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When is it Ethical to kill?

Should homosexuals KILL "Christians"?

  • No, even though they would destroy me without hesitation it would be wrong.

  • Absolutely, they started this war now its on.

  • I don't have an opinion because I'm too indecisive to decide which pair of socks to wear.

  • turn the other cheek or some other stupid rot-gut


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BobW188

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I think the self-proclaimed Christians you are describing may be in for a disappointing surprise when they see Him face to face.
A cornerstone of the Christian faith is that we all deserve death and that we have done and can do nothing to earn salvation. We are also told unambiguously that as we judge, so we will be judged.
I wonder if perhaps you don't need to work on your Christians stereotype as badly as some of us need to work on our homosexual stereotypes, racial and gender stereotypes, etc, etc, and (alas) ad inf.
 
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I'm sure few Christians would speak openly of their desire to cause physical harm to my people. But the sentiment is there lurking beneath the plastic smiles and hallelujah's. Most "Christian" men if they saw two men holding hands on the street would want to bash their "sinful" faces in. Most "Christian" women would shriek about having their children exposed to these "perverts" and wonder why no one stops them. It only takes a national crisis and irrational hysteria to translate those feelings of resentment and loathing into a need to find a scapegoat.

Why is it that every time gay rights are taken away there is a predictable rise in hate-crimes against them? BECAUSE the more violent members of your community feel emboldened to act, thinking they have the will of the majority on their side.

As for Iran: if it were in my power I would strip the land bare of every tree and every plant and salt the earth to punish those animals for what they've done. As I don't have an army behind me (yet), I have no choice but to rely upon the decency of Western nations to end the execution of gay citizens in Iran. So far that hasn't been very promising. When Iran executed 26 gay men (some as young as 13) did we even hear a peep of protest from American "Christians"? Nope, they just stood by silently smiling to themselves because Iran "knew what to do about their homosexual problem."



I am afraid that you are sadly misinformed about Christians and Christianity. You will be in my prayers.
FYI. There are many of us (I would guess the majority) who abhor violence against anyone including homosexuals.

I notice you carry a Christian Icon, Do you advocate violence against homosexuals?
 
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I think the self-proclaimed Christians you are describing may be in for a disappointing surprise when they see Him face to face.
A cornerstone of the Christian faith is that we all deserve death and that we have done and can do nothing to earn salvation. We are also told unambiguously that as we judge, so we will be judged.
I wonder if perhaps you don't need to work on your Christians stereotype as badly as some of us need to work on our homosexual stereotypes, racial and gender stereotypes, etc, etc, and (alas) ad inf.

Well said my new friend.

Tommy
 
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I am afraid that you are sadly misinformed about Christians and Christianity. You will be in my prayers.
FYI. There are many of us (I would guess the majority) who abhor violence against anyone including homosexuals.

I notice you carry a Christian Icon, Do you advocate violence against homosexuals?

No actually I'm for Gay Supremacy over all other types of people since we alone possess superior morality. We don't breed accidentally or have abortions and our relationships provide better stability, partner equality, and prosperity. But that's neither here nor there. If you've ever said, "Well I don't have anything personal against homosexuals but I don't approve of their sinful lifestyle" you're but one, tiny, step from issuing a fatwah condemning them to death.
 
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Trevorocity said:
Should homosexuals kill "Christians" who persecute them? And when is it appropriate to do so? Since "Christians" are subborning genocide is it justifiable to kill them to prevent them from gaining control of the government? Discuss.

If the homosexual person in question is being violently and viciously attacked, and believes themselves to be in extreme danger, then I think it is justifiable to kill in self-defence. That's the answer I would give irregardless of who the victim was, whatever religion the attacker was. Of course in general situations when one's life is not being threatened, I believe murder is wrong. Being persecuted or oppressed is a horrible state of being and should be fought against, but I definitely don't think murder is the way to do it, especially on a large, general scale as suggested. No, it's not okay to murder people who control the government. There are many peaceful ways to achieve political ends; unless you're in a situation like Rwanda, when it's kill or be killed, it's wrong to murder. Even then, I should hope the human response to having to kill would be one of sincere regret for the dire situation, not pleasure taken from the murder.
 
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On that day she left I watched as my brother's heart was broken. I swore an oath that I would NEVER be afraid to love. I would rather die than deny what I am. I love another man and I'm not ashamed to say it! In fact I'm proud. And I would destroy all humanity and all the gods to preserve the love I have, and I will NEVER give it up! If the rest of you can't abide that then so be it...you are my enemy and you'll suffer as no other has before or since.

The trouble is, if you go round killing homophobes, it just gives the rest of them more ammunition and justification to attack the innocent. I'm sorry I don't think this is the answer and would only serve to inflame any tensions that exist.


It is the opposite of what one would think: inhaling sunshine, exhaling the bad stuff. I thought it was a stupid exercise, but my boss was driving me crazy, and I really began to hate her. It stayed with me after work, and I didn't want that, so I began the exercise, begrudgingly. I inhaled her dark, stormy smoke, and exhaled sunlight, wondering why I should be kind to someone so cruel to me. Soon, I began to feel compassion for her. I stopped being angry, and started seeing that she was unhappy. I saw that she was insecure. The focus began to be on my loving kindness to her, rather than her actions toward me. And I felt myself begin to lighten, to heal, and rather than having smoke inside me, I had brilliant light, and peace.

So, that is my opinion and approach. I don't want to give anyone a reason to see me as a true threat, and justify their fear or hatred. Rather, I want to humble myself, come in peace, and trust that love is stronger than fear, and pray for their change of heart.

That is a good way of looking at it. I like to think I'm not averse to self improvement, and last few days, I have been trying to make an effort to not be overly critical of people who I feel have bad attitudes. Getting into verbal slanging matches with them, or even worse, kicking their butts, isn't going to make their problems go away. It's not always easy to bite your tongue when you come across someone you dislike, especially if they are being disrespectful, but I'm starting to realise behind every bad attitude is some deep personal problems, so having that knowledge does make it a little easier to be understanding. Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly no saint yet, but that's kinda the direction I'd like to take myself. Hmmm, Saint Stan, I like the sound of that! ^_^
 
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Once my brother was in love with a beautiful, kind girl he had known since they were both children but he was afraid to ask her to go out with him. I said to him, "why don't you just ask her? Perhaps she will say 'yes' and go out with you, later the two of you may just fall in love and you'll be married." He just shook his head. "No," he said, "I'm too ugly and not good enough for her, what if she said 'no'? I couldn't bear it if she rejected me so I would rather not risk asking". So he never asked her. However they remained friends despite his unrequited love. Years passed and she was eventually married to another man and had his children. One night he finally confessed his love for her. She said to him, "Why didn't you tell me this years ago? I loved you, I would have married you! But you never even gave me the chance, and now I can no longer bear to look at you!" She and her family left and we've never seen nor heard from her again. In consequence, because of his cowardice, my brother had lost the only woman and friend he had ever truly loved.

On that day she left I watched as my brother's heart was broken. I swore an oath that I would NEVER be afraid to love. I would rather die than deny what I am. I love another man and I'm not ashamed to say it! In fact I'm proud. And I would destroy all humanity and all the gods to preserve the love I have, and I will NEVER give it up! If the rest of you can't abide that then so be it...you are my enemy and you'll suffer as no other has before or since.

If you love so deeply you would not have an urge to kill innocent civillians who also have powerful, deep love for their families and friends.


I'm sure few Christians would speak openly of their desire to cause physical harm to my people. But the sentiment is there lurking beneath the plastic smiles and hallelujah's. Most "Christian" men if they saw two men holding hands on the street would want to bash their "sinful" faces in. Most "Christian" women would shriek about having their children exposed to these "perverts" and wonder why no one stops them. It only takes a national crisis and irrational hysteria to translate those feelings of resentment and loathing into a need to find a scapegoat.

What kind of Christians do you know? I know of dozens of Christians, including myself, who are friends with gay couples, who invite gay couples in to their home for movie nights or birthday parties or other events, who work and hang out with them.

They don't mind one bit if a gay couple is holding hands. They don't mind if their children see it.

You know what would cause a national hysteria? If a fringe political group started killing people they didn't like.


Why is it that every time gay rights are taken away there is a predictable rise in hate-crimes against them? BECAUSE the more violent members of your community feel emboldened to act, thinking they have the will of the majority on their side.

Any stats on this? About what part of the world are you speaking?

As for Iran: if it were in my power I would strip the land bare of every tree and every plant and salt the earth to punish those animals for what they've done. As I don't have an army behind me (yet), I have no choice but to rely upon the decency of Western nations to end the execution of gay citizens in Iran. So far that hasn't been very promising. When Iran executed 26 gay men (some as young as 13) did we even hear a peep of protest from American "Christians"? Nope, they just stood by silently smiling to themselves because Iran "knew what to do about their homosexual problem."

What are you talking about? There are some fringe political groups who support the insane actions taken in Iran, but most Western nations are appalled by what happened.

And what would killing babies, children, girls and boys - girls who may be lesbians, boys who may be gay - and innocent women and innocent men really do? It wouldn't bring justice. It would be genocide.

No actually I'm for Gay Supremacy over all other types of people since we alone possess superior morality. We don't breed accidentally or have abortions and our relationships provide better stability, partner equality, and prosperity. But that's neither here nor there. If you've ever said, "Well I don't have anything personal against homosexuals but I don't approve of their sinful lifestyle" you're but one, tiny, step from issuing a fatwah condemning them to death.

Actually, some lesbians may abort if they find they cannot safely a carry a child to term.

There are some studies that show that legal unions between homosexuals are just as stable as legal unions between heterosexuals, but there is no conclusive evidence that homosexuals are superior. Homosexuals who are accepted into their community are more likely to be healthy, happy, hardworking, law-abiding, contributing members of society, just like Jews who are accepted into their communities, or any other ethnicity, race, religion, etc.

Homosexuals, just like heterosexuals, come in a wide variety. It takes all kinds. Supremacy has been proven to be a faulty, bloody, deadly disaster time and time again.

And I have to ask... are you actualy serious? Or is this thread just meant to offend? Or are you in pain that needs to be dealt with by a medical professional? Please find what is hurting you so much and try to solve that before you advocate -whether in jest or for real - the cold-blooded murder of other humans.
 
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I know many who are against homosexuality that are in general good, loving people.
So how could they be so prejudiced against other people being happy, it comes from ignorance. Do I think killing an ignorant person is the way to stop bigotry and ignorance..of course not. Educating people is the way to get rid of ignorance.
Some are very, very stubborn though and want to remain in ignorance so it requires much patience from the ones on the recieving end of the hatred. I know it is not fair, but it seems better to me to reach out in love rather than violence.
The best revenge for bigotry, the best revenge period is living a good life and letting others see this so that they can be ashamed for the way they treat you.
 
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If you love so deeply you would not have an urge to kill innocent civillians who also have powerful, deep love for their families and friends.
Yeah and while we are out there wearing flowers in our hair and singing songs about peace and love truly wicked men would plot our destruction. I'm not buying it. Obviously this is some time off in the future after the state of western decay has become irreversible. Probably after either Obama or McCain ruins this country. I'll actually be long gone by then if it happens that way.
 
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No actually I'm for Gay Supremacy over all other types of people since we alone possess superior morality. We don't breed accidentally or have abortions and our relationships provide better stability, partner equality, and prosperity. But that's neither here nor there. If you've ever said, "Well I don't have anything personal against homosexuals but I don't approve of their sinful lifestyle" you're but one, tiny, step from issuing a fatwah condemning them to death.

You mean like the Fatwah you are crying out for?

No can't get on board with you, you will lose your little crusade. I only hope that someday you get to know Christ.
 
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It doesn't matter if someone says they will kill you in a heartbeat. You CAN'T go off and kill them!!! (BTW, I just watched a very good Law & Order that explored the question you are asking--when is it okay to kill someone who is obviously violent and malicious?)

Everyone has groups persecuting them. There are people who aren't Christians who want to kill homosexuals. Does that mean you should go and kill them too? KILLING someone is just straight up wrong. If someone makes threats against you, you don't need to KILL them and take their life away. You simply need to avoid them or isolate them so they can't get to you. You could take these perfectly reasonable actions through the process of the law. KILLING people who threaten you is just vigilantism. Like stated by others, you become the very thing you are trying to destroy when you stoop to their level.
 
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No actually I'm for Gay Supremacy over all other types of people since we alone possess superior morality. We don't breed accidentally or have abortions and our relationships provide better stability, partner equality, and prosperity. But that's neither here nor there. If you've ever said, "Well I don't have anything personal against homosexuals but I don't approve of their sinful lifestyle" you're but one, tiny, step from issuing a fatwah condemning them to death.

Again you carry a Christian Icon, and yet claim that all Christians advocate the genocide of homosexuals, so by your reasoning you either are fraudulently using the christian icon or you advocate for the genocide of homosexuals. Which is it?
 
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Wow... I've just read through some of your posts (Trevorocity), and I just have to say that I not in any way offended by your homosexuality, but your militant activism and blatant disregard for those outside your community is absolutely appalling. You are espousing Gay Supremacy? That is such a perversion of common decency and human understanding (let alone the Christian faith!!!) that I am really concerned for you. I am telling you now, that you are only harming your cause. If every gay person was as militant as you (where do you even come up with the question: When can I kill someone who hates me?), then your cause would be squandered instantly. Thankfully, there are some reasonable people out there.

I don't even mean to give you the whole "That's not REAL Christianity" deal, because I'm not very orthodox myself. BUT I think it's a pretty fundamental principle of Christianity that you love your neighbor and FORGIVE others -- no matter WHAT they did/do. If you can't do those things, then you really aren't a Christian and are counterproductive to every cause you stand for (Christian, Gay, whatever). Christ didn't say to do those things "just because". IMO, the Christian walk is really the most effective and rational way to treat those around you. You'd be amazed by actually listening to what Jesus said. It seems that your religion is homosexuality and you happen to be a Christian. I think it's quite obvious that you are going to espouse the gay agenda first and foremost above anything else you stand for. Look. I'm totally cool with you being gay. But don't shove it in my face and tell me how I should deal with people that are different from me.
 
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I'm not hearing a 'no'...
A no to what?

By the way answer the question. You carry a Christian Icon yet claim that all
Christians support genocide against homosexuals. So which is it, are you fraudulently using the Christian Icon or are you willing to admit that not all Christians are calling for such a genocide?
 
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A no to what?

By the way answer the question. You carry a Christian Icon yet claim that all
Christians support genocide against homosexuals. So which is it, are you fraudulently using the Christian Icon or are you willing to admit that not all Christians are calling for such a genocide?

I wasn't going to play this card but since you insist on forcing my hand here it is: my Christian Icon represents real Christianity. Not that phoney civil "Christianity" that passes for faith in American life. Sure there are some Christians who aren't ogre's but they're the minority. Also try to get up to speed. When you see "Christians" and not: Christians, those are scary quotes. What they mean is "Not really" like when fundamentalist "Christians" refer to same-sex marriage as: same-sex "marriage". True its a subtle distinction, but no less insulting.
 
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