Where Did Humans Come From?

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It was because of Jesus’ message in Matthew 16:18 that the church held the See of Rome in highest honor amongst all other bishops of the Pentarchy. Jesus gave him the position and the church honored it, that is until Leo IX brought dishonor to the position and was excommunicated in 1054AD. Most Protestants either reject this fact or are ignorant to it and don’t take it into consideration when contemplating the message in Matthew 16:18. The evidence is irrefutable that the early church held this position since the very first century of Christianity. So this was not something that took place in the later centuries but was held right from the beginning which gives weight to the interpretation I provided. When contemplating interpretation of scripture it’s imperative that we consider the earliest teachings of the church on such matters.

It is about scripture and what Jesus taught .... not about some "church" tradition(s). The earliest teachings are through His written word.

Peter was not given any special authority over the other apostles
 
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It's a parable for us receiving a living soul. Which is not physical at all.
God started His breathing process.

It reminds me of the old practice of swatting a newborn behind.
Slapping or spanking of babies that was done in the old days was
done not only to clear the air ways but also to stimulate a baby
to cry [to take first breath].

Life After Death?

5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing,
neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

4His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

17The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

The soul is physical and can die. You must be confused also with
"The Spirit in Man", spirit essence that makes man smarter then mere animals.

Man is mortal, corruptible flesh—organic matter with a temporary life.
He does not have eternal life inherent within himself.

He does not have an “immortal soul”! He is a physical, fleshly creature
destined to die, turn to dust and remain that way except for the intervention
of the Almighty: except for the resurrection from the dead!

The doctrine of the immortality of the soul, according to the Jewish encyclopedia, came from
pre-Christian Greek philosophers who acquired it from pagan Egypt and Babylon, not the bible.
 
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It's not about a specific organized "church" entity .... it's about Jesus .... Christ alone.

It's not about peter, the church, Mary or the pope(s). It's about Jesus and always has been.

John 5:39

New King James Version
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me

Christ alone.

I never said anything to the contrary. I was merely presenting the evidence that Rome held a higher position of honor than the rest of the churches based on Peter’s succession.
 
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It is about scripture and what Jesus taught .... not about some "church" tradition(s). The earliest teachings are through His written word.

Peter was not given any special authority over the other apostles

You say this while ignoring the evidence that refutes your position. You have no evidence to support your position and I have the early church writings to support mine.
 
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I never said anything to the contrary. I was merely presenting the evidence that Rome held a higher position of honor than the rest of the churches based on Peter’s succession.

We are to honor God/Jesus and Him alone ... not some human being or a religious/political construct.

John 5:23

That all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

Christ alone.
 
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We are to honor God/Jesus and Him alone ... not some human being or a religious/political construct.

John 5:23

That all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

Christ alone.

Wrong, just because we are all called to honor God doesn’t mean we can’t also honor others who serve Him. Nowhere does that passage say to honor God alone. What was the 5th commandment?
 
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Wrong, just because we are all called to honor God doesn’t mean we can’t also honor others who serve Him. Nowhere does that passage say to honor God alone. What was the 5th commandment?

Sure, if they are in Christ ..... but it is Christ first.
 
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The Holy Spirit is God. Thought you knew.
That is not what that verse says.

20knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
is of any private interpretation.

21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

No prophecy of scriptures has any private interpretation.
Prophecy given by holy men of God were moved by the Holy Spirit
to write what was given them to write in the holy scriptures.
 
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The Holy Spirit is God. Thought you knew.

That is not what that verse says.
It's just a fact. If you interpret the verse to mean that the Holy Spirit is not God, then you are badly mistaken.
 
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The Holy Spirit is God. Thought you knew.


It's just a fact. If you interpret the verse to mean that the Holy Spirit is not God, then you are badly mistaken.
The subject in those verses has nothing to do with the question
of the Holy Spirit being God or not.

You insert something not even mentioned in the verse.
You can write it this way if you want.

No prophecy of scriptures has any private interpretation.
Prophecy given by holy men of God were moved by [God]
to write what was given them to write in the holy scriptures.
 
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I was curious as to how divided posters are on this topic. As a former Catholic, now Lutheran, (who is still unsure if I’m in the right church) I learned from the writings and some communication via email with Edward Feser, that humans may have started as part of a population of hominids but that God gave Adam and Eve souls, making them human. Then their offspring interbred with these other hominids and so on. I’m probably oversimplifying Feser’s theory and it’s been a long time since I’d read it, but what are your thoughts on this idea?
Or do you believe we came from Adam and Eve, whose children interbred with one another and so on?
Other theories?

God created human beings from the dust of the Earth.

I always had trouble with the concept of everyone coming from 2 humans.

Before I became Christian I watched a scientific documentary where the theory was sound is what actually creates form... I've thought about that recently because the bible says

Hebrews 1:1-4

1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.

I find the scientific viewpoint intriguing, but I would rather focus on truth rather than human theory.... sure, the bible can be limited in some areas but maybe we aren't meant to know everything just yet, the mysteries belong to HIM.

We are to seek the Kingdom above all else.

Here is an article comparing scripture with what science has "discovered".

 
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In your interpretation.
Here is Matthew Henry's Commentary on 2 Peter 1:20-21

" The Holy Ghost inspired holy men to speak and write...."
He so assisted and directed them in delivering what they had received from him, that they
clearly expressed what they made known. So that the Scriptures are to be accounted the words
of the Holy Ghost, and all the plainness and simplicity, all the power and all the propriety of
the words and expressions, come from God.

I provided a bible commentary with my view, since we disagree.
Can you produce a commentary with your view of 2 Peter 1:20-21?
that says it is a parable that needs interpretation, and means
only that the Holy Spirit is God?

My guess you cannot find any with your view.
 
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So you're relying on man's interpretation. O.K.
Are you a man? Do you believe science from men?

I knew you could not show anything related to your view.
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How do we know the Bible is the sure word of God we can rely on?
 
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