Where gravity and forces come from..!

[Cabal]

Jesus is God -- Gautama was not.

Jesus did not commit any crime -- Gautama would have been arrested over here.

Jesus had no biological children -- Gautama was what we call a 'deadbeat dad'.

I'm sure you see the differences.

Making a great case for "It's ok when Christians do it" here, AV.

 

[ug333]

Wow, this is derailed! As I posted before, science isn't judged by what it doesn't know, but by how much more we know now.

Eventually, I am guessing we will be able to describe the early universe where all of the fundamental forces were unified, but that will simply beg more questions.

I'm sure this will fall dead and the thread will continue into oblivion, but it is worth a shot!

 

[Nathan Poe]

Jesus is God -- Gautama was not.

Prove it.

Jesus did not commit any crime -- Gautama would have been arrested over here.

Jesus was arrested over there.

Jesus had no biological children -- Gautama was what we call a 'deadbeat dad'.

Jesus has some pretty good spin doctors.

I'm sure you see the differences.

I'm sure you don't.

 

[AV1611VET]

Prove it.

971

 

[Nathan Poe]

971

So you can't. Good to know.

Can you provide some compelling extrabiblical evidence?

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you provide some compelling extrabiblical evidence?

That's the $64,000.00 word; isn't it, Nathan?

 

[Nathan Poe]

That's the $64,000.00 word; isn't it, Nathan?

Apparantly, the answer is "waffle."

 

[dad]

Some fathers are abusive drunks. Some are not. And I have met people who detested both parents.
What I am saying is that I have observed in my life that many of "God's children" are abused, starved, debauched and corrupted, and the supposedly omiscient, omnipotent and benevolent daddy does not protect or provide for them.
My relationships with my own parents are moot, inasmuch as they are both long dead.

OK, so men are not perfect, and God allows free will of man to go on for now. Not sure how that makes Him less than our Father.

Would you like Him to come back real soon to take over this earth, and rule it with believers forever, so that sort of thing can't go on any more? Maybe you are on the right track.

 

[dad]

Well, there's that moment where Jesus rejects his family in front of an entire crowd.

But I'm sure you forgot all about that while trying to bash Buddhism.

Funny, it seems to me like He never forsook His mom. His dying wish was for John to take care of her. How bad is that?

 

[dad]

Life on earth started asexual, then evolved to create sexual reproduction. Humans and other complex species have always reproduced sexually.

In your dreams.

Evidence? Several species exist that reproduce both sexually and asexually. They also exist in the genetic tree where evolution would expect them to exist.

That is not evidence of anything about the evo fables. That is evidence that a minority of created creatures had the God given ability to adapt, and survive.

So the first thing with the capacity for sexual reproduction didn't reproduce sexually, but asexually. Only later would sexual reproduction have begun.

False. The first thing was man, and beasts, and fish, and creeping things and birds. They all started the same week. The only place it is first is in the imagination of men. All rungs of the ladder that get to the imaginary 'first thing' are faith based. You assume modern slow evolution rates, and processes, for example. That cannot be evidenced.

 

[dad]

Even though God set it up, does that mean it can't have a definable mechanism? Who says he didn't set it up with gravitons?

Well, if He did, we might find out one day. When that day comes, you can talk. Meanwhile, you may want to consider that there was more involved in creation week than physics.

 

[dad]

Remind me how many of the apostles left their families to follow Jesus?

Remind me of how many people found God's family because apostles didn't put their family above God? Besides, let's face it, did they really go far? Israel isn't that big a place! Just because they didn't follow everything their family might have expected of them any more doesn't mean they didn't see them, and party...etc!? Be reasonable.

 

[Delphiki]

In your dreams.

Now THERE's a compelling argument!

That is not evidence of anything about the evo fables.....

.... ability to adapt, and survive.

Despite adaptation and survival playing a key role in the process of evolution?

 

[dad]

Wow, this is derailed! As I posted before, science isn't judged by what it doesn't know, but by how much more we know now.

Not too hard to get back on track.

Science is judged by all it's lying godless Satanic alter creation claims with no basis.

Eventually, I am guessing we will be able to describe the early universe where all of the fundamental forces were unified, but that will simply beg more questions.

Nonsense. Absolute dreaming.

I'm sure this will fall dead and the thread will continue into oblivion, but it is worth a shot!

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. This indicates that it is God that holds things together, and by which the fundamental forces exist!

 

[dad]

Now THERE's a compelling argument!

Despite adaptation and survival playing a key role in the process of evolution?

Yes, of course despite slow present evolution being dog eat dog. That is a result of sin, not evolution. The issue is not survival alone, but the laws in place for what survived!

 

[Delphiki]

False. The first thing was man, and beasts, and fish, and creeping things and birds. They all started the same week. The only place it is first is in the imagination of men. All rungs of the ladder that get to the imaginary 'first thing' are faith based. You assume modern slow evolution rates, and processes, for example. That cannot be evidenced.

Have any evidence for this or just more bible?

Most living things that reproduce are microscopic. Does that mean you conclude that there are absolutely no microscopic organisms as there is no mention of their creation in the bible?

Also, keep in mind, Genesis 1 has light, night and day, and plants all existing before there is even a sun. The sky merely seperates two a body of water above from the oceans, and stars are merely tiny lights he placed on the vault of the sky do we know it's night time.

 

[ug333]

Nonsense. Absolute dreaming.

Why would you possibly think that it is nonsense? There have been hundreds of claims throughout the years that man would never understand X because it is the realm of God. And once we did understand it, the new questions created became the realm of God.

Now you say the fundamental forces are from God, but there was a time when those forces had not been identified and their effects were seen as acts of God.

Beware the God of the gaps.

 

[ug333]

That is not evidence of anything about the evo fables. That is evidence that a minority of created creatures had the God given ability to adapt, and survive.

It also shows that sexual reproduction is not an all or nothing proposition for a species. So sexual reproduction is not (to use a intelligent design term) "irreducibly complex". As such, there is no reason to point to sexuality as proof that evolution didn't occur.

 

[Split Rock]

Yes, of course despite slow present evolution being dog eat dog. That is a result of sin, not evolution. The issue is not survival alone, but the laws in place for what survived!

So, current evolution is not evolution, but the result of sin. Thus we can conclude according to dadology:

1. A does not equal A
2. Sin causes evolution.

Thanks for clearing that up, dad. You are a genius!

 

[Cabal]

Why would you possibly think that it is nonsense? There have been hundreds of claims throughout the years that man would never understand X because it is the realm of God. And once we did understand it, the new questions created became the realm of God.

Now you say the fundamental forces are from God, but there was a time when those forces had not been identified and their effects were seen as acts of God.

Beware the God of the gaps.

You raise good points, but you can't beat dad's "I can say nuh-uh, therefore you're wrong" dad-hoc.