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but there are other ways to handle it other than taking guns from people who follow the law and can be trusted with them.
Compare then, if possible, the legal and illegal drug use in your country vs the usa. In the usa, it didn't matter so much how many guns there were - it was people on mind prescribed drugs (legal!) who did the mass shootings and the school shootings ....
Just because the drugs were legal does not mean the person was using them correctly or that they were being properly watched while taking it for violent side effects.
So ? What possible difference does that make ?
Stricter firearm control does not impact those people by taking away thier guns. Rather it makes it possible to come down hard on those who break the law well before a shooting takes place. Although in NZ guns designed to kill people are not permitted.
guns designed to kill people? ANY gun could kill a person if it had live rounds in it.
Methamphetamine use in NZ is now cheaper than cigarettes and so prevelant that even one of the heaviest gangs in the country is trying to curb its use.
In NZ firearms for hunting are not generally kept loaded in the house, and bolts are stored seperately from the the weapon. So even if somebody breaks into the gun safe and steals the weapon it is no use as a firearm.
No. Guns aimed at people are not kosher. The definition of reasonable force used in self defense prohibits premeditation which having a firearm ready for use would entail. Even the Police are similarly constrained and only use firearms under certain specific circumstances. They certainly don't carry them.
See that would not fly here I would hope people are REALLY into self-defense here it is ONLY premeditation only if either A the person acts with lethal force or B if someone uses verbal threats or less than lethal force and leaves and then person B comes back and shoots them later without additional threats ( I will get you first type deal) that is illegal, but as soon as one party threats LETHAL force the other party may use equal force to stop the threat, ( in most cases you are precluded from using lethal force if you started the fight An exception there is if someone started a fight and then backed away and made an effort to leave and the other person ( that did not start the fight would not back down and threatened lethal force, then the person who started the fight may use lethal force. but you have to have made it clear that you were backing down and were no longer interested in confrontation.
Bottom line is that we have a society which, although heavily based on tribal warrior culture and potentially very violent, is not having to deal with regular mass killings.
Well, different cultures different things, but I have a feeling if self defense was not allowed in this country it would be a bloodbath sure enough. ( maybe even up to civil war round two.
You mean like when people say if guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns.
For the record truly out provoked mass shootings are very rare. When you compare. For example, to be considered a mass shooting only takes four people shot and injured/killed. This could be a group of people walking into a house and say a family of four is home and all four of them are killed during a robdery. This could be a gang war where four were injured/killed. The point is that most mass shootings are committed either during some OTHER crime or among groups that have it out for each other. VERY few mass shootings are honest to goodness unprovoked and really ( especially as many guns as are in this country those would be the only ones that gun control would have a prayer of helping, and sense as I pointed out most of the mass shootings have been people who were legally precluded from having either guns or that particular gun gun control has not seemed to be very effective.
People would not be defenseless if we would not have soft targets. I have noticed that most shootings take place in "gun free zones" not in paces where people know there is a good chance they will have fire returned to them.
