Where Did Humans Come From?

[The Barbarian]

In other words no one has your interpretation or view to show us on 2 Peter 1:20-21 .

Even some Protestants acknowledge the fact. I've discussed this a number of times, with Matt Slick of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Used to talk a lot as friends. He's not fond of Catholic theology, but...

Peter was speaking of the prophetic word that was “made sure” (verse 19) which is, most probably, the prophetic revelation of the Old Testament Scriptures. It’s in that context that he says “no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation.” The context is dealing with the “power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,” (v. 16) which was then known to them. To who? Either to the Old Testament saints or those to whom Peter is writing. I believe that it is referring to prophecy (forth-telling) is confirmed by Peter’s earlier epistle.

“As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow,” (1 Peter 1:10-11).

This makes sense, especially when considering what Peter says next in 2 Peter 1:21.

“for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”

Certainly, people can interpret Scripture of their own will. It’s not difficult. But prophecy, the predicting of future events, is not done by a person’s own will. Instead, it’s done by the work of the Holy Spirit.

Does 2 Peter 1:20 mean we can't interpret scripture on our own?

2 Peter 1:20 speaks of the prophecy of Scripture, not the whole of Scripture. Prophecy is something that occurs within Scripture

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This is why I was puzzled about your thoughts on the Holy Spirit.

 

[The Barbarian]

Some reason you are trying to get me banned I think, because I do not agree with your view of 2 Peter 1.

I have no idea how one might even go about getting you banned here. And I'm perfectly happy with you being here. I don't take personal offense when someone disagrees with me.

 

[GenemZ]

Ok, so did this generic man evolve or was he created fully adult by God?

Why does evolution have to get glorified so much these days?

God created different worlds for different prehistoric periods.
Those created worlds were designed for the education of angels concerning themselves and to be learning about their Creator.
The humanoid man most likely represented the highest form of animal life.

Later.. when God created our current world? The animals we now have did not evolve from Adam, nor visa versa.

Yet, evolution by God's design takes place as a sign of God's foreknowledge, providing in the DNA for what is needed before the needs are made known.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Certainly, people can interpret Scripture of their own will.
It’s not difficult. But prophecy, the predicting of future
events, is not done by a person’s own will. Instead,
it’s done by the work of the Holy Spirit.
I was puzzled about your thoughts on the Holy Spirit.

That sounds about what I wrote.

"No prophecy of scriptures has any private interpretation.

Prophecy given by holy men of God were moved by the Holy Spirit
to write what was given them to write in the holy scriptures."

I noticed what it does not say in your link, is that in 2 Peter 1:20-21 it means
"The Holy Spirit is God", was not even mentioned in commentary's given.

 

[The Barbarian]

I noticed what it does not say in your link, is that in 2 Peter 1:20-21 it means
"The Holy Spirit is God", was not even mentioned in commentary's given.

Well, it's from a Catholic website, so it's just assumed that the Holy Spirit is God.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Well, it's from a Catholic website, so it's just assumed that the Holy Spirit is God.

You should have said that from the get go about 2 Peter 1:21, because that question is not
discussed there [liked I said]. Would have saved me from typing too much and arguing.

P.S.
We can go over Matthew 16:18 about Peter "Petros", meaning a stone,
and the differance in “and upon this rock” (Greek inspired original
word, petra, meaning a ledge or shelf of rock or a crag).

We can go to the correct forum for this if you want.
We have wasted to much off topic in this thread already.

P.S.
Sorry to the Original poster for sidetracking this thread.

 

[kiwimac]

What does the bible say?

Does it not say that man was from the begining of creation, that is, man has always been man.

The bible is not a science text, it does not treat the how of things but the why. This misconception that the Bible must contain all knowledge is a modern heresy.

 

[kiwimac]

Yes you are of course correct.

Jesus never lived, never died on a cross and of course did not atone for our sins, sorry sin is not real.

Which leaves one with nothing, nilhism the abcense of any hope or reason for living.

Show me you do not understand what has been written without saying so directly.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

What does the bible say?

Does it not say that man was from the begining of creation, that is, man has always been man.

lol ikr? I'm always amazed at how people can overcomplicate what is already stated clearly in the bible.

 

[FaithT]

You should have said that from the get go about 2 Peter 1:21, because that question is not
discussed there [liked I said]. Would have saved me from typing too much and arguing.

P.S.
We can go over Matthew 16:18 about Peter "Petros", meaning a stone,
and the differance in “and upon this rock” (Greek inspired original
word, petra, meaning a ledge or shelf of rock or a crag).

We can go to the correct forum for this if you want.
We have wasted to much off topic in this thread already.

P.S.
Sorry to the Original poster for sidetracking this thread.

It’s ok

 

[The Barbarian]

We can go over Matthew 16:18 about Peter "Petros", meaning a stone,
and the differance in “and upon this rock” (Greek inspired original
word, petra, meaning a ledge or shelf of rock or a crag).

Jesus wasn't speaking in Latin or Greek, but in Aramaic. The word is "kepha" (cephas).

 

[The Barbarian]

Yet, evolution by God's design takes place as a sign of God's foreknowledge, providing in the DNA for what is needed before the needs are made known.

IDers refer to this concept as "front-loading", wherein God created life with all the capabilities to change and adapt over time. DNA is remarkably good at this, in response to selective pressures.

 

[The Barbarian]

The bible is not a science text, it does not treat the how of things but the why. This misconception that the Bible must contain all knowledge is a modern heresy.

Today's winner. However, I think we should remember that very few creationists would make the argument that the Bible must contain all knowledge. Obviously, such a claim is demonstrably false.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Jesus wasn't speaking in Latin or Greek, but in Aramaic. The word is "kepha" (cephas).

The New Testament was written in a form of Koine Greek
In Matthew 16:18, for Peter the word is "Petros" a stone.

 

[The Barbarian]

Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas,
which is by interpretation, a stone”

A stone, not a rock.

Strong's Concordance
Képhas: "a rock," Cephas, a name given to the apostle Peter
Original Word: Κηφᾶς, ᾶ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Képhas
Phonetic Spelling: (kay-fas')
Definition: "a rock", Cephas, a name given to the apostle Peter
Usage: Cephas (Aramaic for rock), the new name given to Simon Peter, the apostle.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Strong's Concordance
Képhas: "a rock," Cephas, a name given to the apostle Peter
Original Word: Κηφᾶς, ᾶ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Képhas
Phonetic Spelling: (kay-fas')
Definition: "a rock", Cephas, a name given to the apostle Peter
Usage: Cephas (Aramaic for rock), the new name given to Simon Peter, the apostle.

In Matthew 16:18, for Peter the word is "Petros" a stone.

Yes Peter was also called Cephas (Greek Képhas, from the Aramaic Kêpha).
In John 1:40-42 is related how Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, found
Peter, and brought him to Jesus. “And when Jesus beheld him, he said,

Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas,
which is by interpretation, a stone”

John wrote his gospel in Greek, so he included the note for his readers
that "Cephas" meant "a stone." A stone, not a rock.

When Jesus said “upon this rock I will build my church” (Matthew 16:18),
the Greek word, as written originally by Matthew, was not either Kephas
or petros, but petra, which means a large massive rock.

A few other passages where this same word petra is used.
In Matthew 7:24, Jesus spoke of the man who built his house on a rock.

In Matthew 27:60, it is stated that the tomb in which Jesus
was buried, after the crucifixion, was hewn out in the rock —
in the petra! This is a mass of rock, not a single stone.

The Greek petra cannot mean the human Peter, but the, glorified Christ.

Speaking of the Israelites under Moses, in the wilderness, Paul writes:
“… for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that
Rock was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:4).

Behold, I lay in Sion [the Church] a chief corner stone, elect, precious:
and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore
which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone
which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble
at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed” (1 Peter 2:6-8).

In the above passage Peter is speaking to the Church.
He quoted from Isaiah 28:16: “Therefore thus saith the Lord
God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation, a stone, a tried
stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation”!

This pictures Christ as that foundation of the Church, on which it
is built. God’s Church was built on the ROCK (its foundation),
Christ—not on the stone, Peter

Jesus Christ himself being "the chief corner stone.”
“For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid,
which is Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 3:11)

“I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee” (Hebrews 13:5) He is shown in
Rev 1:13, 18 to be the living Head, spiritually in the midst of the Church.

“Christ is the head of the church”! (Ephesians 5:23). Read it
also in Ephesians 4:15; 1:22; Colossians 1:18; 2:19.

 

[The Barbarian]

When Jesus said “upon this rock I will build my church” (Matthew 16:18),
the Greek word, as written originally by Matthew, was not either Kephas
or petros, but petra, which means a large massive rock.

Well, one does want to build a structure on a large, solid base. Hence Jesus' word Kephas, meaning that.

This pictures Christ as that foundation of the Church, on which it
is built. God’s Church was built on the ROCK (its foundation),
Christ—not on the stone, Peter

Well, let's see what He actually said...

Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

So He chose the rock upon which He would build His Church. Then he goes on:

Matthew 16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Hard to deny what Jesus has laid on Peter. The keys to the kingdom of heaven. And the authority fo loose or bind what he must on Earth and in Heaven.

 

[kiwimac]

The Bible is straight and clear as The Lord has always been. History of mankind only extends back to 14 thousand years.
Past that point there are few and fewer remains of human history. We can take the nations and civilizations generally:
Artifacts and structures become weathered, the human remains are sparse to non existing. They drop off the map.
The Heavenly Father has already declared In Genesis 1, that people were created 14 thousand to 20 thousand years ago. If you wanted to stretch it based on the archeological evidences.
But only 6 thousand from Adam, given that relates strictly to Israel's history. Going into the past beyond 20 years, all that remains are prehistoric animal remains. And what has thus far been presented, are only animal remains passed off as "
pre-human". However given the facts just stated, these are always remains of prehistoric ape genera created by God millions of years ago [ Genesis 1:1 being a complete declaration which stands alone]. Their destruction was given in verse 2, if you understand Hebrew. Not the human remains God created later in the "days" verses. This is a fact.

This is why evolution is not true. Because it simply does not exist. Why its a theory is because there is no actual proof of it.
And even Gods nature declares this, in the archology the history of all that remains.
God over and over declares that creating mankind, and for this second age of test and salvation being the purpose, was His doing and His alone. He spoke and nothing became everything. He will speak again, and those who remain evil, will become nothing.

Twaddle