When is it Ethical to kill?

[EnemyPartyII]

Considering Homosexuals only make up between 4-6% of the population, I think this crusade idea is going to be a hard slog.

 

[Zeena]

No actually I'm for Gay Supremacy over all other types of people since we alone possess superior morality.

And here I thought only God alone possessed Superior morality

 

[Beanieboy]

Some individuals who claim to be Christian have committed violence against homosexuals, which is tragic. This is not the same as saying that Christians are suborning Genocide. I haven't met one Christian who advocates violence against homosexuals. It's not like we're pushing walls over on homosexuals. Perhaps you should go demonstrate in Iran.

When I was in Minneapolis, I used to listen to Conservative Christian Radio, since my mom listened to it all the time, and believed everything they said.
When Shephard was murdered, many states were trying to include Sexual Orientation to the Hate Crimes bill. The Christian DJ said, "That's saying that it is worse to kill a homosexual!" Sexual orientation includes ALL orientations, including heterosexuals, but there aren't a lot of gay people going around killing straight people. What the DJ refused to admit is that Religion is covered under Hate Crimes law. She simply didn't want it to be extended to Sexual Orientation, protecting her gay neighbor.

She might not have blatantly advocated violence, but she was not admitting that it was a problem in the country, nor offering any compassion, mercy, or support of protection for a group that is clearly targetted for violence. She argued that "all crimes are Hate Crimes", while, again, ignoring that Hate Crime legislation exists, just (at the time) did not include sexual orientation. She did not admit that there is 1st degree Murder, 2nd degree Murder, 3rd Degree Murder, Manslaughter, and Homicide, all which deal with the criminal intent - the "thought police" behind the crime.

In the eyes of God, if one takes an instance like Shephard, and then argues that Sexual Orientation should not be included, ignores the implications of such a statement, falsely says that it would may kiling gay people are more serious crime (when in previous years, the "gay panic defense" made it a less serious crime than killing a heterosexual), seeming to blame the victim, one has to wonder if God doesn't see the person as guilty as the murderer themselves, since their heart is so hardened even in the midst of such a tragedy.

 

[Trevorocity]

And here I thought only God alone possessed Superior morality

Relatively speaking of course.

 

[Zeena]

Relatively speaking of course.

How is your morality relative to the Lord's?

 

[Zeena]

There's nothing to disagree with. I am what I am and its not a choice. It is unfair to demand that I change to adapt to the narrow-minded opinions of stupid idiot morons who can't tell the difference between their butt and a hole in the ground.

Was it fair that Jesus both suffered and died for you?

Romans 12:1-3
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

As for the OP;

No, it's not eithical to murder [yes, I contrude what you've described as murder, and premeditated at that], nor is it ethical to judge!

 

[Trevorocity]

How is your morality relative to the Lord's?

Relatively superior to those who have embraced the heterosexual lifestyle choice is what that means.

 

[Trevorocity]

Considering Homosexuals only make up between 4-6% of the population, I think this crusade idea is going to be a hard slog.

Well you have to consider the natural advantages homosexuals posess. Remember we already control the government, courts, and the media... apparently. 4-6% of the population can't do that unless they're already exceptional. Moreover 4-6% is a margin of error estimate. Nobody is really sure exactly how many of us there are. And as most of us spent a good portion of our lives attempting to blend in and stay hidden we make natural sleeper agents. When the Ghetto Acts are passed San Francisco and other large gay communities will be rounded up and sent to internment camps of course. But we're actually everywhere. Why just imagine there are homosexuals in every state, every city, every school...every...church. MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

 

[MarcusHill]

Trev, you're either a troll or in serious need of a psychiatrist. Seriously, no person I've known, gay or straight, has come up with ideas as bizarre as the ones you're espousing on this thread without laughing.

 

[Trevorocity]

Trev, you're either a troll or in serious need of a psychiatrist. Seriously, no person I've known, gay or straight, has come up with ideas as bizarre as the ones you're espousing on this thread without laughing.

I'm going for the silver medal at the crazy Olympics. My competitor is ShieldOfFaith but I think he's got the gold wrapped up.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Should homosexuals kill "Christians" who persecute them? And when is it appropriate to do so? Since "Christians" are subborning genocide is it justifiable to kill them to prevent them from gaining control of the government? Discuss.

Homosexuals are themselves their own worst enemy considering the high rates of STDs they give each other and death from AIDS from their high rate of promiscuity and partners(homosexuals have much higher partners in their lifetime compared to heretosexuals)

 

[Trevorocity]

Homosexuals are themselves their own worst enemy considering the high rates of STDs they give each other and death from AIDS from their high rate of promiscuity and partners(homosexuals have much higher partners in their lifetime compared to heretosexuals)

Right you are. The solution of course is to legalize same-sex marriage nationwide. This will add the threat of divorce to gay relationships and cut down on the Promiscuity ("Christian" lie) and disease rates (average) and HIV infections rates. Then young gay students can be easily integrated into the Abstinance Until Marriage education that worked so well for Governor Palin's daughter...till it didn't.

 

[LittleNipper]

Right you are. The solution of course is to legalize same-sex marriage nationwide. This will add the threat of divorce to gay relationships and cut down on the Promiscuity ("Christian" lie) and disease rates (average) and HIV infections rates. Then young gay students can be easily integrated into the Abstinance Until Marriage education that worked so well for Governor Palin's daughter...till it didn't.

The good Governor loves her daughter. And expecting someone to do what is right will not mean that sin will not occure. Sadly, that daughter's actions may just cost her mom an election. So that proves what two people do, can and does often have a effect beyond the range of a "consenting" couple.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Right you are. The solution of course is to legalize same-sex marriage nationwide. This will add the threat of divorce to gay relationships and cut down on the Promiscuity ("Christian" lie) and disease rates (average) and HIV infections rates. Then young gay students can be easily integrated into the Abstinance Until Marriage education that worked so well for Governor Palin's daughter...till it didn't.

No marriage won't solve that. There was a study in sweden done on "married' same sex couples and it was found that promiscuity was just as high. It seems most gay people look at you with disgust when the word "monogamy" is brought up as if it was a swear word.

Also homosexuals kill christians and other peoples too. John wayne Gacy , Donald Harvy, Erik menendez, Jeffery Dahmer...

The Jesse Dirkhising incident is a good example. It happened also during the Matthew Shepard incident also. Yet it got zero media airtime. Double standard?

 

[Trevorocity]

The good Governor loves her daughter. And expecting someone to do what is right will not mean that sin will not occure. Sadly, that daughter's actions may just cost her mom an election. So that proves what two people do, can and does often have a effect beyond the range of a "consenting" couple.

That's right. Since they are no more promiscuous than straiggots are anyway marriage will work wonders. Yes even though its true that 55% of Evangelical "Christians" get divorced compared to 6% for homosexuals marriage is still important even though straiggots don't treat it as such. Homosexuals are just better at honoring their marriage vows than straight "Christian" hypocrites are.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

That's right. Since they are no more promiscuous than straiggots are anyway marriage will work wonders. Yes even though its true that 55% of Evangelical "Christians" get divorced compared to 6% for homosexuals marriage is still important even though straiggots don't treat it as such. Homosexuals are just better at honoring their marriage vows than straight "Christian" hypocrites are.

70% of the US identifys as christian. Many who identify as christian because they were born into it or were baptized. Dosen't mean they are living like christians. Many self professing christians in the US do not really follow the bible or even read it.

Orthodox christian countrys like Macedonia/Greece, Italy and Armenia have the lowest divorce rate in the world however. We see here that its the secular culture in the US that is hurting familys and helping cause divorce, especially with things like abortion, bad family values and feminism rampant in the US. Gay marriage will further weaken our already weak moral family values we have for ourselves, our parenting and our children we raise.

 

[Trevorocity]

No marriage won't solve that. There was a study in sweden done on "married' same sex couples and it was found that promiscuity was just as high. It seems most gay people look at you with disgust when the word "monogamy" is brought up as if it was a swear word.

I think you're going to have to produce a link to this study in order to substantiate your claim. As it stands I was unable to find any information regarding a so-called "Swedish" study of gay couples to support your claim. I did however find a few which indicated promiscuity rates declining nationwide after the advent of civil partnerships

I believe you're thinking of the infamous "Dutch Study" which Fundamentalist "Christians" often misuse to portray homosexuals as HIV infected harlots. Curious thing about that study: it specifically excluded men over the age of 30 (more likely to be "settled down") AND men who described themselves as "Mongamously Coupled", in a civil partnership or same-sex marriage (Xirdou et al).

Also homosexuals kill christians and other peoples too. John wayne Gacy , Donald Harvy, Erik menendez, Jeffery Dahmer...

Sure there are homosexual killers, but the numbers are no where near proportional to the percent of the Heterosexual community who are killers. 97% of all prisoners are Heterosexuals. Clearly there is something wrong with the Heterosexual Lifestyle Choice.

The Jesse Dirkhising incident is a good example. It happened also during the Matthew Shepard incident also. Yet it got zero media airtime. Double standard?

Good example of very few crimes committed by Homosexuals, and not at all generalizable to the entire Homosexual Community. Sorry.

 

[LittleNipper]

That's right. Since they are no more promiscuous than straiggots are anyway marriage will work wonders. Yes even though its true that 55% of Evangelical "Christians" get divorced compared to 6% for homosexuals marriage is still important even though straiggots don't treat it as such. Homosexuals are just better at honoring their marriage vows than straight "Christian" hypocrites are.

I know that it's wrong for Christians to get divorced. A vow is a vow and an excuse is an excuse. As for 6% of Homosexual marriages ending in divorce ----- well one, Christians have been getting married for 2000 years. How many years have homosexuals been getting married? Two, how long do they both live together before one or the other dies from something they may have caught somewhere?

 

[Trevorocity]

70% of the US identifys as christian. Many who identify as christian because they were born into it or were baptized. Dosen't mean they are living like christians. Many self professing christians in the US do not really follow the bible or even read it.

Orthodox christian countrys like Macedonia/Greece, Italy and Armenia have the lowest divorce rate in the world however. We see here that its the secular culture in the US that is hurting familys and helping cause divorce, especially with things like abortion, bad family values and feminism rampant in the US. Gay marriage will further weaken our already weak moral family values we have for ourselves, our parenting and our children we raise.

Actually in countries which allow same-sex marriage or civil partnerships the state of marriage has advanced. Not just for same-sex couples but all couples as a whole. Fundamentalist "Christians" love to make the claim that there will be rampant divorce and out-of-wedlock births and straights will no longer get married if same-sex marriage or civil unions are allowed. But its just not true. The following statistics were easily derived from government statistical databases in their respective countries:

Denmark:

Note the steady rise in marriage rates following the introduction of domestic partnerships (not called marriage)

Sweden:

Another interesting rise in the number of marriages Fundamentalists claim is not happening...

Norway (Divorces)

Oh NOEZ! Divorces and Separations declining immediately following Same-Sex Civil Unions! GASP Teh Bible can't be wrong though!

 

[Trevorocity]

I know that it's wrong for Christians to get divorced. A vow is a vow and an excuse is an excuse. As for 6% of Homosexual marriages ending in divorce ----- well one, Christians have been getting married for 2000 years. How many years have homosexuals been getting married? Two, how long do they both live together before one or the other dies from something they may have caught somewhere?

Difficult to quantify. Even countries which now offer civil marriages to same-sex couples frequently had some previous form of partner recognition such as civil unions or domestic partnerships. And not all gay couples now married sought to solemnize their relationship in any way prior; they just lived together. Since gay lifespans are comperable to straights in all respects one would assume divorce rates would eventually be comperable on a long enough timeline. Time will tell.