When Exactly Is the Rapture?

[ForeverSaved]

Indeed, he comes in judgement as we see in Matthew 25.

His coming begins in the clouds at first rapture, martyrs are raptured individually through the Tribulation and there is the 7th trumpet rapture at the end.

Matt. 24.37,40-41 shows this. And Rev. 12.5.

Firsfruits and latter harvest.

 

[L0U]

the rapture is simply a bad word

The word rapture is simply the English translation of the Latin word 'rapere' which means "to carry off" or "catch up".
'Rapere' is the Latin translation of the Greek word 'harpazo' which also means to "-catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force)." (Strongs)

 

[ForeverSaved]

Well forever, if you would apply some of that insight that you think you have you would see that R.J.S. is talking about the first coming 2000 years ago and second coming of the Lord in the future.

Be "not doubletongued" (1 Tim. 3.8) for you can see why I had to say what was said since you made the mistake saying there are not two second comings of Christ when you said not "two more times", for obviously there is not, yet your flesh accuses anyway. You can't have it both ways.

 

[L0U]

Be "not doubletongued" (1 Tim. 3.8) for you can see why I had to say what was said since you made the mistake saying there are not two second comings of Christ.

There are not 'two second comings'.

 

[ForeverSaved]

There are not 'two second comings'.

I already said that, so why accuse? You would be sinning.

 

[L0U]

Your confusion shows your sin bearing false witness.

Parousia of Christ is a process to rapture those who are overcomers in the church at first rapture. Christ is in the clouds. Then the rest of Christians are raptured at the 7th trumpet. Then Christ returns with His Holy Myriads (Jude 14-15) and steps down on the mount of olives.

His second coming is one time. Many do not have faith to see this.

IT IS WRITTEN:

"this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."
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They saw Him go from the Mount of Olives to heaven. And 'in like manner' He will come from heaven to the Mount of Olives.

I really believe that your Bible is collecting way to much dust.

 

[ForeverSaved]

IT IS WRITTEN:

"this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."






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They saw Him go from the Mount of Olives to heaven. And 'in like manner' He will come from heaven to the Mount of Olives.




I really believe that your Bible is collecting way to much dust.

I believe this verse, so why accuse like that great accuser? It is a sin to be a false accuser. Your fruit is false.

Christians the wheat, are always attacked by the tares nonsensically.

 

[L0U]

I believe this verse, so why accuse like that great accuser?

You are the one teaching of a coming before the coming spoken of in Acts 1:11.

Parousia of Christ is a process to rapture those who are overcomers in the church at first rapture. Christ is in the clouds. Then the rest of Christians are raptured at the 7th trumpet. Then Christ returns with His Holy Myriads (Jude 14-15) and steps down on the mount of olives.

 

[ForeverSaved]

You are the one teaching of a coming before the coming spoken of in Acts 1:11.

There is not a coming before His coming. Why sin falsey accusing? You love sin.

 

[L0U]

There is not a coming before His coming.

Then why are you teaching of one other than the one in Acts 1:11?

 

[ForeverSaved]

Then why are you teaching of one other than the one in Acts 1:11?

Why are you sinning accusing that I am teaching another when I am not? Sin owns you.

 

[L0U]

Why are you sinning accusing that I am teaching another when I am not? Sin owns you.

It would only be sin if the accusation was false and by the following it is shown not to be false:

Christ comes first through parousia beginning at first rapture.

it is evident that there are at least two raptures: for note that the first passage suggests rapture before the Tribulation because one must be watchful since he does not know when his Lord will come; while the second passage suggests rapture after the Tribulation because one knows when the day of the Lord shall come.

Knowing that the Lord would not come before the end of the three and a half year's period...

the first passage suggests rapture before the Tribulation because one must be watchful since he does not know when his Lord will come...

Need I say more?

 

[ForeverSaved]

Lou, you should be thinking now how you misunderstand what is going on. This is the road to humility to see what you have not been able to see up to this point.

Can you allow your mind to be more expansive? Will you? Or will you continue to block the Holy Spirit from showing you? It is your choice. God will not force you or premake you to understand what can be seen if you repent.

 

[ForeverSaved]

It would only be sin if the accusation was false and by the following it is shown not to be false:









Need I say more?

You have not said anything. And what I have said is true, which you accuse, showing your sin.

 

[L0U]

Parousia of Christ is a process to rapture those who are overcomers in the church at first rapture.

Well, according to the very Word's of the Lord the 'parousia' occurrs AFTER the great tribulation:

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."




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Jesus warned of false prophet and false teacher who would be teaching of ANOTHER coming prior to this coming that HE taught us:

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming (parousia) of the Son of man be."




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The context of these warnings by our Lord is both during and after "the tribulation of those days" i.e, "great tribulation".


These Biblical facts should not be denied but I'm sure they will be.

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[ForeverSaved]

Well, according to the very Word's of the Lord the 'parousia' occurrs the great tribulation:

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."








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Jesus warned of false prophet and false teacher who would be teaching of ANOTHER coming prior to this coming that HE taught us:

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming (parousia) of the Son of man be."








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The context of these warnings by our Lord is both during and after "the tribulation of those days" i.e, "great tribulation".

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These words are true.



But, do you not realize you are that false prophet? You should and why. Don't shut your mind down to first rapture otherwise you are looking for the Antichrist first in your life.

 

[L0U]

But, do you not realize you are that false prophet?

I'm not the one teaching of a coming prior to the tribulation. Jesus taught of His PAROUSIA AFTER the tribulation, not before.

Don't shut your mind down to first rapture otherwise you are looking for the Antichrist first

Oh, you mean like how the apostle John expected anti-Christ to come before Christ:

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.".......These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you."


"And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming."





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anti-Christ first, then Christ.

 

[ForeverSaved]

I'm not the one teaching of a coming prior to the tribulation. Jesus taught of His PAROUSIA AFTER the tribulation, not before.



Oh, you mean like how the apostle John expected anti-Christ to come before Christ:

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."


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You are not teaching the coming of Christ beginning at the start of the Tribulation. That is the teaching of a false prophet.

John did not say for you to wait for the Antichrist, but that the Antichrist is coming, as you wait for the Antichrist in your life. Antichrists try to take away the hope of the church according to readiness (Rev. 3.10, Luke 21.36, Matt. 24.40-41, Rev. 12.5).

 

[L0U]

You are not teaching the coming of Christ beginning at the start of the Tribulation. That is the teaching of a false prophet.

That's because Jesus did'nt teach of a coming before tribulation. Since the Lord did not teach of a coming before tribulation but after tribulation, Who are you calling false?

IT IS WRITTEN:

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."
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[ForeverSaved]

That's because Jesus did'nt teach of a coming before tribulation. Since the Lord did not teach of a coming before tribulation but after tribulation, Who are you calling false?





IT IS WRITTEN:

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."




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Luke 21.36, Matt. 24.40-41, Rev. 3.10, 7.9 and 12.5 disagree with you you.


Your issue is not with me but God. There are many false prophets and antichrists.