When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

[Jon Anon]

The Revelation 12 sign happened October 6 2013:

The revelation 12 sign describes the dragon fighting against the woman

October 7/8 2013 is the dracnonid meteor showers...it is called this because meteor showers(fire) comes forth from the dragon constellation draco the dragon.






Another name for Rosh Hashanah(feast of trumpets) is "day of the lord"

Elijah is promised to arrive "BEFORE" the day of the Lord


I still stand that the day of the lord will be the official Feast of trumpets and that day can not come until Elijah arrives first to call the people to Repentance(turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and hearts of fathers to children)which will be what the true month of Elul will be about and we will know it is the true observance of Elul because Elijah will lead the month long call to repentance


The month of Elul is the biggest time for the call of repentance before the celebration of Rosh hashanah(who would lead the biggest time call to repentance other than Elijah?)


There is a time called the month of "ELUL" which is the time that leads up to Rosh hashanah(feast of trumpets). This observance lasts 40 days it starts 30 days before the feast of trumpets and end 10 days after on Yom Kippur

My reasoning was the Revelation 12 sign happened October 6 2013 and being the month of Elul is to last 40 days that the counting should start as soon as the sign appeared October 6 2013 which would end November 14/15 2013

If you understand that the month of Elul(time of repentance) would last 30 days before the feast of trumpets comes which is also called 'the day of the lord' then we know that the day of the lord may be good for those that were truly repentant and possibly a barley harvest would come that day or as some say 'rapture' or ' harpazo ' but to most it will be a day of darkness and the first day of judgement beginning the 10 days(years) of awe(tribualtion) begin.

The 10 days between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur to me represent 10 years..the last 10 years

The month of Elul is to be counted 30 days before Rosh Hashanah and the last 10 days of a call to repentance would end on Yom Kippur bringing the total to 40 days. My reasoning was being the call to repentance should last 40 days just as it did with Jonah/ninevah, that if destruction was coming there would be no time left for the 10 days after Rosh Hashanah(feast of trumpets for a call to repentance so it must come before Rosh Hashanah ends)

But those last 10 days turn into 10 years for the tribulation saints for their time of repentance and turning their hearts toward God with fasting weeping mourning and prayer during the 10 days(years) of awe before the final return of Jesus as the end of the tribulation.

So I still wait on the wall watching to see if Elijah will show up within the next 10 days.......be sure I will let you know if I see anything one way or the other.


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[Bible2]

HannibalFlavius said in post 277:

The calling of gentiles out of the land of Zebulun and Naphtali is gentiles being grafted through the land of the lost ten tribes and Paul, Jesus, Peter, all explain this saying,'' NOT MY PEOPLE BECOME THE SONS OF THE LIVING GOD.''

Regarding "the lost ten tribes", Jews include individuals from all 12 of Israel's tribes. For there are no lost tribes, insofar as the 10 northern tribes weren't entirely lost to history. In 722 BC, the northern kingdom of Israel fell and its individuals were taken into captivity into Assyria (2 Kings 18:11), never to return to the land of Israel. They and their descendants were lost to history. But the 10 northern tribes in themselves weren't lost to history. For some 200 years before the captivity of the northern kingdom, when it had first become idolatrous, some individuals from all 10 of the northern tribes had left the northern kingdom to become part of the southern kingdom of Judah (2 Chronicles 11:16-17), and so by definition they all became Jews. That's why later, the Jews living in the first century AD could be referred to as including all 12 tribes (Acts 26:7, James 1:1), and why at that time Anna could be said to be of the northern tribe of Asher (Luke 2:36), one of the so-called "lost" tribes.

So the people alive today who are descended genetically from a first century AD Jew would include individuals from all 12 tribes. Some of these descendants could know that they're Jews, because their individual ancestors over the last 2,000 years kept their Jewish identity and didn't intermarry with Gentiles. But others of these descendants could know themselves only as Gentiles, because their individual ancestors over the last 2,000 years eventually abandoned their Jewish identity and intermarried freely with Gentiles, to the point where their descendants alive today are almost entirely Gentile genetically. Similarly, regarding the individuals of the northern kingdom of Israel who were lost to history at its captivity, over the past 2,700 years their descendants must have eventually abandoned their Israelite identity and freely intermarried with Gentiles, to the point where their descendants alive today would know themselves only as Gentiles, and would be almost entirely Gentile genetically.

Also, while God knows which people alive today are descended from one of the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel from whom the 12 genetic tribes arose (Genesis 49:28), nonelect Israelites/Jews aren't considered by God to be truly Israel (Romans 9:6-11), or truly Jews (Revelation 2:9b, Revelation 3:9), or God's children, or Abraham's children, but the children of the devil (John 8:39-47), just as all the nonelect, no matter whether they're Jews or Gentiles, are considered by God to be the children of the devil (Matthew 13:38-39).

Some genetic Israelites are believers, and so are members of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6) and Israel at the same time, just as, for example, the genetic Jew Paul (Acts 22:3) is a member of the church and Israel at the same time (Romans 11:1). And some non-believing, genetic Israelites are still considered by God to be Israel insofar as they're elect (Romans 11:25,28). All the elect, non-believing, genetic Israelites who don't become believers before Jesus' 2nd coming will become believers (and so will become members of the church: Ephesians 4:4-6) at the 2nd coming (Romans 11:26), when they see the returned Jesus in person (Zechariah 12:10-14). But even though all elect, genetic Israelites will eventually be saved, they're only a remnant of all genetic Israelites (Romans 9:27), most of whom will never be saved, just as most of humanity in general, both Jews and Gentiles, will never be saved (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14).

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Regarding "the lost ten tribes", Jews include individuals from all 12 of Israel's tribes. For there are no lost tribes, insofar as the 10 northern tribes weren't entirely lost to history. In 722 BC, the northern kingdom of Israel fell and its individuals were taken into captivity into Assyria (2 Kings 18:11), never to return to the land of Israel. They and their descendants were lost to history. But the 10 northern tribes in themselves weren't lost to history. For some 200 years before the captivity of the northern kingdom, when it had first become idolatrous, some individuals from all 10 of the northern tribes had left the northern kingdom to become part of the southern kingdom of Judah (2 Chronicles 11:16-17), and so by definition they all became Jews. That's why later, the Jews living in the first century AD could be referred to as including all 12 tribes (Acts 26:7, James 1:1), and why at that time Anna could be said to be of the northern tribe of Asher (Luke 2:36), one of the so-called "lost" tribes.

So the people alive today who are descended genetically from a first century AD Jew would include individuals from all 12 tribes. Some of these descendants could know that they're Jews, because their individual ancestors over the last 2,000 years kept their Jewish identity and didn't intermarry with Gentiles. But others of these descendants could know themselves only as Gentiles, because their individual ancestors over the last 2,000 years eventually abandoned their Jewish identity and intermarried freely with Gentiles, to the point where their descendants alive today are almost entirely Gentile genetically. Similarly, regarding the individuals of the northern kingdom of Israel who were lost to history at its captivity, over the past 2,700 years their descendants must have eventually abandoned their Israelite identity and freely intermarried with Gentiles, to the point where their descendants alive today would know themselves only as Gentiles, and would be almost entirely Gentile genetically.

Also, while God knows which people alive today are descended from one of the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel from whom the 12 genetic tribes arose (Genesis 49:28), nonelect Israelites/Jews aren't considered by God to be truly Israel (Romans 9:6-11), or truly Jews (Revelation 2:9b, Revelation 3:9), or God's children, or Abraham's children, but the children of the devil (John 8:39-47), just as all the nonelect, no matter whether they're Jews or Gentiles, are considered by God to be the children of the devil (Matthew 13:38-39).

Some genetic Israelites are believers, and so are members of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6) and Israel at the same time, just as, for example, the genetic Jew Paul (Acts 22:3) is a member of the church and Israel at the same time (Romans 11:1). And some non-believing, genetic Israelites are still considered by God to be Israel insofar as they're elect (Romans 11:25,28). All the elect, non-believing, genetic Israelites who don't become believers before Jesus' 2nd coming will become believers (and so will become members of the church: Ephesians 4:4-6) at the 2nd coming (Romans 11:26), when they see the returned Jesus in person (Zechariah 12:10-14). But even though all elect, genetic Israelites will eventually be saved, they're only a remnant of all genetic Israelites (Romans 9:27), most of whom will never be saved, just as most of humanity in general, both Jews and Gentiles, will never be saved (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14).

It's a very simple question, Does this scripture apply to Gentiles{of course it does}?

Does Paul quote this scripture concerning Gentiles{Of course}

Then it of course means that Gentiles come under the promise spoken to Israel, NOT JUDAH.

See the difference?

7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the Lord their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

Now concerning Israel{Not Judah}

8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.
9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.


Did Gentiles{not my people} become the sons of the living God?

'' Not My people'' Means gentile.


The Promise is clearly spoken about the latter days of Ephraim being found and gentiles who are not God's people, become God's people.

Through Israel's promise as stated in Hosea.






There are people from all 12 tribes, Nevertheless, WE, as Gentiles claim the promise spoken to the lost people of Joseph.

That's the reason why Paul quotes the scripture saying,'' Those who were not my people, become the sons of the living God.''

It's not a Prophecy just flung out there for no reason, it's the promise we claim, and that promise is through the Lost kingdom of Israel that God had put an end to, 700 years before Jesus came.

Paul quotes this promise CONCERNING gentiles, so does Peter, and Paul explains it elsewhere.

The prophecy was for gentiles of the lost northern kingdom.


And that's where gentiles have an open door, when God put an end to the Northern Kingdom, but then promised to later call those who are not God's people{gentiles} become the people of God.

 

[Bible2]

HannibalFlavius said in post 283:

It's a very simple question, Does this scripture apply to Gentiles{of course it does}?

Romans 9:25-26 applies to elect Jews and Gentiles (Romans 9:24-26), who, while they're in unbelief (e.g. Romans 11:28), aren't God's people insofar as they aren't grafted into the good olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:20). But when they come into belief they become God's people insofar as they get grafted into the good olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24).

The subsequent context of Romans 9:25-26 shows that Paul there is thinking of "Israel" in the sense of non-Gentile people (i.e. Jews) who mistakenly think that they can attain to righteousness by keeping the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law:

Romans 9:30 ¶What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:1 ¶Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 ¶For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[YeShallTread]

When will Elijah appear? Jesus tells us....

Matthew 11:13-15 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.


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If ye will receive it, know that....Elijah, which was promised to come....IS, ALL THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW. If we have ears then we hear this truth. We understand that the Bible, the law and prophecies contained therein...ARE the spirit of Elijah.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Romans 9:25-26 applies to elect Jews and Gentiles (Romans 9:24-26), who, while they're in unbelief (e.g. Romans 11:28), aren't God's people insofar as they aren't grafted into the good olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:20). But when they come into belief they become God's people insofar as they get grafted into the good olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24).

The subsequent context of Romans 9:25-26 shows that Paul there is thinking of "Israel" in the sense of non-Gentile people (i.e. Jews) who mistakenly think that they can attain to righteousness by keeping the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law:

Romans 9:30 ¶What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:1 ¶Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 ¶For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

God came to make two out of one man.

These two are called,' Ephraim and Judah.''

The Lord made a new covenant with Ephraim and Judah, not anybody else.

Isaiah, Zechariah, Ezekiel and others all talk about Ephraim and Judah in the days, how the two will appoint for themselves one leader.

That God will make these two men one.



The covenants are only for Ephraim and Judah, if you are not one of them, you are not among them.



ALL the end time prophecies show these two, In the last days, Joseph is found and the Jealousy of Ephraim passes away, and Judah will stop harassing Ephraim.

But these two are the great ones, the whole world falls to these two.

These two have all the promises of becoming one man.


I say one of these people are symbolic for gentiles, and it is that gentiles and Jews become one.

That gentiles will no longer be jealous of Judah, and Judah will no longer harass gentiles.


You can make what you want of what the New Testament says, but the promises are for these two.


Hosea Promises that the kingdom of Northern Israel will be as the sands of the seas BECAUSE, God will call them ,'' His People.'' who were not his people.

How is this not about gentiles being grafted into Israel?


Only Ephraim and Judah have the promises.



Who did God make a new covenant with?


Last thing I say on this subject, it's already off topic.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Look, In the last days, The wealth of the world is brought up to the feet of Israel, to Ephraim, and to Judah.

These two have very specific prophecies that differ, but the two become one..


Gentiles are clearly saved, we see them keeping the feast of Tabernacles, we see them coming to the light of Israel, and we see the two rule the world.


We see the gentiles in the last days gathering the wealth of the world to the feet of Judah and Israel.

So we have Judah, we have Ephraim, and we have gentiles.

The prophets don't exclude gentiles.



The prophets talk about gentiles being saved and coming to the light of Israel and Judah.




So maybe you guys are right, we are not Judah, we are not Ephraim, we are just saved gentiles who will bring the wealth of the world to the feet of Judah and Ephraim.

Yup.


Your right bible, we aren't Ephraim or Judah, we bring the wealth to Ephraim and Judah, they have all the promises.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Therefore there is no difference between Jew and Gentile.

This scripture does not wipe away the science of the tribes, and it certainly does not cancel out all the prophecies of Judah and Ephraim becoming one in the last days.

Revelation puts the tribes in order according to righteousness, and all people who are considered Israel will be allotted their own inheritance according to how far they have progressed up the ladder.

A gentile now has a chance to move up the ladder within the tribes of Israel.

Saying that there is no difference between Jew and gentile does not wipe away all the future prophecies concerning Judah and Ephraim and the other tribes.


EZEKIEL 37:15 The word of the LORD came to me: 16 "Son of man, take a stick and write on it, 'For Judah, and the people of Israel associated with him'; then take another stick and write on it, 'For Joseph (the stick of Ephraim) and all the House of Israel associated with him.' 17 And join them one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand. 18 And when your people say to you, 'Will you not tell us what you mean by these?' 19 Say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I am about to take the stick of Joseph (that is in the hand of Ephraim) and the tribes of Israel associated with him. And I will join with it the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, that they may be one in My hand. 20 When the sticks on which you write are in your hand before their eyes, 21 then say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the people of Israel from the nations among which they have gone, and will gather them from all around, and bring them to their own land. 22 And I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. And one king shall be king over them all, and they shall be no longer two nations, and no longer divided into two kingdoms. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols and their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions. But I will save them from all the backslidings in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God. 24 My servant David shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall walk in My rules and be careful to obey My statutes. 25 They shall dwell in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children shall dwell there forever, and David My servant shall be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 Then the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore." (ESV)
This prophecy, recorded by Ezekiel during the years of the Babylonian captivity, makes it pretty clear that the two houses had not YET been reunited at that time. We are told that the split will be repaired when the House of Judah (led by the tribe of Judah) is reunited with the House of Israel (led by the tribe of Ephraim) under the offspring of David, the Messiah. But we also know from the Torah that this reunion couldn't occur until at least 700 years had passed from the beginning of Ephraim's captivity.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

JOHN 11:47 Then the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered a council and said, "What shall we do? For this man works many signs. 48 If we let him alone like this, everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and nation." 49 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, "You know nothing at all, 50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish." 51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation [Judah], 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad [i.e., the northern kingdom of Israel]. 53 Then, from that day on, they plotted to put Him to death. 54 Therefore Jesus no longer walked openly among the Jews, but went from there into the country near the wilderness, to a city called Ephraim, and there remained with His disciples. (NKJV)


Yeshua didn't just die for the Jews, but also for those "children of God who were scattered abroad." Anyone who knows the history of Israel as revealed in the Old Testament knows that those children who were scattered abroad (by God Himself) were the lost House of Israel. It's interesting (and prophetic) that right after this prophecy was given, Yeshua went into a city called Ephraim, which is also the symbolic name for the children of God who had been scattered into all nations.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

When will Elijah appear? Jesus tells us....

Matthew 11:13-15 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.


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If ye will receive it, know that....Elijah, which was promised to come....IS, ALL THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW. If we have ears then we hear this truth. We understand that the Bible, the law and prophecies contained therein...ARE the spirit of Elijah.

This doesn't cancel out the prophecies of the coming of Elijah in the last days.

Jesus said that Elijah must come and restore all things, and things have not been restored.

Elijah is to turn the world BACK to the hearts of the fathers of Israel.

Elijah prepared the way before the coming of Christ in his first coming, and he does the same thing at his second coming.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Bible, This scripture is about the lost kingdom of Israel.

Not my people become my people is about the lost kingdom of Israel.


No matter how it's spun, these promises are still about the Northern kingdom.


THEIR HOPE, WHERE THERE WAS NO HOPE.



Jesus Begins His Ministry
…15"THE LAND OF ZEBULUN AND THE LAND OF NAPHTALI, BY THE WAY OF THE SEA, BEYOND THE JORDAN, GALILEE OF THE GENTILES-- 16"THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN DARKNESS SAW A GREAT LIGHT, AND THOSE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE LAND AND SHADOW OF DEATH, UPON THEM A LIGHT DAWNED." 17From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."


Isaiah 9:1 The HOPE of the lost ten tribes who OWN the land of Naphtali and Zebulun, Here is Christ coming for their hope.

Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the nations, by the Way of the Sea, beyond the Jordan--

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Here are gentiles who believe in God but remained gentiles.

The Temple is a 3 step ladder of righteousness, and if in the last days, you are found to still be a gentile, you are not counted and a civil war breaks out between the non counted gentiles at the Temple, and the people of the Temple proper.


The Two Witnesses
1I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”a 5If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.


Who are the two witnesses?


And if God has made all people the same, why then are their still two?

And why are the gentiles excluded at this time?


These gentiles refused to become Israel.


A gentile believes in Jesus and he begins to study the law, his goal is to become the same as the Israelite.


Just as the church wants to keep separate, all those who remain separate, will not be counted, and they will fight against TWO of God's real sons.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

It would be nice if only the Christian could realize just how impossible it is for a Messianic to speak of Elijah and the two witnesses with a Christian.


You have two people discussing one subject while both are studying from two different books.

It is so unfair, and so hard, that it is almost impossible.


It's like a Christian speaking and trying to prove to a Muslim what Jesus is coming to do in the last days.

The Muslim will try and prove that Jesus is coming from the well of Abraham with the last Mahdi, he will show the New Testament and explain to you what is going to happen in the last days with a tilt from the Koran.


21“Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”


How do we discuss anything in Revelation, and all things of the last days if one of us doesn't have the book of what happens in the last days?


We want to discuss power being given to the two witnesses, and this science is wrapped up in the fall Holy days of the second rain and coming of Jesus.


Me and Jo Anna don't exactly see eye to eye on everything but we both know that the coming of Jesus in the future is wrapped around a science of tradition, prayers, Holy days, prophecies and all things about the 22 days of rain that teaches what is going to happen with Elijah and or the two witnesses, and what they come to do.

The coming of Jesus in the last days is also wrapped up in what Jo Anna is saying about the month of Elul when the king is in the field. We don't exactly see eye to eye, but we both know that knowing the fall days, is to learn what happens in the last days.






My ONLY goal in this forum is to learn more and more about things that Jo Anna is talking about in this thread. To keep studying the preordained missions of Jesus and what the fall Holy days of Jesus teach.

But it's extremely hard to talk about the fall Holy days of Jesus with people who don't know anything about the fall Holy days, thus, not knowing what Revelation is talking about when those fall Holy days are unfolding.




My intention is not to dog anyone who has accepted non biblical Holy days, but my goal is to get Christians way more interested in what the 22 days of the fall teach about Jesus and what happens in the last days.


But it is impossible to try and discuss the two witnesses and the things that happen in Revelation without any knowledge of the pre ordained things that must take place according to what the fall Holy days teach.

I would just like Christians to see the beauty and truth found in what Jesus comes to do in the second rain upon the Earth.

Try and put yourself in my shoes, it's very hard to come to an agreement about the two witnesses and things of Revelation when Revelation is all about the fall Holy days being fulfilled.

I would have Christians jumping for joy in what the feast of Tabernacles will bring, but how will they accept a gift they refuse?

Christians have no idea what they are missing out on.


Take away all your knowledge of Passover, of unleavened bread, of firstfruits, and of Pentecost.

Can you see the beauty that would be missing in your life?

Can't you see that this information is so wonderful, and SO IMPORTANT?


Imagine that you never heard anything about Passover, unleavned bread, firstfruits, and Pentecost.

Wouldn't that be terrible, you would be missing out in so much beauty and wonder.


But the fall Holy days are much bigger of a deal, the fall Holy days are so extraordinary and SO IMPORTANT.

So much magic and beauty, so much hope and joy in these Holy days of Jesus.

The spring Holy days are taken for granted but imagine yourself without the knowledge of Jesus in these things.


That's what I try and give Christians.


The knowledge of the fall Holy days of Jesus second coming is so very exciting, and I want to share it.

I would like to share what Zechariah is showing in the last days, but they concern fall Holy days being fulfilled.

The same goes with all the prophets in speaking of the last days, they are speaking of the fall Holy days unfolding, but here is just Zechariah displaying the fall Holy days happening.

But a lot of Christians don't want this knowledge, it's like saying that they don't want to know anything about Passover, Unleavened bread, firstfruits and Pentecost.


There is one week, Jesus has 7 Holy days, and 3 and a half days have come and gone.

The rest of this week unfolds everywhere we look in looking for end day events.

Zechariah 14

King James Version (KJV)

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

In that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord.

What day?

Of course, we know what day, because we practice.

 

[ebedmelech]

The issue here is that you Hannibal...don't see the beauty in Jesus fullining all the feast day, holy days, and sabbath days...and because you don't...you're not experiencing the full grace of God.

1 Corinthians 5:7, 8:
7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.
8 Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Hebrews 9 really lays it out...*if* you can hear it:

Now even the first covenant had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle prepared, the outer one, in which were the lampstand and the table and the sacred bread; this is called the holy place.
3 Behind the second veil there was a tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies,
4 having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden jar holding the manna, and Aaron’s rod which budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5 and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat; but of these things we cannot now speak in detail.
6 Now when these things have been so prepared, the priests are continually entering the outer tabernacle performing the divine worship,
7 but into the second, only the high priest enters once a year, not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance.
8 The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been disclosed while the outer tabernacle is still standing,
9 which is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience,
10 since they relate only to food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until a time of reformation.
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
16 For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it.
17 For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives.
18 Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood.
19 For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God commanded you.”
21 And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood.
22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
23 Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.
26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

Now that passage makes it clear...to those who will hear it.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

The issue here is that you Hannibal...don't see the beauty in Jesus fullining all the feast day, holy days, and sabbath days...and because you don't...you're not experiencing the full grace of God.

No Ebed, Before you can understand the Holy days, you have to have a great desire to study them.


There is not one Passover Ebed, There are 3.
There is not one unleavened bread, there are 3.
There is not one Firstfruits, there are 3.
There is not one Pentecost, there are 3.
There is not one feast of Trumpets, there are 3.
There is not one Yom Kippor, there are 3.
There is not one feast of Tabernacles, there are 3.
There is not just one Atzereth Shemini, THERE ARE THREE EBED.


Not only are we discussing the unfolding of the fall festivals, we are also discussing the next Passover itself, because the end combines them all.


But before you can learn what happens at the last Passover, you have to want to study it, you have to have a desire to choose to love the Holy days of Jesus in order to find out what they are showing for the future.


The prophets speak of a third literal Passover for Egypt and Assyria before the 3 become one, but the sea dividing and people walking through that sea only points to death, where a person must cross the crystal sea of separation.

The firstborn of flesh is killed at midnight, and everyone is a firstborn child, this is our first life, not the second.

Those who are alive when Passover happens, they will have their waters divided and then God will be there.


Waters only symbolize what we are, and we are 3.

The water, the blood, the spirit, and these testify in the earth, the 3 agree as one because the 3 are one.

There are 3 Pentecost where at the first Pentecost, the law was given, and at the second Pentecost, the spirit is given, but we are also promised a third giving of the Holy spirit.


There are 3 feasts of Tabernacles just as all the prophets speak of a third Tabernacles in all the end time prophecies.

The first Tabernacles happened in the wilderness, and then Jesus came to be born in a booth on the first day of booths, but the prophets show a third happening, where all the world will indeed celebrate the Tabernacles or be severely punished.

Jesus being born on Tabernacles only points to what?


What do all the prophets say happens when they speak of this future Tabernacles?

You don't wanna know, do you?

My O'll buddy Ebed, missed you.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Why must a certain amount of people be killed?

Revelation 6:10 '' How long, O Lord, Holy and true?----'' Until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed, as they were, was completed.''




Look familiar?
10And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. 11But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. 12And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them.…


It's the same story happening 3 times.


I'll tell a secret, if you want to try and figure out what is going to happen, just think of the story repeating itself.


Where there was one John the Baptist, there came million from him, and where there was one Jesus, There will be many who are killed and sacrificed as Jesus was, and to these overcomers, they obtain the same promises that were spoken to Jesus.

Revelation 2:26To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’b —just as I have received authority from my Father. 28I will also give that one the morning star. 29Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches



Here is that same promise given to Jesus, and then given to the overcomers who have followed Jesus example.


What was given to Jesus, He gives to his sons, his overcomers or the world.

Our promise if we follow the example of Christ, such an opportunity.

''This is my Son.''

He shall rule the nations!


Psalms 2

1Why do the nations conspirea
and the peoples plot in vain?
2The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
3“Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”

4The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.
5He rebukes them in his anger
and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6“I have installed my king
on Zion, my holy mountain.”

7I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my son;
today I have become your father.
8Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
9You will break them with a rod of ironb ;
you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

10Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11Serve the Lord with fear
and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12Kiss his son, or he will be angry
and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

 

[ebedmelech]

No Ebed, Before you can understand the Holy days, you have to have a great desire to study them.


There is not one Passover Ebed, There are 3.
There is not one unleavened bread, there are 3.
There is not one Firstfruits, there are 3.
There is not one Pentecost, there are 3.
There is not one feast of Trumpets, there are 3.
There is not one Yom Kippor, there are 3.
There is not one feast of Tabernacles, there are 3.
There is not just one Atzereth Shemini, THERE ARE THREE EBED.


Not only are we discussing the unfolding of the fall festivals, we are also discussing the next Passover itself, because the end combines them all.


But before you can learn what happens at the last Passover, you have to want to study it, you have to have a desire to choose to love the Holy days of Jesus in order to find out what they are showing for the future.


The prophets speak of a third literal Passover for Egypt and Assyria before the 3 become one, but the sea dividing and people walking through that sea only points to death, where a person must cross the crystal sea of separation.

The firstborn of flesh is killed at midnight, and everyone is a firstborn child, this is our first life, not the second.

Those who are alive when Passover happens, they will have their waters divided and then God will be there.


Waters only symbolize what we are, and we are 3.

The water, the blood, the spirit, and these testify in the earth, the 3 agree as one because the 3 are one.

There are 3 Pentecost where at the first Pentecost, the law was given, and at the second Pentecost, the spirit is given, but we are also promised a third giving of the Holy spirit.


There are 3 feasts of Tabernacles just as all the prophets speak of a third Tabernacles in all the end time prophecies.

The first Tabernacles happened in the wilderness, and then Jesus came to be born in a booth on the first day of booths, but the prophets show a third happening, where all the world will indeed celebrate the Tabernacles or be severely punished.

Jesus being born on Tabernacles only points to what?


What do all the prophets say happens when they speak of this future Tabernacles?

You don't wanna know, do you?

My O'll buddy Ebed, missed you.

None of what you said matters Hannibal...because Christ marked the end of every bit of those feast...and believe me, I have studied them all.

When it comes to the Feast of Tabernacles...that to is Jesus...that's why John 1:14 says:
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

The word "dwelt" is the Greek word "skēnoō" which is more correctly renedered "tabernacled among us".

Greek Lexicon :: G4637 (KJV)

This is why Paul tells us in Colossians 2:16, 17:
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Jesus is like Coca Cola Hannibal...HE'S THE REAL THING...HE IS LORD OF THE SABBATH as well as all the feasts!!!

 

[zeke37]

Hannibal, I too see the fall feasts as yet to be fully fulfilled.

when they are, Christ will actually be here on earth from that point on, forever, in person.
the world will be a much better place then, than it is now.

He came and did indeed tabernacle with us, but He left, and promised to return again.
that promised return is echoed in the NT far passed Pentecost...

so the tabernacling that the NT speaks of is yet future.

do u believe in a future 2nd Coming, where the dead in Christ are brought here and raised here?

 

[Bible2]

HannibalFlavius said in post 286:

Who did God make a new covenant with?

See the 2nd paragraph of post 275.

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HannibalFlavius said in post 287:

Your right bible, we aren't Ephraim or Judah, we bring the wealth to Ephraim and Judah, they have all the promises.

Note that this isn't what has been said.

Instead, all those in the church, whether Jews or Gentiles, are spiritually Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:29). And Abraham's seed is Israel (Isaiah 41:8, Romans 11:1; 2 Chronicles 20:7). So the entire church is Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). Not just the Jews in the church (e.g. Romans 11:1b), but also the Gentiles in the church are spiritually Abraham's seed of promise (Romans 9:7,8,24), as Isaac was (Galatians 4:28) and as Jesus is (Galatians 3:16,29). And so Gentiles in the church, along with Jews in the church, are heirs of all the promises made by God to Israel (Ephesians 3:6, Ephesians 2:12,19, Romans 15:27, Galatians 3:29b, Romans 11:17,24).

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HannibalFlavius said in post 292:

Who are the two witnesses?

See the 2nd paragraph of post 265.

HannibalFlavius said in post 292:

And why are the gentiles excluded at this time?

They aren't, if you mean excluded in any way by God.

Revelation 11:2 refers to a literal outer court of a Jewish temple building which will be built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as Matthew 24:15 and Daniel 11:31 refer to that temple's holy place (inner sanctum), and just as 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Daniel 11:36 refer to the Antichrist eventually sitting in that temple (at least one time) and proclaiming himself God.

HannibalFlavius said in post 292:

And why are the gentiles excluded at this time?

If you mean they will be excluded from a 3rd Jewish temple building, that would be because it will be built by the ultra-Orthodox Jews, who will not allow anything non-kosher (in their eyes) to come anywhere near the temple.

Some people deny that there will ever be a 3rd Jewish temple building built. But Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 require that there will be one in the earthly Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple will coexist with the church like the 2nd temple did (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and like the temple building in heaven does (Revelation 11:19). The 3rd temple could be built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount by the ultra-Orthodox Jews after they (or great earthquakes) clear the site by destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. Shortly after they build the temple, the Antichrist could attack and defeat them and a false Messiah leading them (Daniel 11:22).

Then the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23a), permitting them to keep the temple, and to continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of it, for at least 7 more years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims, so that the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could grudgingly agree to this, if the only other option is for them to lose the temple entirely. They could then build a high wall between the temple and the mosque, in order to keep the temple from being defiled.

But then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

At the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the future millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the first century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).

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One reason that the 3rd Jewish temple hasn't been built yet is the Israeli government is protecting the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (the 3rd-holiest buildings in Islam, right after those in Mecca and Medina), knowing that if the ultra-Orthodox Jews were to destroy these buildings in order to clear the Temple Mount for a 3rd Jewish temple, this could mean the end of the state of Israel. For enraged Muslim armies and militias could attack Israel en masse in an all-out jihad and defeat it completely. While the ultra-Orthodox Jews are no doubt aware of this danger, they believe that the 3rd temple must nonetheless be built exactly where the prior temples stood: right over the Rock of Sacrifice (the Rock of the Dome of the Rock) on which Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. And the ultra-Orthodox Jews could be brought to the point where they will even desire to see the end of the current, secular state of Israel, believing that only in its demise will God make it possible for them to establish a new, perfectly ultra-Orthodox, theocratic state of Israel.

Something that could bring the ultra-Orthodox Jews to this point would be them getting squeezed out of their settlements in Samaria and Judaea (also called the West Bank), and in East Jerusalem, as part of a peace deal handing these areas over to a Palestinian state. For the ultra-Orthodox Jews (rightly) see Samaria, Judaea, and Jerusalem as the historically most important and holy parts of the land promised by God to Israel since the time of Abraham (Exodus 32:13). So when they start to get squeezed out of these areas, in a rage they could suddenly mass in their tens of thousands, armed with machine guns (which they're allowed to have for self-defense against the Palestinians). And led by 3 huge bulldozers, they could march as a great army to the Old City of Jerusalem, and go up onto the Temple Mount and destroy the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (or simply clear way their rubble, if they've already been destroyed by great earthquakes by that time).

Besides getting squeezed out of their settlements, something else that could tip the scales toward this happening would be the rising up of a miracle-working, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (cf. Matthew 24:24), who could tell the ultra-Orthodox Jews something like:

"God says that now is the time for us to take back religious control of the Holy Temple Mount, and rid it of all the detestable shrines which the Muslims have placed upon it. We are to sanctify it in the name of our God, so that we might rebuild His Holy Temple there. Listen, my brethren, fear not the Muslims' reaction when we retake religious control of the Holy Temple Mount. For God Himself is with us. He will protect us perfectly. Have I not shown you His mighty Power working through Me? Fear not any men, but fear only our Mighty God, who now commands us to rebuild His Holy Temple at the place He determined from the time of our Father Abraham. Our God gave us back the Holy Temple Mount way back in 1967 C.E. But what have we done with it over all the time since then? Nothing! How can this be? How can we have allowed some merely-secular, so-called 'Israeli' government invented by sinful men to keep us, God's holy people, from even setting foot back on the Temple Mount? Let us rise up, my brethren! Let us all rise up, in the name of our God, and let us do mighty exploits to the Glory of His Holy Name!"

Something else that could help tip the scales regarding the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent is their finding out the location of the Ark of the Covenant, which could be buried under an ancient ruined fort in the desert east of Jerusalem. The Copper Scroll could contain the clues as to where the Ark is buried in the fort (e.g. "under the third step"). The Ark could have been located there already with ground-penetrating radar by some non-religious treasure hunters, but the Israeli government could be holding up a digging permit to retrieve the Ark because the government is afraid that the ultra-Orthodox Jews could see the discovery of the Ark as (in their words) "an unmistakable sign from God that now is the time for us to rebuild His Holy Temple". So the Israeli government has a motive to keep the location of the buried Ark top secret.

HannibalFlavius said in post 292:

A gentile believes in Jesus and he begins to study the law, his goal is to become the same as the Israelite.

No believer, whether Jew or Gentile, should be trying to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6), for the reasons given in the 2nd section of post 275.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Hannibal, I too see the fall feasts as yet to be fully fulfilled.

when they are, Christ will actually be here on earth from that point on, forever, in person.
the world will be a much better place then, than it is now.

He came and did indeed tabernacle with us, but He left, and promised to return again.
that promised return is echoed in the NT far passed Pentecost...

so the tabernacling that the NT speaks of is yet future.

do u believe in a future 2nd Coming, where the dead in Christ are brought here and raised here?

Sure, I believe in the second coming, where the dead are raised, and brought here. I also believe that every child who was killed will be raised here and live, to make their own choice.

I believe that Christ first comes inside his followers{in the clouds}.


What I believe looks just like the first coming of Christ.

Many things must happen first, before the fire.

But yeah, I believe Christ will come, and his saints with him.