When is this referring to?

[d taylor]

Who is he and what is his significance?

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[disciple Clint]

No they are not. I do not mean to bring up Enoch but that is where we find the most info on these beings.

Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called.

As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them. (Book of Enoch, chap. XV)

This is very good information . I cannot help but think it makes sense.

They are not, what? What is it that they are not?

 

[Davy]

Now the Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

It is the and also after that....that I am referring to. Is this referring to their spirits in death? Does it mean they are coming back!? What is meant here?

It means a 2nd irruption of them after the flood of Noah's day.

This is where the Rephaim (giants) came from mentioned later when the children of Israel were going into the lands of Canaan. There was a 2nd irruption of them. That's why God told Israel to wipe out those certain nations in Canaan per Deuteronomy 20.

 

[Jaxxi]

It means a 2nd irruption of them after the flood of Noah's day.

This is where the Rephaim (giants) came from mentioned later when the children of Israel were going into the lands of Canaan. There was a 2nd irruption of them. That's why God told Israel to wipe out those certain nations in Canaan per Deuteronomy 20.

That's what I wondered. So the Repheim are related to the Nephilim.

 

[disciple Clint]

It means a 2nd irruption of them after the flood of Noah's day.

This is where the Rephaim (giants) came from mentioned later when the children of Israel were going into the lands of Canaan. There was a 2nd irruption of them. That's why God told Israel to wipe out those certain nations in Canaan per Deuteronomy 20.

Except that is not what Scripture has to say.
2 Peter 2:4–9
English Standard Version

4 For if God did not spare uangels when they sinned, but vcast them into hell1 and committed them to chains2 of gloomy darkness wto be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but xpreserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought ya flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 if by zturning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, amaking them an example of bwhat is going to happen to the ungodly;3 7 and cif he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked 8 (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, dhe was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); 9 then ethe Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials,4 and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment,
Jude 1:6
English Standard Version
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day

 

[Davy]

That's what I wondered. So the Repheim are related to the Nephilim.

Yes.

Deut 2:10-11
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
KJV

Emims, Anakims, Rephaim, Zamzummim (Deuteronomy 2:20).

 

[Davy]

Except that is not what Scripture has to say.
2 Peter 2:4–9
English Standard Version

4 For if God did not spare uangels when they sinned, but vcast them into hell1 and committed them to chains2 of gloomy darkness wto be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but xpreserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought ya flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 if by zturning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, amaking them an example of bwhat is going to happen to the ungodly;3 7 and cif he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked 8 (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, dhe was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); 9 then ethe Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials,4 and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment,
Jude 1:6
English Standard Version
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day

Yes God's Word is talking about literal 'giants' of a great stature, a HYBRID RACE He did not... create. Satan loves it when deceivers deny this Scripture Truth from God's Word.

Those who refuse to heed the Scripture as written, which God's written Word is clear with descriptions of their physical nature that they were hybrids, and not created by God but from angels mating with flesh woman, those who deny this will deny many other Truths written in God's Word, and should not be listened to, for they have gone astray, listening to Satan's servants.

 

[disciple Clint]

Yes God's Word is talking about literal 'giants' of a great stature, a HYBRID RACE He did not... create. Satan loves it when deceivers deny this Scripture Truth from God's Word.

Those who refuse to heed the Scripture as written, which God's written Word is clear with descriptions of their physical nature that they were hybrids, and not created by God but from angels mating with flesh woman, those who deny this will deny many other Truths written in God's Word, and should not be listened to, for they have gone astray, listening to Satan's servants.

OK my point is that they were locked up by God prior to the flood, their children were killed by the flood. After the flood they and their children no longer existed on earth with man. This is clearly indicated in the two scriptures I provided. Do you not agree with that?

 

[Davy]

OK my point is that they were locked up by God prior to the flood, their children were killed by the flood. After the flood they and their children no longer existed on earth with man. This is clearly indicated in the two scriptures I provided. Do you not agree with that?

Yet still, you are not... following the Scriptures. Thus your last statement is an insult to God's Word.

2 Sam 21:20
20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
KJV

2 Sam 21:16
16 And Ishbi–benob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.
KJV

1 Chron 20:5-8
5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.
6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant.
7 But when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea David's brother slew him.
8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
KJV

Why are you here on a Christian forum if you have no intention of following the Scriptures?

 

[disciple Clint]

Yes.

Deut 2:10-11
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
KJV

Emims, Anakims, Rephaim, Zamzummim (Deuteronomy 2:20).

Yes I see what you are saying but there is no connection that I can find between the Emims and the Nephilim. Here is a little more information on the Emims:
Emim Emim from the McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia.
E'mim (Hebrews Eynim', אֵימַים, terrors; Sept. Ο᾿μμαῖοι and Ο᾿μμείν; Auth. Vers. "Emims"), a numerous and warlike tribe of the ancient Canaanites, of gigantic stature, defeated by Chedorlaomer and his allies in the plain of Kiriathaim; they occupied, in the time of Abraham, the country east of the Jordan, afterwards possessed by the Moabites (Ge 14:5; De 2:10-11). SEE CANAAN. An ingenious writer in the Jour. of Sac. Lit. (April, 1852, page 55 sq.; January 1853, page 296) argues, but upon rather slender grounds, that their original title was [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim, and identifies them with the Chetta so often referred to in the Egyptian inscriptions. It would appear, from a comparison of Ge 14:5-7 with De 2:10-12,20-23, that the whole country east of Jordan was, in primitive times, held by a race of giants, all probably of the same stock, comprehending the Rephaim on the north, next the Zuzim, after them the Emim, and then the Horim on the south; and that afterwards the kingdom of Bashan embraced the territories of the first; the country of the Ammonites, the second; that of the Moabites, the third; while Edom took in the mountains of the Horim. The whole of them. were attacked and pillaged by the Eastern kings who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. SEE REPHAIM. The Emim were related to the Anakim, and were generally called by the same name; but their conquerors, the Moabites, termed them Emim that is, "Terrible men" (De 2:11) — most probably on account of their fierce aspect. SEE ANAKIM.

 

[Davy]

Yes I see what you are saying but there is no connection that I can find between the Emims and the Nephilim. Here is a little more information on the Emims:
Emim Emim from the McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia.
E'mim (Hebrews Eynim', אֵימַים, terrors; Sept. Ο᾿μμαῖοι and Ο᾿μμείν; Auth. Vers. "Emims"), a numerous and warlike tribe of the ancient Canaanites, of gigantic stature, defeated by Chedorlaomer and his allies in the plain of Kiriathaim; they occupied, in the time of Abraham, the country east of the Jordan, afterwards possessed by the Moabites (Ge 14:5; De 2:10-11). SEE CANAAN. An ingenious writer in the Jour. of Sac. Lit. (April, 1852, page 55 sq.; January 1853, page 296) argues, but upon rather slender grounds, that their original title was [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim, and identifies them with the Chetta so often referred to in the Egyptian inscriptions. It would appear, from a comparison of Ge 14:5-7 with De 2:10-12,20-23, that the whole country east of Jordan was, in primitive times, held by a race of giants, all probably of the same stock, comprehending the Rephaim on the north, next the Zuzim, after them the Emim, and then the Horim on the south; and that afterwards the kingdom of Bashan embraced the territories of the first; the country of the Ammonites, the second; that of the Moabites, the third; while Edom took in the mountains of the Horim. The whole of them. were attacked and pillaged by the Eastern kings who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. SEE REPHAIM. The Emim were related to the Anakim, and were generally called by the same name; but their conquerors, the Moabites, termed them Emim that is, "Terrible men" (De 2:11) — most probably on account of their fierce aspect. SEE ANAKIM.

The Scripture evidence has been presented you. What is described in Genesis 6 and Jude 1 to cause the existence of the 'giant' hybrid race is plain as day. Yet you deny it. So no amount of your dilly-dallying with commentaries and dictionaries is going to go against the written Scripture that you deny. End of debate. I don't have time for deniers of God's Word.

 

[disciple Clint]

Yet still, you are not... following the Scriptures. Thus your last statement is an insult to God's Word.

2 Sam 21:20
20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
KJV

2 Sam 21:16
16 And Ishbi–benob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.
KJV

1 Chron 20:5-8
5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.
6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant.
7 But when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea David's brother slew him.
8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
KJV

Why are you here on a Christian forum if you have no intention of following the Scriptures?

I have no idea what you are talking about, I posted the Scriptures that provided the information that I commented on. I think the key miscommunication we have here is that the fallen angels that mated with women resulted in the Nephilim who as far as I can find information on are not related in any way to the Emims that you are posting about.

 

[Jaxxi]

Yes.

Deut 2:10-11
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
KJV

Emims, Anakims, Rephaim, Zamzummim (Deuteronomy 2:20).

Oh there are many. So their bloodlines are among us.

 

[Jaxxi]

Yes God's Word is talking about literal 'giants' of a great stature, a HYBRID RACE He did not... create. Satan loves it when deceivers deny this Scripture Truth from God's Word.

Those who refuse to heed the Scripture as written, which God's written Word is clear with descriptions of their physical nature that they were hybrids, and not created by God but from angels mating with flesh woman, those who deny this will deny many other Truths written in God's Word, and should not be listened to, for they have gone astray, listening to Satan's servants.

Amen to that. So very true. We find that whether it is folklore or myth, in the Book of Enoch which is not considered scripture, it was not mere sin which banished satan's presence from heaven forever, but satan's influence in creating this hybrid race who in turn became horribly violent and began eating God's creation, that made it where God could not forgive this action and could not accept this " half-celestial" race anywhere in heaven once they perished. Think deeply about this race of beings. What kinds of qualities would they possess? They could most certainly appear in the physical world like humans do, and somehow be invisible to the physical world as angels and demons are. They would most likely be able to change form like angels can but would be earthbound and could very well be our Sasquatch, yeti beings that are so elusive to humans but leave their footprints and hair behind to be tested for DNA. The latest DNA findings on these creatures is astonishing and not found in mainstream media for whatever reason..Check it out.

 

[Davy]

Oh there are many. So their bloodlines are among us.

I don't think so. I think God has made sure the giant hybrids have all been purged out. The Pawnee Indians said they were three times the size of an ordinary man. That would be something like 3 x 6 = 18 feet tall. I know there's been a few really tall men around 10 feet recorded, but not 18 feet tall.

 

[Davy]

Amen to that. So very true. We find that whether it is folklore or myth, in the Book of Enoch which is not considered scripture, it was not mere sin which banished satan's presence from heaven forever, but satan's influence in creating this hybrid race who in turn became horribly violent and began eating God's creation, that made it where God could not forgive this action and could not accept this " half-celestial" race anywhere in heaven once they perished. Think deeply about this race of beings. What kinds of qualities would they possess? They could most certainly appear in the physical world like humans do, and somehow be invisible to the physical world as angels and demons are. They would most likely be able to change form like angels can but would be earthbound and could very well be our Sasquatch, yeti beings that are so elusive to humans but leave their footprints and hair behind to be tested for DNA. The latest DNA findings on these creatures is astonishing and not found in mainstream media for whatever reason..Check it out.

I wouldn't go so far as to say the giant hybrids could enter the heavenly realm, but that they did have some supernatural abilities, which is how the various mythologies of the ancients came from (like the Titans, etc.). The ancients worshiped them as gods, when they weren't really gods. It caused confusion away from God's Plan for man. But especially, Satan caused it to try and prevent Christ's birth down the road, trying to taint the bloodline from Noah to Christ.

 

[Thomas White]

Yes God's Word is talking about literal 'giants' of a great stature, a HYBRID RACE He did not... create. Satan loves it when deceivers deny this Scripture Truth from God's Word.

Those who refuse to heed the Scripture as written, which God's written Word is clear with descriptions of their physical nature that they were hybrids, and not created by God but from angels mating with flesh woman, those who deny this will deny many other Truths written in God's Word, and should not be listened to, for they have gone astray, listening to Satan's servants.

Wait. Let me make sure I understand. You believe that if a Believer does not believe giants existed then that Believer denies God?

 

[Davy]

Wait. Let me make sure I understand. You believe that if a Believer does not believe giants existed then that Believer denies God?

Denies His Word for it is written.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the giant hybrids could enter the heavenly realm, but that they did have some supernatural abilities, which is how the various mythologies of the ancients came from (like the Titans, etc.). The ancients worshiped them as gods, when they weren't really gods. It caused confusion away from God's Plan for man. But especially, Satan caused it to try and prevent Christ's birth down the road, trying to taint the bloodline from Noah to Christ.

Where in the Bible does it say all that?

 

[Thomas White]

Denies His Word for it is written.

You don't think perspectives, terms, and understanding might have been different thousands of years ago? What would an Ancient Hebrew call an airplane?