said.......
. 'We are not appointed to wrath'.....simply states we Christians are not the ones to whom God's wrath IS appointed to.
Exactly what I have been saying to you all along my friend!!!!!

What you can't face is what the prophets say we ARE appointed to!
Nowhere is it said Christians will be taken to heaven to avoid this forthcoming wrath. I can post over 30 verses telling how God will protect His people.
Then: we have work to do here, escapism is not an option.

 

[Major1]

What you can't face is what the prophets say we ARE appointed to!
Nowhere is it said Christians will be taken to heaven to avoid this forthcoming wrath. I can post over 30 verses telling how God will protect His people.
Then: we have work to do here, escapism is not an option.

Our Lord Jesus Christ taught that He might come back at any time, suddenly, imminently, without any notice or signs. The most important characteristic of Christ's NEXT return at the Rapture is that it could happen without warning, suddenly, catching us off guard if we're not faithfully serving our Master...

Mark 13:32-37.......
“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”

The Lord told us TO WATCH, because He might come back at any time, suddenly. For anyone to teach that the Rapture cannot happen until after the 7-year Tribulation period is blatant heresy. There's absolutely no way that the Rapture could happen after the Tribulation. There are numerous reasons. The following passage of Scripture 100% proves the Pretribulation return of Christ...

Matthew 24:42-44, “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.”

If those who reject the Pretribulation Rapture are correct in their opinions, then we would know absolutely that Christ cannot return until after the Rapture which would make Matthew 24:42-44 impossible. Please read it yet once again and THINK, PRAY.

How can we watch for the Lord's imminent and sudden return if He cannot return until after all the tragic events of the 7-year Tribulation period as taught in the book of Revelation? The only logical and workable conclusion is a Pretribulation Rapture, that is, the Rapture will take place BEFORE the Tribulation Period.

 

[Major1]

We can not discount scripture. It clearly says in Genesis Sons of God took human wives. (Why mention Daughters of MEN if they were Humans ? We all know Humans marry daughters of MEN ) In Job when all the Angels met, they were called SONS OF GOD, and are called that in many places throughout the bible.

Angels are commanded to be Asexual, and Humans are commanded to not be Homosexual, but that is why Angels are Fallen Angels, they disobey, just as humans do also.



I do not spend my time worrying about this, but I am not going to discount it all together, there are scriptures that seem to back this up, especially in Jude. Jesus was speaking about what happens after the Resurrection, to people in Heaven who OBEY GOD.

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You see, I wouldn't go this far. There just is not any info out there on this. But there does seem to be something out of the ordinary, that God seems to mention vaguely.

I am not real big on this, because if they existed, God destroyed that seed long ago.

The phrase...."Sons of God" in depends entirely on LOCATION. When seen seen used in Job it refers to the angels because it is a heavenly scene.

In Genesis 6 they are Humans as the location is the earth. Many really good people try to expound on the idea that fallen angels/demons had sex with humans producing an offspring of a kind of hybrid being.

However, I for I cannot accept that view, for many reason first of which is that if these were good angels, they would not commit this sin, and evil angels could never be designated as "sons of God."

As you said, NEVER discount the Word of God.

Also, the offspring here were men; they were not monstrosities. I do not know why it is assumed by so many that the offspring were giants.

 

[Riberra]

The Lord told us TO WATCH, because He might come back at any time, suddenly. For anyone to teach that the Rapture cannot happen until after the 7-year Tribulation period is blatant heresy.

The Bible tell us that Jesus will come as a thief AFTER the 6TH Vial of the Wrath of God Revelation 16:14-17...

The Christians ALIVE and REMAIN at that moment will be caught up to meet Jesus in the AIR [1 Thessalonians 4:14-17]only few moment before that the 7 TH Vial of the Wrath of God will be poured out...

I like to see how you will try to rub that Bible verse under the carpet.

Note ,even with that information it is still impossible to know precisely the day and the hour that Jesus will come... only the 'season'.

Revelation 16:14-17 KJV
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[keras]

If those who reject the Pretribulation Rapture are correct in their opinions, then we would know absolutely that Christ cannot return until after the Rapture which would make Matthew 24:42-44 impossible. Please read it yet once again and THINK, PRAY.

How can we watch for the Lord's imminent and sudden return if He cannot return until after all the tragic events of the 7-year Tribulation period as taught in the book of Revelation? The only logical and workable conclusion is a Pretribulation Rapture, that is, the Rapture will take place BEFORE the Tribulation Period.

What we are told to watch for now, is not Jesus' Return in glory; Matthew 24:42-44 doesn't say He is referring to the Return. Believing that a 'rapture' is next is NOT the only conclusion to His warning.
What Jesus was warning us about is the next prophesied event - namely the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, followed later by the Great Tribulation. We will know to the day, when Jesus will Return, it will happen exactly 1260 days after the Anti-Christ sits in the Temple. No need to warn us about that!
The next event is proved by Jesus quote of Isaiah 61:1-2a, where He carefully stopped before: and the Day of vengeance of God. And the 100 + other prophesies describing this Day, that will come unexpectedly and when He won't be seen. Psalms 11:4-6

I know what a difficult thing it would be for you to renounce the rapture. Your family and friends would think you had gone crazy!
But think of how much the Lord will honor you for overcoming false teachings! For believing the real truth of His Word and being ready to stand firm in your faith during what must come.

 

[Riberra]

I know what a difficult thing it would be for you to renounce the rapture. Your family and friends would think you had gone crazy!
But think of how much the Lord will honor you for overcoming false teachings! For believing the real truth of His Word and being ready to stand firm in your faith during what must come.

How can it be possible for someone whose job was to get people at his church by telling them what they wanted to hear ie 'you are special people you will not be there during the tribulation'] ...to admit even if it is demonstrated by Scriptures that all that story about a so called rapture to Heaven before troubles time [the great tribulation] will only lead people to turn against God (apostasy)when they will get caught in troubles time and finally realize that what their pastor promised them will never happen.

Their pre-tribulation rapture fable will hold until the real stuff begin..

 

[Riberra]

What we are told to watch for now, is not Jesus' Return in glory; Matthew 24:42-44 doesn't say He is referring to the Return.

It is referring to the coming of Jesus as a thief [which is the Day of His Coming]...Revelation 16:15-17 tell us about the 'season' [Matthew 24:33]...

The THINGS that we are commanded to WATCH:
Matthew 24:33
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall SEE ALL these THINGS, know that it is near, even at the doors.

 

[keras]

A lot of Christian people believe that there will be a "pre-tribulation rapture”, that is: they believe that before the beast of Revelation takes over, makes war on the saints, and demands his mark on each person's body, all Christians will be "raptured". The word rapture and the idea of a removal of living people to heaven is not in the Bible.

The Bible does not teach a pre-tribulation rapture. It teaches tribulation. Because these people believe that they will not be here for the tribulation, they are not spiritually or physically preparing themselves, or their children, for what is to come.
They cannot see what is happening before their very eyes. They are so locked into deception that they cannot see nor hear. Not only are they deceived, they condemn anyone who does not believe in a pretribulation rapture.

The nature of deception is that you really believe what is false and that you disbelieve what is true. The only way that someone can come out of deception is if they really love the truth. If someone truly loves the scriptures, he will change his beliefs to conform to the scriptures when he sees that he is wrong. Unfortunately, most people feel that they have too much to lose by changing their false belief system. What if a dispensationalist preacher accepted the truth that he has been preaching a lie? Do you think his preacher friends will congratulate him for leaving deception? Do you think his dispensationalist congregation will be happy with him? There is a good chance that he will lose his place and position. Because many love the praise of men more than the praise of God, they will stay in deception rather lose their position or standing in their community. They cannot even afford to think that their beliefs may be wrong. You have to really love the truth to run this race.

Dispensationalism and the rapture is a heresy taught all across the face of the earth in "Bible" colleges and seminaries. It is preached and taught from pulpits, in books, and videos. If you go to a dispensationalist church, the people may hand you an armload of books to read about dispensationalist doctrines. They will invite you to sit through their biased Bible studies and maybe have you watch dispensationalist teachers on videos or in conferences. They will use all kinds of sophistry in their sermons. They will take scriptures out of context and make them infer a meaning that simply isn’t there. They will say that you are not a "Bible-believer" if you refuse to believe in dispensationalism. They will also tell you that you have to, "rightly divide the word of truth" as if the scriptures will lead you to dispensationalist conclusions. Then they may send more books home with you to read. If you remain unconvinced, they may berate you, and maybe even call you a heretic and will consign you to the hell that is to come onto the earth.

All this is really sad, because the truth of God’s Plans for His people, are for their wellbeing and He is ready to pour out His blessings upon every Christian who stands firm in their faith during the testing time to come.

 

[Yahu_]

I would like someone to please show me where a rapture is mentioned in Revelation since the only thing I see mentioned in Revelation are resurrections.

Where does it say there's a rapture if the 2nd advent, as described in the Olivet discourse, is the 2nd resurrection, where that generation, and those standing there at the time of the Olivet discourse, taste death after witnessing Christ coming into his kingdom, which is the New Yah-ru-Shalem?

If the Olivet discourse advent which is the gathering of the elect and the so-called 2nd return of Christ is the 2nd resurrection, when Christ supposedly returns to earth, how does anyone justify a rapture at the "1st resurrection" if there's no advent, no return of Christ to earth until the 2nd resurrection?

Food for thought

A falling away has definitely begun.

1st off, 'rapture' is a concept of scripture not a word used by scripture. So no where is the word rapture used in Revelation just as you won't find a concept like Calvinism in scripture.

Now John gets 'caught up' during the events before the 'things hereafter', at the start of chapter 4. At that time, the elders about the throne are already there and they are humans that have already gained their rewards, crowns, robes and such and declare Yeshua as their redeemer. That means they are not angels but members of the church already in heaven for the start of the events. They have already stood before the judgement seat of Christ where they gained those rewards and positions of authority.

For those elders to be present just as John is present, they had to have been through the rapture before/during the event that 'caught up' John. So we are not told when the rapture takes place but it is demonstrated by events.

 

[Yahu_]

A lot of Christian people believe that there will be a "pre-tribulation rapture”, that is: they believe that before the beast of Revelation takes over, makes war on the saints, and demands his mark on each person's body, all Christians will be "raptured". The word rapture and the idea of a removal of living people to heaven is not in the Bible.

The word rapture is a concept just as Calvinism is a concept. They are names given to those concepts so of course they are not in scripture using the word we use to name that concept. Just because the word isn't in scripture is irrelevant.

Yes the removal of living people to heaven is in the bible. Yeshua was the 1st fruits of the resurrection and He was caught up to heaven. He was 1st resurrected into a glorified body before He was caught up. That is the 1st rapture. That is the type and shadow of the later event of the rapture of the church. There are more then one raptures.

Each rapture is the fulfillment of one of the harvest feasts of Israel. Yeshua was raised during the '1st fruits'. The barley harvest is the OT saints harvest while the church is equated to the wheat harvest while those saved during the tribulation are the 'fruit and wine' harvest.

 

[keras]

For those elders to be present just as John is present, they had to have been through the rapture before/during the event that 'caught up' John. So we are not told when the rapture takes place but it is demonstrated by events.

So the rapture happened before John wrote Revelation? What are you waiting for then? The truth of God's plans for us is plainly written, no need for inferences and supposition.
Nowhere in the Bible can the idea of a rapture removal of humans to heaven be found. Even the dead saints who were raised at Jesus' death, Matthew 27:50-53, only went into Jerusalem, not to heaven.
The 24 elders of Revelation 4:4, seem to be the leaders of the thousands who serve God in heaven, Daniel 7:10

The idea of multiple raptures, equated to the harvest feasts, is totally without foundation and merely wishful thinking.

 

[Yahu_]

The Bible does not teach a pre-tribulation rapture. It teaches tribulation. Because these people believe that they will not be here for the tribulation, they are not spiritually or physically preparing themselves, or their children, for what is to come.
They cannot see what is happening before their very eyes. They are so locked into deception that they cannot see nor hear. Not only are they deceived, they condemn anyone who does not believe in a pretribulation rapture.

That is actually pretty funny since it appears you are the one being judgmental of others claiming they are deceived, blind, deaf and not spiritual or physically prepared. I suggest you deal with that beam in your own eye before pointing your finger at others.

Rev 2&3 give a maturity scale with a list of 7 errors to overcome and the 7 rewards for the overcomers. You may want to look at the bottom of the scale so you can at least overcome that problem.

A study of the prophetic events of Revelation is 'strong meat'.

Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

You best stick to milk. Prophecy is to be tested by other prophets. Don't expect babes to understand it.

 

[Yahu_]

So the rapture happened before John wrote Revelation? What are you waiting for then?

No the rapture of the church has not happened. John had his spirit not only caught up to heaven but to a future time as well when he witnessed the events of that future.

 

[Yahu_]

There are plenty of instances in the new testament of Jesus casting out unclean spirits. Demon is just a generic name. The unclean spirits are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim.

There were giants and mighty men post flood as well and we have 4 more angels that are bound at the Euphrates, not in Tartarus with the others that sinned pre-flood. There can be those of nephilim lineage even today. Lets not forget the parable of the wheat and tares. The tares are still in the field until the final harvest.

 

[Yahu_]

The phrase...."Sons of God" in depends entirely on LOCATION. When seen seen used in Job it refers to the angels because it is a heavenly scene.

In Genesis 6 they are Humans as the location is the earth. Many really good people try to expound on the idea that fallen angels/demons had sex with humans producing an offspring of a kind of hybrid being.

However, I for I cannot accept that view, for many reason first of which is that if these were good angels, they would not commit this sin, and evil angels could never be designated as "sons of God."

As you said, NEVER discount the Word of God.

Also, the offspring here were men; they were not monstrosities. I do not know why it is assumed by so many that the offspring were giants.

Actually every where the term 'ben Elohyim' is used is a reference to angelic beings regardless of the location.

Yes it was angels that had sex with human women that created the giants and mighty men both pre-flood and post flood. Those events post-flood is where the pagan gods came from. That is my area of specialization, the ancient paganism that battled against Israel and was opposed by the prophets all over the OT.

There are many references in scripture that support that. Many of those references get missed by most readers. It takes serious study to understand those references. For example, the pre-flood angels that sinned were called Watchers. Watchers are referenced several places. One that most people miss is in the story of Balaam and the donkey. Balak takes Balaam to 3 different high places dedicated to 3 different members of the Baalim (plural of Baal, the entire pantheon) to try to get him to curse Israel. One of those places was the 'field of Zophim' on Mt Pisgah. Pisgah is a reference to a sex act with the goddess Asherah, ie 'mother earth'. Field is a Hebrew idiom for womb, the place the seed is sown and Zophim is the Hebrew word for Watchers. The location of that sacrifice was at the 'womb of the Watchers' of the goddess Asherah, the mother of Molech and Ashtoreth as well as grandmother of Baal. Molech, Ashtoreth and Baal were post flood nephilim born of Asherah by a post-flood Watcher. My understanding is that Watcher is one of the four angels bound at the Euphrates that gets let out in Revelation and was bound at Babel, the source of post-flood rebellion and source of the ancient paganism.

Another source of great knowledge about the actions of the pagan gods is in name meanings of cities and places in the land of Canaan. Doing a word study of the places mentioned in the book of Joshua is a good place to start. There are many references to the 'gods' having children. One city name references the 'children of lightning(one of the gods)'. Another references the 'god who scatters his seed', a reference to them having children. Even the OT Cockatrice has the 'fiery flying serpent' as his fruit/child/offspring.

All the paganism of the ancient biblical peoples followed the same group of gods but they followed them under different names/titles in different languages that got split at Babel. For example the Canaanite goddess Anath was the Egyptian goddess Neith was the Greek goddess Athena. Asthoreth of scripture was Astarte, Aphrodite of the Greeks, Diana Luciferah of the Romans... Nebo of the Babylonians was Thoth of the Egyptians was Hermes of the Greeks...

Lucifer is just a latin epithet of an ancient pagan sun god meaning 'shining one' basically equivalent to Pheobus in the Greek, an epithet of Apollo, ie Apollyon of Revelation, king of the pit. Even Baalzebub, 'lord of the flies', is a reference to the plague bringer by insect plague while Apollo means 'destroyer' and he was a destroyer by insect/rodent plague and even Molech is a reference to the same deity in the Canaanite pantheon. Lucifer isn't 'ben Elohyim' but 'ben Shachar' and Shachar was a Canaanite deity called 'Morning' who was Hadad, 'the thunderer' to the Syrians and Zeus to the Greeks.

The ancient cuneiform is full of references to the angels that lived with man pre-flood and reference the four Apkallus that lived among men post flood, the four divine rivers that watered Eden. The same sources also call Hadad (the thunderer) and Shemesh (sun god) the ajudicators, ie Satans while we have one Satan cast down 'as lightning', ie Hadad the god of lightning and thunder replaced by his son, the sun god.

Lucifer himself, the current Satan is just a half-breed Nephilim ghost not some mighty angel that rebelled. He thinks he is a god but he is in actuality only a man and a dead one at that.