When is it gonna be enough?

[dogs4thewin]

No, like people who say "when you pry it from my cold, dead hands."

Why?

 

[Resha Caner]

Why?

I'm sorry. I don't follow. Why what?

 

[dogs4thewin]

I'm sorry. I don't follow. Why what?

Why is it so bad that people will fight for their rights?

 

[Resha Caner]

Why is it so bad that people will fight for their rights?

"fight" is a much more benign term than the impression given by some. A "right" is a legal grant subject to change over time, and nowhere in the U.S. is it legal for someone to kill for their second amendment rights.

 

[dogs4thewin]

"fight" is a much more benign term than the impression given by some. A "right" is a legal grant subject to change over time, and nowhere in the U.S. is it legal for someone to kill for their second amendment rights.

We have had one civil war and there are plenty who would be willing to have another for the second amendment ( and various other issues). It is not pretty to think about, but there is a good chance of it.

 

[Resha Caner]

We have had one civil war and there are plenty who would be willing to have another for the second amendment ( and various other issues). It is not pretty to think about, but there is a good chance of it.

And? Are you among those willing to go to war?

 

[dogs4thewin]

And? Are you among those willing to go to war?

Well personally my eye sight and motor skills make having a gun not an option for me, but I would certainly be on the pro second amendmend/anti illegal side if in fact I had no choice but to be in war, because whether you fight or no the fact is civilians will die in combat. They always have and they always will.

 

[Resha Caner]

Well personally my eye sight and motor skills make having a gun not an option for me, but I would certainly be on the pro second adrndmend/anti illegal side if in fact I had no choice but to be in war, because whether you fight or no the fact is civilians will die in combat. They also have and they always will.

That's a skillful non-answer. You should run for office.

So, any soldier-worthy friends or relatives out there that you're encouraging to go to war with their neighbors?

 

[dogs4thewin]

That's a skillful non-answer. You should run for office.

So, any soldier-worthy friends or relatives out there that you're encouraging to go to war with their neighbors?

I am not interested in war it is NOT a pretty thing, HOWEVER, I do believe that this country was founded on freedom and would be willing to help fight for that freedom if it came to that. Just like we fought the English in the 1700s and later a civil war was fought in part over states' rights.

 

[Resha Caner]

... and later a civil war was fought in part over states' rights.

I don't know why you keep bringing this up since the side that advocated for "states' rights" (so-called) lost.

I am not interested in war it is NOT a pretty thing, HOWEVER, I do believe that this country was founded on freedom and would be willing to help fight for that freedom if it came to that.

That's nice to know but "freedom" is such a vague thing. Civil wars are never simple. Suppose the side advocating for more gun rights also wanted to rescind voting rights for women. Would you still support them? That's just an example. I'm curious how much the 2nd amendment really means to you and what you would give up to maintain it.

 

[Jay1971]

The main solution to growing evil is the direct result of taking God out of the Picture all together.

the world doesn't want God or Truth in the schools or court rooms, they took it all out and even have plans to take (In God We Trust) off our hard working dollars, they put into schools the secular views of man which are lies and Scienctism beliefs, it's not going to get better it's getting worse from the direct result of it.

If we the people take back our government and pray unto God, he will hear us and heal our land and only then.

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I don't know why you keep bringing this up since the side that advocated for "states' rights" (so-called) lost.



That's nice to know but "freedom" is such a vague thing. Civil wars are never simple. Suppose the side advocating for more gun rights also wanted to rescind voting rights for women. Would you still support them? That's just an example. I'm curious how much the 2nd amendment really means to you and what you would give up to maintain it.

Well, I do not really know because the second amendment has been around a LOT longer than women have ( federally) been allowed to vote. This next prseidental election will mark a century as opposed to better than two.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The main solution to growing evil is the direct result of taking God out of the Picture all together.

the world doesn't want God or Truth in the schools or court rooms, they took it all out and even have plans to take (In God We Trust) off our hard working dollars, they put into schools the secular views of man which are lies and Scienctism beliefs, it's not going to get better it's getting worse from the direct result of it.

If we the people take back our government and pray unto God, he will hear us and heal our land and only then.

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

We only want so much of that you do NOT want to NOT live in a secular society.

 

[Resha Caner]

Well, I do not really know because the second amendment has been around a LOT longer than women have ( federally) been allowed to vote. This next prseidental election will mark a century as opposed to better than two.

I don't see what that has to do with it. I asked if you would still support a group that took that position. You don't have to look too far from this thread to see people who talk that way.

 

[Jay1971]

We only want so much of that you do NOT want to NOT live in a secular society.

Just giving insight of my views on the matter dogs4thewin, to me it's in plan sight if we all take hold and dig into the problem, seek the truth and when it started and why it continues to happen, if you take God out who move-in in His replace? Don't we all believe that there's good and evil and we know what's good from evil. What are the schools teaching anymore if not God or prayers.

 

[trustnfaithforever]

Perhaps this is part of the solution.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/22/safest-school-america-indiana/362210002/

 

[John Belinus]

America needs sweeping gun bans and registration. Start targeting gun owners with steep insurance.

 

[KarateCowboy]

America needs sweeping gun bans and registration. Start targeting gun owners with steep insurance.

Welcome to CF.

If you don't have the right to bear weapons, how can you delegate that right to the government?

 

[Jay1971]

Yeap! Another School shooting

'Active shooter' in custody, 2 injured at Indiana school

 

[KarateCowboy]

We need common sense media control, so these people are not inspired by other shooters.