When is it gonna be enough?

[Stormy]

I am incredibly sadden by school shootings. At the same time it is impossible for me to blame the gun.

There were also explosive devises present. Others have used knifes and vans. We can not eliminate every means to extract terror and death on our children. Mental illness and lack of home supervision play a part. Also the bullying from teachers and other students did not help the explosive situation. The child was quiet, did not speak of his hurt.. Kept everything inside and exploded?

We need to have protection for our children in the schools all the time. The moments it takes for police officer response is deadly.

Also as I pray for these children and all the children, I am reminded of the ones that we kill each day out of personal convenience.

No, I am not trying to make this thread about abortion. It just that I do not understand.

 

[Archivist]

We already do that. If a criminal wants a gun, he will get one. He will steal it. Or buy one from other criminals.

Wrong. I provided a list of possibilities and no, we don’t do all of them. Selling guns to felons? There are loopholes. Selling to people under 21? In 30 states a person under 18 can legally own a gun? Automatic weapons? Not totally banned. Please tell me which of the items on my list are currently happening nationwide.

 

[Discreetuser01]

I live in Florida. Those laws apply here. There are background checks for all new gun sales. You now have to be 21. And so on. If you are a felon here, might want to steal one or buy it from another felon.

 

[dqhall]

District of Columbia rates are twice Louisiana with strong laws.

The District of Columbia is a city, not a state. DC people went to Maryland and Virginia to buy guns, using the metro system. Older siblings bought guns for kids too young to purchase guns.

 

[dqhall]

I live in Florida. Those laws apply here. There are background checks for all new gun sales. You now have to be 21. And so on. If you are a felon here, might want to steal one or buy it from another felon.

The U.S. does not have universal background checks. Private gun sellers are not required to do background checks.

 

[dqhall]

The United States has the highest homicide rate of all industrialized nations. The United States has least strict gun control laws of all industrialized nations. Louisiana has the most permissive gun control laws in the USA and the highest homicide rate of any state.
Britain banned semi-auto guns. Australia banned semi-auto guns.
Germany requires gun permits for all gun owners. No permit, no legal right to own a gun. They do background checks on everyone requesting a gun permit and have a one year waiting period.
The US should have universal background checks, gun permits and ban semi-automatic guns.
People who own guns are more likely to die of gunshot wounds than people who do not own guns.[/

Sounds to me that that is on the authorities you cannot blame the guns for that.

I don't see any sources quoted. I think your Louisiana reference is nonsense. Alaska has the highest rate.

I have seen three sources listing Louisiana as the state with the highest murder rate.
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

 

[Sibyl]

These terrible shootings in the US need to be dealt with. It is a difficult problem that requires a multifaceted solution. Some may dusagree, but I think such. A solution would would include the following:

Requiring parents to keep all firearms in a secured location, preferably under lock and key, and adopting laws that would impose serious jail time for those who fail to do so.

Banning the sale of guns and to anyone under a certain age (I would presume a minimum age of 21).

Banning gun sales to anyone who has been convicted of a felony.

Banning gun sales to anyone diagnosed with certain mental illnesses (I’m sure experts in th field could determine what illnesses).

Banning the sale and ownership of automatic weapons to civilians (don’t tell me that they are already banned—that isn’t true in all cases). I’m sure some type of buyback program could be set up so that owners would get some sort of recompense.

Require a mandatory waiting period of four weeks to purchase a gun with no exceptions.

Require ID for any gun sale.

Significantly increase penalties for any illegal gun sales. Again, this should include serious jail time.

Ban all semiautomatic weapons, or at the very least ban all assault style weapons, with a buyback for those currently owning them legally.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I live in Florida. Those laws apply here. There are background checks for all new gun sales. You now have to be 21. And so on. If you are a felon here, might want to steal one or buy it from another felon.

and that is just it. Felons ( who are intent on breaking the law). will get a gun one way or another.

 

[Discreetuser01]

I have seen three sources listing Louisiana as the state with the highest murder rate.
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

Take a look at Tallahassee Florida

 

[dogs4thewin]

The District of Columbia is a city, not a state. DC people went to Maryland and Virginia to buy guns, using the metro system. Older siblings bought guns for kids too young to purchase guns.

True, but it has it's own laws just like any other city and in this case the laws are strict on guns.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Wrong. I provided a list of possibilities and no, we don’t do all of them. Selling guns to felons? There are loopholes. Selling to people under 21? In 30 states a person under 18 can legally own a gun? Automatic weapons? Not totally banned. Please tell me which of the items on my list are currently happening nationwide.

Gun laws are a state issue, HOWEVER it is a a federal felony for felons OR people convicted of certain misdemeanor domestic violence offenses to own or process firearms.

 

[Archivist]

Gun laws are a state issue, HOWEVER it is a a federal felony for felons OR people convicted of certain misdemeanor domestic violence offenses to own or process firearms.

And, as I said, there are exceptions to those rules.

 

[Sibyl]

All of your proposals seem very reasonable except when you try to define automatic and semiautomatic guns. I propose that all automatic weapons should be banned, even for police use. Almost all guns sold in the US are semiautomatic. Magazine capacity is already limited for all forms of hunting, I think that they should also be limited for all sales. Even police weapons. That said none of these bans would have prevented the latest shooting in Texas. But I suspect that this young mans parents would have paid more attention to where their guns were if they were facing jail time.
Good thoughts.

 

[dogs4thewin]

And, as I said, there are exceptions to those rules.

and no matter what laws you impose they ONLY affect those willing to follow them.

 

[ladodgers6]

I'm not gonna be debating God and his role in the evil of this world or whatever. What I am going to say is something that needs to be said.

We've had yet another school shooting this morning in Texas. We've had yet another wicked, truly evil person walk in freely and murder eight students. If that does not outrage you, you are not human and have no pulse.

The last thing we need to offer are just "thoughts and prayers." Thoughts and prayers are not enough anymore. God hates gun violence. Period. And so should we.

How many school shootings is it going to take for the church to wake up to the fact that there are truly evil people in this world? That Satan has made it clear he is not going to play fair? Does it have to go so far as to seeing their own children murdered? I'm all for the second amendment, but is it worth defending at the cost of these kids lives?

Bottomline, this is all outrageous and disgusting. All of us, liberals, conservatives, Christians, Atheists, whatever! We all need to start sending demands our police and politicians and gun manufacturers, "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!"

I'm 100% with you on this. Seeing and hearing our kids being murdered while at school, is inexcusable. Seeing our government not reacting before this incident is mind boggling. But if it were there kids, something would have been done.

My advice everyone, is not to wait for the government or police. We as parents need to step up and take action, and volunteer at your schools. We need to organize parent meetings to work out schedules so that we take turns protecting our kids in school. It' time to take action and not wait for our governent to act.

God bless!!!

 

[dogs4thewin]

I'm 100% with you on this. Seeing and hearing our kids being murdered while at school, is inexcusable. Seeing our government not reacting before this incident is mind boggling. But if it were there kids, something would have been done.

My advice everyone, is not to wait for the government or police. We as parents need to step up and take action, and volunteer at your schools. We need to organize parent meetings to work out schedules so that we take turns protecting our kids in school. It' time to take action and not wait for our governent to act.

God bless!!!

and be armed if the government will not.

 

[Der Alte]

I have seen three sources listing Louisiana as the state with the highest murder rate.
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

I see where the disconnect is. The rates you are referring to are the number of murders per 100,000 residents. It does not distinguish between gun deaths and any other cause. For 2016 Louisiana had 543 total murders, California had the highest number at 1930. Here is a link to stats for gun deaths by state.
#1 Alaska-19.8/100k #2 Louisiana- 19.3/100k
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates

 

[dogs4thewin]

I see where the disconnect is. The rates you are referring to are the number of murders per 100,000 residents. It does not distinguish between gun deaths and any other cause. For 2016 Louisiana had 543 total murders, California had the highest number at 1930. Here is a link to stats for gun deaths by state.
#1 Alaska-19.8/100k #2 Louisiana- 19.3/100k
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates

Are we talking about gun deaths or murders? Not all gun deaths are murders and not all murders are by firearm.

 

[Albion]

How many school shootings is it going to take for the church to wake up to the fact that there are truly evil people in this world? That Satan has made it clear he is not going to play fair? Does it have to go so far as to seeing their own children murdered? I'm all for the second amendment, but is it worth defending at the cost of these kids lives?

What I am going to say is not original with me, but it bears some thought if you are serious about what you wrote. There do not seem to be many people walking into Sheriffs offices and shooting up those places. Wonder why?

If not, why do you suppose that buildings in which no guns are allowed on the premises (and usually have a sign to that effect posted prominently as well) seem to attract a lot more shooters?

Bottomline, this is all outrageous and disgusting. All of us, liberals, conservatives, Christians, Atheists, whatever! We all need to start sending demands our police and politicians and gun manufacturers, "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!"

 

[dogs4thewin]

What I am going to say is not original with me, but it bears some thought if you are serious about what you wrote. There do not seem to be many people walking into Sheriffs offices and shooting up those places. Wonder why?

If not, why do you suppose that buildings in which no guns are allowed on the premises (and usually have a sign to that effect posted prominently as well) seem to attract a lot more shooters?

I have also noticed that in general there is less gun crime where people are allowed to carry ( even if it is not in a place where people are expected to carry.