When Exactly Is the Rapture?

ForeverSaved · Dec 31, 2005

L0U said:
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

The only way to keep this promise to keep them from the hour of trial, that hour that will come upon the whole world, is not through death, since death is not a blessing, but through rapture because God can not promise non-martyrdom when in the Tribulation.

We must therefore conclude this is referring to the first rapture noted in Matthew 24.40-41 and Rev. 7.9 before th throne, and those Christians that were not "left" in 1 Thess. 4.15-17, but were taken beforehand before the trumpets sounded.

exodus19 · Dec 31, 2005

ForeverSaved said:
The only way to keep this promise to keep them from the hour of trial, that hour that will come upon the whole world, is not through death, since death is not a blessing, but through rapture because God can not promise non-martyrdom when in the Tribulation.

We must therefore conclude this is referring to the first rapture noted in Matthew 24.40-41 and Rev. 7.9 before th throne, and those Christians that were not "left" in 1 Thess. 4.15-17, but were taken beforehand before the trumpets sounded.

forever,

good am,

note carefully your post.

"taken beforehand" __what exactly is does this mean to you?

taken

beforehand

why literal __are you thinking 'pie in the sky'?

are cake on the plate ? like here on the normal land, called earth

yetr taken in spirit?

before the throne as in time or before like the word implies int those languages
IN FRONT OF

testing, one two, testing , where's the mic, is it on.?

ForeverSaved · Dec 31, 2005

exodus19 said:
forever,

good am,

note carefully your post.

"taken beforehand" __what exactly is does this mean to you?

taken

beforehand

why literal __are you thinking 'pie in the sky'?

are cake on the plate ? like here on the normal land, called earth

yetr taken in spirit?

before the throne as in time or before like the word implies int those languages
IN FRONT OF

testing, one two, testing , where's the mic, is it on.?

I tell you the truth. The truth is not unreasonable, but it is unloved.

exodus19 · Dec 31, 2005

ForeverSaved said:
I tell you the truth. The truth is not unreasonable, but it is unloved.

appears you are setting your self up for one toi hurl insults again, seems like you feed off of it.

well , ok i'll bite , what was that you said

sounded like gibberish

did i insult you?

i don't think so ,,,your skin is pretty thick! 'the seal' type ___right , lol

ForeverSaved · Dec 31, 2005

exodus19 said:
appears you are setting your self up for one toi hurl insults again, seems like you feed off of it.

well , ok i'll bite , what was that you said

sounded like gibberish

did i insult you?

i don't think so ,,,your skin is pretty thick! 'the seal' type ___right , lol

Don't be a false accuser. It is a sin to accuse falsely.

albertmc · Dec 31, 2005

Sigh. Again you just insist there will be no warring nations on the basis that you think not being deceived in synonomous with not being at war. Anyone with a dictionary could tell you otherwise. A millennial peace appears nowhere in the text just as the gap in the seventy weeks of Daniel appears nowhere in the text. Both are imposed externally because the system makes no sense without them. Both are based on fallacies.

ForeverSaved said:
I am not assuming, a pretrib interpretation since pretrib says the whole church is raptured before the Tribulation.

Rev. 3.10 and Luke 21.36 clearly indicate to us there is a first rapture before the first trumpet according to readiness and a rapture near the end of the Tribulation at 7th trumpet for the general resurrection.

We know all teachings on historicalism are false because of what Rev. 20.3 says there would be no waring nations. Therefore Rev. 20.3 has not happened yet, and all historicalisms say it is happening now or already happened.

What you teach is false.

albertmc · Dec 31, 2005

I would remind you the New Testament was not written in Latin but in Greek. The actual Greek is better rendered as "caught up". The word "rapture" was inserted by Jerome in his translation of the Greek in the Vulgate for the Church of Rome. It is an acceptable translation but by no means an exact one.

GraceInHim said:
1Thess. 4:15-17

From Latin "RAPTUS," "RAPIETUR," meaning "to snatch away," "to remove with force."
The sudden and miraculous removal from the earth of true Christians, (departed and alive), by the Lord Jesus Christ.

L0U · Dec 31, 2005

Forever said:
because God can not promise non-martyrdom when in the Tribulation.

Then I don't know what God your talking about because My God can keep His own within the flames of a fiery furnace.

My God can keep His own within the pit of wild beasts. My God can set His seal on His people to protect them from the fierceness of His own wrath and He can hide those He wishes to in the Day of the Lord:

For IT IS WRITTEN:

"And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God."

"For evildoers shall be cut off; but those that wait upon the Lord shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while longer and the wicked shall not be; yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."

"Wait on the Lord, and keep His way, and He will exalt you to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it. I have seen the wicked in great power and spread himself like a green bay tree. Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not; yea, I sought him, but he could not be found. Mark the perfect man and behold the upright; for the end of that man is peace. But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off. But the salvation of the righteous is of the Lord: He is their strength in the time of trouble. And the Lord shall help them, and deliver them, He shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in Him."

"A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come near thee. Only with thine eyes shall you see the reward of the wicked. Because thou has made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the Most High, thy habitation; there shall no evil befall thee neither shall any plague come near thy dwelling"

"The Lord preserveth all them that love Him; but all the wicked He shall destroy."

"For the upright shall dwell in the earth, and the perfect shall remain in it, but the wicked shall be cut off from the earth and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it."

"The righteous shall never be removed; and the wicked shall not inherit the earth."

"WHEN thou passeth THROUGH the waters I will be with thee; and THROUGH the rivers, they shall not overflow thee; WHEN thou walkest THROUGH the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee."

"We are not sure what are God whom we serve will do, but He is able to deliver us from the fiery furnace and He will deliver us out of your hands, oh king. We will not serve your gods (promote your falsehoods)and we will not worship the golden image.(no matter how much it APPEALS TO THE FLESH.)

Note: The only things that were burnt off of Gods servants were the things which BOUND THEM(soulish infirmities, dross etc..)

Yet that same impartial fire destroyed the wicked. Go figure!

But you, whoever you are or think you are; who are you to say that God cannot promise to do what He already has promised to do?

"Woe to him who strives with his Maker, an earthen vessel with the potter! Does the clay say to him who fashions it, 'What are you making'? or 'Your work has no handles'? "

ForeverSaved · Dec 31, 2005

albertmc said:
Sigh. Again you just insist there will be no warring nations on the basis that you think not being deceived in synonomous with not being at war. Anyone with a dictionary could tell you otherwise. A millennial peace appears nowhere in the text just as the gap in the seventy weeks of Daniel appears nowhere in the text. Both are imposed externally because the system makes no sense without them. Both are based on fallacies.

For you to kill and war is part of nations not being deceived. This shows your conscience. How evil!

My conscience quickened in the Holy Spirit says there is no war in the nations when they are not deceived in Rev. 20.3 during the millennial kingdom and reign of Christ with His overcomers.

Rev. 20.3 is a millennial peace and Christ will reign with an iron rod over the nations which are no longer deceived. When you reign with an iron rod, there is no possibility of warring nations for an iron rod stops any possibility of war as the lamb and the lion shall lay down side by side in peace.

Since the last week is not fulfilled because the events of the last week have not taken place (e.g. there has not been an army of 200 million in the middle east Rev. 9.16, and 1/3 of the people of the earth have not died v.18) which demand Christ's parousia, we know the 70 weeks awaits fulfment.

It is understandable what has just been said here makes no sense to some for not everyone has what 1 Cor. 2.13 (RSV) says. Will-worship doesn't count.

ForeverSaved · Dec 31, 2005

L0U said:
Then I don't know what God your talking about because My God can keep His own within the flames of a fiery furnace.

There is only one God, not two. I realize you do not know of God whom I speak of.

Martyrdom is not the fiery furnace. The fiery furnace relates to hell. The furnace will burn off the dross of our works for the accountability of rewards or loss of rewards in outer darkness which has no furnace or fire about it. The fire upon which Israelites passed through was a similar experience that was of the earthly Jews. It was a type of judgment.

Martyrdom is being killed in the flesh like the Two Witnesses and is something that will come upon believers in the Tribulation, which God says expect because people will revile Christians. He is not assuring it will not happen. What God is assuring is we will pass through the fire that burns off the dross of our false works at judgment seat. And He is assuring some will be raptured at first rapture for keeping His word.

Since death is no blessing the only way God can keep this promise to escape the Hour of trial of the Tribulation is by rapture, for those believers who keep the word of His patience, and are accounted worthy for being watchful and ready.

I understand many do not have faith to believe this for obvious reasons. So be it.

Amen.

exodus19 · Dec 31, 2005

rapture before the throne

yeah ok

taken up at the the 7th trump

received, made ready, given white garments, the women, the first virgins, and the throne

great white throne is the strenghth in numbers of the followers that are in receipt of the new spirit, at the judgement day, ie at which time the mystery is revealled, at the 7 th trump.

no look to 19:11 and see the white horse __who's on it__ messiah, correct

horse represents strength, the battle bow, jesus coming in the clouds the strengh on white horse, ie clouds ie army ie women made up of those raptured, taken beforehand at the 7th trump, the women at 12:1 coming out of heaven.

where's heaven?

where messiah is, so where's messiah___at the " superduperdome party" that is set up by his helping hand amongst friends Isaiah 11:11 and is where in the midst of all the beasts and angels there will be both the believers and non and coming out will be the fire and brimstone, the world leaders are in meetings and trying to understand how to stop the messiah they want to kill the man child coming in the clouds of witnesses, hearts made white, ie white garments.

getting it yet there friends?

need more , i;m sure you do!

but let the mod gods leave me alone and you'll get it all.

so maybe we can begin the set up soon, shall we wait till after the new years, like next week,

where shall we hold it her in atlanta at the """world congress center"" ?

that sounds like a cool place bitg enough too.

now you should all know i;m very familiar with big events and trade shows as well as advetising and marketing and communities and all of the necessities it takes to work the plan.

You may know or not know my background but many of yoy know what i put out there in the market place that has become a household item all over america in the affluent homes.
the mark is made and you shall see me everywhere you go and be reminded of God, it's just that way, His plan was really cool, and all i did was wait and wait and wait.

so are you rolling with it/

Fact man you ready?

how about you big mouth and lou and the rest of you are you ready?

it's all happening.

right as it's written so shall it be,

thy kingdome come that is all the angels and saints, to sing the song of Moses.

ready to sing the sone of a 10 stringed instruement ___1 for each testimony, covenant, word, path, way, statute,

every line of Ps 119 repeats regarding Moses song; give God high 10 on that

summed up in 2 commandments that hang all the prophets.

read again rev 2 and 3 it's all there

4 starts in the the great white throne judgement and 5 is the "Party"

hurrah for the angels__________________how big

7 days of love guys/ gals

lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth

but oh well

just see that train a coming/

R.J.S · Dec 31, 2005

The Rapture is a hoax...there are only two commings of Christ

ForeverSaved · Dec 31, 2005

R.J.S said:
The Rapture is a hoax...there are only two commings of Christ

The rapture is true. There is only one second coming of Christ, not two.

exodus19 · Dec 31, 2005

the rapture is simply a bad word, cause it represents ' pie in the sky" theory of jesus like santa int he clouds above new york or soimething stupid.
It need be used its 'ruptured' lol

so let's move on

it's the coming of belivers and the 'anointing at the throne'

like i said there must be a set up.

read for your selves, angels are people to

not babies flying in the sky ___LOL

L0U · Dec 31, 2005

forever said:
The rapture is true. There is only one second coming of Christ, not two.

Well forever, if you would apply some of that insight that you think you have you would see that R.J.S. is talking about the first coming 2000 years ago and second coming of the Lord in the future.

R.J.S · Dec 31, 2005

ForeverSaved said:
There is only one second coming of Christ, not two.

Indeed, he comes in judgement as we see in Matthew 25.

L0U · Dec 31, 2005

But wait, according to your 'insight' Jesus is coming two more times. Once to rapture the church and again for the 'other' rapture.

exodus19 · Dec 31, 2005

judgement is there in the song of Moses

and you are called to order in rev ch 2 and 3

you caan't avoid order int he kingdom

as james wrote the laws of liberty are perfect

be free in them wear them on your forehead and you cannot but help be free b/c they guide you.

try remembering, but you need not remember once anointed for you ive by them and freely in spirit can you not transgress b/c God is your guide.

that is God's Word, and the sword of righteousness

exodus19 · Dec 31, 2005

L0U said:
But wait, according to your 'insight' Jesus is coming two more times. Once to rapture the church and again for the 'other' rapture.

insight is this

Jesus returns at the time appointed when God sets up the signs and that is going on, you need not a phd for that.

then you recall he said as in luke recorded the words in ch 21:25 on through 36

these verses you can hear. and take into revelation.

ForeverSaved · Dec 31, 2005

L0U said:
But wait, according to your 'insight' Jesus is coming two more times. Once to rapture the church and again for the 'other' rapture.

Your confusion shows your sin bearing false witness.

Parousia of Christ is a process to rapture those who are overcomers in the church at first rapture. Christ is in the clouds. Then the rest of Christians are raptured at the 7th trumpet. Then Christ returns with His Holy Myriads (Jude 14-15) and steps down on the mount of olives.

His second coming is one time. Many do not have faith to see this.

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