When is it gonna be enough?

[dogs4thewin]

For those who are supporting gun control in this it is worth noting that not ONLY was this particular shooter underage to buy a handgun or even a long gun, but in this case the weapon used would have been illegal even if he HAD been of age. Does that not go to show that gun control does not stop this stuff?

 

[expos4ever]

What exactly are you wanting?

What people in every other free, advanced have realized: that guns have no place in today’s society.

 

[Archivist]

and no matter what laws you impose they ONLY affect those willing to follow them.

That is like saying that we shouldn’t have laws against speeding or homicide because they only affect those willing to follow them.

 

[dogs4thewin]

What people in every other free, advanced have realized: that guns have no place in today’s society.

They have plenty of place. We defend the president with them, banks people do still hunt with them.

 

[dogs4thewin]

That is like saying that we shouldn’t have laws against speeding or homicide because they only affect those willing to follow them.

no, but if you impose laws on things like that ( guns) the only people hurt will be those willing to follow the law. The only thing gun laws do id make it harder for honest folks to protect themselves from criminals or in some rural areas nature.

 

[dqhall]

I see where the disconnect is. The rates you are referring to are the number of murders per 100,000 residents. It does not distinguish between gun deaths and any other cause. For 2016 Louisiana had 543 total murders, California had the highest number at 1930. Here is a link to stats for gun deaths by state.
#1 Alaska-19.8/100k #2 Louisiana- 19.3/100k
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates

Alaska and Louisiana lack tough gun control laws and are #1 and #2 for gun deaths. Most gun deaths are suicides. Most murders are committed by use of firearms. There is a statistical correlation between permissive gun laws and homicide rates.

One website I remember listed Louisiana as having the least strict gun laws. I found another web site today that lists both Alaska and Louisiana as in the top ten states for not restricting gun ownership:
10 states with the most lenient gun laws | Deseret News

Connecticut and California have some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. Connecticut and California and are in a top ten states for the least gun violence list:
The 10 States With the Least Gun Violence

 

[dogs4thewin]

Here is another thing to keep in mind with gun violence. This applies to homicide not suicide. We do not know how much crime did NOT happen because of guns. In other words, even if EVERY act of gun violence is reported ( which I doubt) but even if it WAS we still would only know about what HAPPENED not what did not did not happen because would be criminals knew there were likely to be some people lawfully carrying.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Alaska and Louisiana lack tough gun control laws and are #1 and #2 for gun deaths. Most gun deaths are suicides. Most murders are committed by use of firearms. There is a statistical correlation between permissive gun laws and homicide rates.

One website I remember listed Louisiana as having the least strict gun laws. I found another web site today that lists both Alaska and Louisiana as in the top ten states for not restricting gun ownership:
10 states with the most lenient gun laws | Deseret News

Connecticut and California have some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. Connecticut and California and are in a top ten states for the least gun violence list:
The 10 States With the Least Gun Violence

Yet in the cites with the highest gun violence there are STRICT gun laws

 

[Monk Brendan]

"DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!"

What? The Government does not have the power to shut down all of the gun manufacturers in the world. Buying a gun on the internet is fairly simple, and an 8 year old can order a gun from somewhere, and use his father's credit card to make the purchase. The gun is scheduled to be delivered when parents are not home, and voila, the kid has a gun.

That's not the only scenario that will allow a deranged person to get a gun. Gun shows, private purchases, getting someone else to buy a gun for you are all possible.

Saying something must be done about it, even in all caps, is not going to get anything done. What concrete steps do you think are necessary to stop school shootings?

 

[marineimaging]

I'm not gonna be debating God and his role in the evil of this world or whatever. What I am going to say is something that needs to be said.

We've had yet another school shooting this morning in Texas. We've had yet another wicked, truly evil person walk in freely and murder eight students. If that does not outrage you, you are not human and have no pulse.

The last thing we need to offer are just "thoughts and prayers." Thoughts and prayers are not enough anymore. God hates gun violence. Period. And so should we.

How many school shootings is it going to take for the church to wake up to the fact that there are truly evil people in this world? That Satan has made it clear he is not going to play fair? Does it have to go so far as to seeing their own children murdered? I'm all for the second amendment, but is it worth defending at the cost of these kids lives?

Bottomline, this is all outrageous and disgusting. All of us, liberals, conservatives, Christians, Atheists, whatever! We all need to start sending demands our police and politicians and gun manufacturers, "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!"

Please, enumerate what needs to be done? I don't mean to be smart aleck but I am tired of hearing "Enough with the prayers, politicians do something." Well, they are. The are protecting your rights and my rights in a republic where it is understood that the evil in this is not the gun but the human behind it. But, if that is not enough then please, tell congress and the senate what they need to do right here on this forum where you have an open audience. I, for one, am willing to listen. What common sense gun control measure(s) need to be implemented?

 

[expos4ever]

and be armed if the government will not.

A very legitimate argument can be made those who support the insane American gun culture have blood on their hands.

To not enact striter gun control is about the dumbest thing imaginable.

 

[Invalidusername]

If that does not outrage you, you are not human and have no pulse.

Stopped reading right there. Sorry if I am not outraged that this is the natural consequence of sin and a culture that devalues men and suppresses them.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Please, enumerate what needs to be done? I don't mean to be smart aleck but I am tired of hearing "Enough with the prayers, politicians do something." Well, they are. The are protecting your rights and my rights in a republic where it is understood that the evil in this is not the gun but the human behind it. But, if that is not enough then please, tell congress and the senate what they need to do right here on this forum where you have an open audience. I, for one, and willing to listen. What common sense gun control measure(s) need to be implemented?

I believe the media should not give so much coverage to shooters. There should be NO gun free zones ( except maybe jails/prisons and mental hospitals but no places opened to the public..

 

[dogs4thewin]

A very legitimate argument can be made those who support the insane American gun culture have blood on their hands.

To not enact striter gun control is about the dumbest thing imaginable.

Let me asks you this. If you were a criminal and meant harm would you rather go to a place where people were more likely to be able to defend themselves or less likely?

 

[expos4ever]

They have plenty of place. We defend the president with them, banks people do still hunt with them.

Ok l fine. Let bank guards abd the secrest service have guns.

Per my last post, gun culture in the USA is almost the very definition of insanity.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Ok l fine. Let bank guards abd the secrest service have guns.

Per my last post, gun culture in the USA is almost the very definition of insanity.

Gun culture is different than guns. I can have ten loaded guns in my house, but if they stay in my house and I do not take any action upon them with VERY few exceptions they will not do a darn thing. It would seem then that we would need to work on the CULTURE than banning guns.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

I'm not gonna be debating God and his role in the evil of this world or whatever. What I am going to say is something that needs to be said.

We've had yet another school shooting this morning in Texas. We've had yet another wicked, truly evil person walk in freely and murder eight students. If that does not outrage you, you are not human and have no pulse.

The last thing we need to offer are just "thoughts and prayers." Thoughts and prayers are not enough anymore. God hates gun violence. Period. And so should we.

How many school shootings is it going to take for the church to wake up to the fact that there are truly evil people in this world? That Satan has made it clear he is not going to play fair? Does it have to go so far as to seeing their own children murdered? I'm all for the second amendment, but is it worth defending at the cost of these kids lives?

Bottomline, this is all outrageous and disgusting. All of us, liberals, conservatives, Christians, Atheists, whatever! We all need to start sending demands our police and politicians and gun manufacturers, "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!"

How do you know God hates gun violence?

God used gun violence to free this country from Britain.

God used gun violence to free Europe from Hitler, and bigger gun violence from battleships to keep your grandparents and parents(s) free from having to speak Japanese from birth on American west coast.

What else? You cannot say God hates gun violence. Be honest and say YOU hate gun violence and stop lying in the Name of God.

 

[dogs4thewin]

How do you know God hates gun violence?

God used gun violence to free this country from Britain.

God used gun violence to free Europe from Hitler, and bigger gun violence from battleships to keep your grandparents and parents(s) free from having to speak Japanese from birth on American west coast.

What else? You cannot say God hates gun violence. Be honest and say YOU hate gun violence and stop lying in the Name of God.

Well, in a way you are both right. God hates violence, but realizes that in a fallen world that is sometimes what it takes to bring peace.

 

[timewerx]

I'm not gonna be debating God and his role in the evil of this world or whatever. What I am going to say is something that needs to be said.

We've had yet another school shooting this morning in Texas. We've had yet another wicked, truly evil person walk in freely and murder eight students. If that does not outrage you, you are not human and have no pulse.

The last thing we need to offer are just "thoughts and prayers." Thoughts and prayers are not enough anymore. God hates gun violence. Period. And so should we.

How many school shootings is it going to take for the church to wake up to the fact that there are truly evil people in this world? That Satan has made it clear he is not going to play fair? Does it have to go so far as to seeing their own children murdered? I'm all for the second amendment, but is it worth defending at the cost of these kids lives?

Bottomline, this is all outrageous and disgusting. All of us, liberals, conservatives, Christians, Atheists, whatever! We all need to start sending demands our police and politicians and gun manufacturers, "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!"

Schools in America are very evil these days. It's like Soddom and Gomorrah as my cousin puts it when she went to USA in a student exchange program.

And then there's rampant bullying of all kinds.

It's a very evil and very negative environment. It's not surprising that these things (shootings) happen in US schools very often. You sow what you reap.

Fix the immorality issues, fix bullying, then maybe these things will stop. Just saying and condolences to the parents and everyone affected.

 

[HisPrincess710]

To everyone who wants to know why I'm so passionate about this...

I have a niece who just turned three. I have a nephew who will be seven in this year. I have another nephew who just celebrated his first birthday and a third on the way.

I don't want to have to wake up or come home or receive a call to hear someone came in and shot them at school, in public, wherever. They may not be my children, but they're the children of my brother and sister. When someone you love hurts that badly, it will hurt you just as much.

I'm sick and tired of all the back and forth yelling instead of putting aside politics and talking about how we can protect innocent people. There's a difference between gun violence and gun warfare. People who do not have any military training, people who are ordinary civilians, should not be able to purchase military style weapons.

So what if knives, bats, and cars also kill? When doing it with a gun, you do it from a distance, you detach yourself, you become desensitized, you don't get any blood on you. Cars are not consciously designed to kill. There are kitchen knives and baseball bats. Guns by their very nature require you to view the world through a lethal lens to the point where you might murder someone who's just reaching for their phone.

I'm not saying stop the manufacturing of guns. I'm saying we need to take responsibility. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over again. Neither more guns nor less guns are the answer.

Here’s one thing all Evangelicals — and Christians of every stripe, actually — hold to be true: humans are sinful. They cannot stop being sinful. They will always be sinful. This is why, according to the Christian gospel, the Father deployed his Son and that Son died; to take the rap for sin. If any human could have found a way to live a perfect life, then that sacrifice would not have been necessary. The sinfulness of all humanity is one of Christianity’s foundational beliefs.

Given that, why do so many Christians, particularly those on the right, so steadfastly oppose any kind of meaningful gun control? It’s true that guns don’t kill people on their own. People kill people. But since Christians believe that people cannot be perfected this side of Glory, why not limit the harm we fallen people are able to do? We can only change one side of the equation, and that’s the gun side.

Compare the Christian attitude to guns to the Christian attitude to marriage. It is not in the nature of mammals to be monogamous, and yet churches support marriage, offer couples counseling, discourage the watching of pornography or the solicitation of prostitutes or the secret affair. Churches acknowledge people are not perfect, so they endorse the introduction of some guardrails to help them do less damage to those around them. They promote some limitations on freedom to stop people getting hurt. Yes, the Lord said go forth and multiply, but Christian people do not then take that to mean you have the right to have children with whomever you wish at any time, after a three-day waiting period.

Or let’s look at the Christian perspective on giving. Traditionally, Christians believe in the tithe. That is, they give up 10% of their income to the church or some godly purpose. The thinking behind this is that since everything humans have comes from God, they are merely returning to God what is God’s. To hoard money is to rely on something other than God. To give it away is to acknowledge that God is the ultimate provider. So why do Christians rely on guns for protection at all times? Do Christians believe guns are stronger than God?

Why not then give up even 10% of the access to guns — say, just the semi-automatics?

Even so, I still have faith in the Christian God, but I've lost my faith in Evangelicals. I'm neither left nor right, conservative or liberal. I radically disagree with both parties. Politics has become way too toxic. But this is something no one can stay silent on. Not when innocent lives are being threatened.

God loves children, he loves the brokenhearted, he loves those in suffering and mourning. Why can't we?