Where Arminianism Fails.

[yeshuaslavejeff]

More fundamentally, this makes God and His plan of salvation dependent on man.

No it doesn't.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I've been trying to get an Arminian to address the issue why one would choose to believe an another not choose to believe.
What is their decision based upon?

Faith is a gift from the Father Doing As He Pleases.

He can save an "A" today, and a "C" tomorrow if He wants to, eh?

Or neither? Jesus said or asked if He would find faith on earth when He Returns, right?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Arminian concept of prevenient grace seems to contradict scripture.

The Father in heaven be Praised for revealing Salvation to little children who don't even ever hear that phrase and who don't have any idea what it means !
HALLELUYAH!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

First, there is no decision that leads to salvation.

Choose TODAY who you will serve.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord Jesus !

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Another failure is that Arminianism denies God's love.

This looks like a big bias, and an error, and an unfounded assumption -
it certainly does not fit the early question posted:

Have you ever met a Calvinist who was a warm and loving guy?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

COOL!
JESUS' SHABBAT SHALOM to you and your household TODAY! =====================================
QUOTE="rockytopva, post: 74529539, member: 279443"]I spent my first year at college with the Freewill Baptist. Their communion services were accompanied with foot washing and you would leave such a place with a wonderful clean feeling. The people would also invite me to spend the day with their family and buy me dinner on occasion. After a year of that, along with teaching Sunday school, with my plans on moving out of state, they threw a going away party for me. Along with the party they presented me with a KJV Open Bible signed by all the members which I have kept to this good day.

It was decades later that I learned that they called themselves Arminian, and I had to study the argument to understand what that meant. My plans are to live out my life Arminian and to do what I can to avoid the evil of Calvinism. I have a web site promoting such teachings that is now at 2,173,226 views, https://www.youtube.com/user/rockytopva/about. In all the teachings of that site I have not the first reference to John Calvin.[/QUOTE

 

[Strong in Him]

The basic claim Arminians make is "You must choose to believe in order to be saved".

I don't know much about Arminianism as such, but I am a Methodist and we believe that God loves everyone and everyone can come to him.

But you must already believe [have the Holy Spirit] or you would not choose to believe.

Genesis 2:7 says that God breathed into Adam and he became a living being, and we are all made by God in his image. Everyone has therefore been created by God and has his breath in them. It doesn't mean all unbelievers are born again, or children of God, but there is something of him in everyone. And we all have the choice to say "yes" to Jesus and accept what he said about himself - even if belief and understanding come later.

 

[Strong in Him]

Another failure is that Arminianism denies God's love.

How does believing that Christ died for sinners, Romans 5:8 and that all can be saved deny God's love??

 

[martymonster]

The basic claim Arminians make is "You must choose to believe in order to be saved". But you must already believe [have the Holy Spirit] or you would not choose to believe. And Jesus says whoever believes has eternal life. So choosing to believe is a quasi repentance that leads to true repentance.

Now, I'm not a Calvinist, but this is the thing that Calvinism gets right. For Arminianism to be right, many would be called, but few would choose. There's a big difference between "choose" and "chosen"

 

[Hazelelponi]

Have you ever met a Calvinist who was a warm and loving guy?

Yes, actually - I was Muslim when I met him... and he was the most gentle, warm and kind human being I had ever met in my life, with a strength about him at the same time - and in him for the first time I saw Christ.. I recognized Christ in him before he even mentioned his faith..

It drew me, led me to ask questions and eventually I was saved.

I also then married him, was taken to his family and they took me in and love me as one of their own.

To date, I've never met a Calvinist who wasn't warm and loving and kind, either as a Muslim, or now as a Christian...

They do preach on sin a lot at the church meetings, perhaps you find that bothersome? I don't, it's good to hear the Word of God..

 

[dqhall]

Who knows anything about John Calvin or Jacob Arminius these days? When I was going to the Freewill Baptist church neither Calvin or Arminius was ever mentioned, and it was not until decades later until I figured it out, and it was only because I was curious and had to do independent study. I was brought up GARBC baptist and now am a member Pentecostal Holiness, and in all my years of living I have never heard John Calvin or Jacob Arminius mentioned in a sermon

When I was 22, I was flat broke in a WV coal mining town. I stopped in a Free Will Baptist parking lot on a Saturday night to sleep in my car. I tried to drive out the next morning, but was out of gas. Sunday AM an elderly man from the church greeted me. He found I was in need. He brought a jar of hot coffee and breakfast to me. I went to the church service with my Bible in hand. I was lost in sin, but thought Christianity might be the way to salvation. They took up a collection for me. I had enough gas money to get back to my home in another state. God asked me to send them a check and pay back what they gave me. I did. The church wrote a thank you note and sent my Bible to me. I had left it in their pew. Free will used for God is a joyful thing.

 

[ebedmelech]

Have you ever met a Calvinist who was a warm and loving guy?

Yes. He's in heaven now...R. C. Sproul.

 

[Josheb]

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does.

If God cannot and will not save a person until they first believe then He is dependent upon that person for His want to be fulfilled and the work He may have already done to bear fruit, and a statement of simple denial is not a cogent response for or against anything.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

The basic claim Arminians make is "You must choose to believe in order to be saved". But you must already believe [have the Holy Spirit] or you would not choose to believe. And Jesus says whoever believes has eternal life. So choosing to believe is a quasi repentance that leads to true repentance.

You using Jesus words is a false premise, at least in how you use them. Jesus wasn't saying someone believes because they have eternal life. That's like someone saying, Someone who eats is full. Being full doesn't cause a person to eat.

Jesus was saying if a person chooses to believe, they have at the moment of belief, salvation. And as long as they continue to believe, they will continue to have salvation.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

He Says No, it doesn't.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Jesus was saying if a person chooses to believe, they have at the moment of belief, salvation. And as long as they continue to believe, they will continue to have salvation.

As you know, even the demons believe and shudder in terror at the judgment they know is soon.

"Trust" may convey better - whoever TRUSTS the son has life; whoever TRUSTS NOT the son has not life. Each day.

 

[royal priest]

Have you ever met a Calvinist who was a warm and loving guy?

In my experience, it is not so much one's theological position which makes a person loving. It is rather their application of that position which affects their behavior toward other people.
In fact, I have heard some Arminians that were filled with such fervor and love that they sounded more like a Calvinists in their prayers for the unconverted, "Oh God, please overcome so and so's unbelief!"

 

[Blade]

Hey Dave praise GOD for you.. bless you. Yeah.. I don't like having to look up new words. Yeah allot of these *ism I don't know. AFTER I know the belief just never tied the *ism to them lol. School all over again.. THANKS DAVE! HUGE smile when I say that.

What comes to mind and I really mean about ALL these groups spoken here Philippians 1... >--- "What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice." So I truly feel this way.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Jesus said or asked if He would find faith on earth when He Returns, right?

Can't find it?
Got a verse?
M-Bob

 

[renniks]

The basic claim Arminians make is "You must choose to believe in order to be saved". But you must already believe [have the Holy Spirit] or you would not choose to believe. And Jesus says whoever believes has eternal life. So choosing to believe is a quasi repentance that leads to true repentance.

So you get saved twice?
Calvinism is wacky.
Yes, you have to be convicted by the spirit... but you can reject or follow that conviction.