When does it become "treason"?

[Albion]

Go ahead and explain why you think so. I'll wait.

Because math.

So, no explanation.

 

[TLK Valentine]

But we do not elect by popular vote.

Indeed, we elect by electoral vote, state by state... which ultimately was also decidedly in favor of Joe Biden.

This election was indeed very close, not a lot different from the Gore vs. Bush election.

306-232 is hardly what any reasonable person would call "indeed very close."
the Bush/Gore election of 2000, OTOH, was a 271-266 close call.

The facts do not support your opinion.

A change in the outcome of only a couple of states where the vote was close would put this year's election into the House of Representatives to decide.

And Donald has tried -- desperately -- to change the outcomes in several states.

He has failed -- hilariously -- in all of his attempts.

When the votes are counted in the Senate, a number of GOP congresspeople, circling over Donald's base like buzzards over a sick gazelle, will attempt to postpone the inevitable. In the spirit of Donald, they, too, will fail.

 

[Der Alte]

You mean the when the republican congress called for a republican lead DOJ to appoint a republican special prosecutor? That Democratic party?

de·flec·tion /dəˈflekSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: deflection; plural noun: deflections; noun: deflexion; plural noun: deflexions
the action or process of deflecting or being deflected.​

 

[Der Alte]

Indeed, we elect by electoral vote, state by state... which ultimately was also decidedly in favor of Joe Biden.
306-232 is hardly what any reasonable person would call "indeed very close."
the Bush/Gore election of 2000, OTOH, was a 271-266 close call.
The facts do not support your opinion.
And Donald has tried -- desperately -- to change the outcomes in several states.
He has failed -- hilariously -- in all of his attempts.
When the votes are counted in the Senate, a number of GOP congresspeople, circling over Donald's base like buzzards over a sick gazelle, will attempt to postpone the inevitable. In the spirit of Donald, they, too, will fail.

Yes we will be rejoicing in the streets when the Harris-Biden administration doubles our taxes to pay for the billions we sent to Muslim countries instead of providing for our citizens. Gender studies in a Muslim country is certainly good for US citizens out of work due to the pandemic.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes we will be rejoicing in the streets when the Harris-Biden administration doubles our taxes to pay for the billions we sent to Muslim countries instead of providing for our citizens. Gender studies in a Muslim country is certainly good for US citizens out of work due to the pandemic.

You left out the part where the country shifts so far over to the left that it literally sinks into the sea... I will not abide half-hearted fearmongering.

Seriously, though -- you lost; get over it. It's not the end of the world.

 

[Belk]

de·flec·tion /dəˈflekSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: deflection; plural noun: deflections; noun: deflexion; plural noun: deflexions
the action or process of deflecting or being deflected.​

So you can't even admit it was not the Democrats but the Republicans who were investigating him? Shall I hold up this mirror for you?

 

[Belk]

Yes we will be rejoicing in the streets when the Harris-Biden administration doubles our taxes to pay for the billions we sent to Muslim countries instead of providing for our citizens. Gender studies in a Muslim country is certainly good for US citizens out of work due to the pandemic.

You preferred it when Republicans just added it to the national debt?

 

[Michael]

But we do not elect by popular vote.

It *does not matter* because Trump also lost the electoral college in 2020 by the *very* same margin that he won by in 2016. In 2016 Trump called his electoral college victory a "massive landslide victory" in spite of losing the popular vote that time too!

Somehow in your mind (and Trump's) an even *bigger* state by state win by Biden in 2020 is "very close"? How? It didn't come down to a single state. It simply *wasn't* that "close" either in the popular vote or in the electoral college either. Trump got thoroughly thrashed both ways in 2020. He *lost* badly.

This election was indeed very close, not a lot different from the Gore vs. Bush election.

Nonsense. It is *completely* different than 2000. Trump lost the electoral college by 74 electoral college votes, *way* more than the the Bush/Gore race that ended with Bush getting 271 (bare minimum required to win) to Gore's 267. That's a difference of just *4* electoral college votes, not 74! It's almost 20 times the margin of the 2000 election.

Unlike Trump, Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and Gore's loss in Florida came down to a mere 537 votes. The closest state this time was won by more than 11 *thousand* (not hundred) votes, and this time around there is *no dispute* in the courts either.

The two elections are not al all alike. Gore also had the common decency and the personal class to finally concede the election with honor and dignity.

A change in the outcome of only a couple of states where the vote was close would put this
year's election into the House of Representatives to decide.

In the 2000 election, the race came down to a *single* state, not *several*, and the total difference between the two candidates in that state was only 537 votes! It's not a "couple" of states that Trump needs, it's *many* of them. He lost the election by 74 electoral college votes! Even *if* Trump hadn't lost Georgia by over 11 *thousand* votes, it *sill* wouldn't have given him a victory.

What horrible comparison and what a terrible rationalization.

Even *if* the house has to decide this time, how do you figure it's going to be any different with a house that is controlled by the Democrats?

This is just sedition, and it may even escalate into violence tomorrow, in which case Trump is guilty of *TREASON*!

 

[Michael]

Yes we will be rejoicing in the streets when the Harris-Biden administration doubles our taxes to pay for the billions we sent to Muslim countries instead of providing for our citizens. Gender studies in a Muslim country is certainly good for US citizens out of work due to the pandemic.

I'll remind you that it was a *Republican* Senate that refused to provide a 2000 per person stimulus package, not the Democratic house which passed the 2000 per person stimulus package.

More importantly however, Trump's tax cut went *primarily* to the wealthiest Americans, and the rest of us just ended up further in debt.

Trump Tax Cuts Helped Billionaires Pay Less Taxes Than The Working Class In 2018

 

[Albion]

It *does not matter* because Trump also lost the electoral college....

Well, of course it DOES matter when the other fellow has tried to argue that winning the popular vote is what counts.

Somehow in your mind (and Trump's) an even *bigger* state by state win by Biden in 2020 is "very close"? How?

Because the election laws were changed big time in order to create the slim margin by which Biden (apparently) won. Because vote fraud, which Democratic leaders until recently insisted never happened at all, anywhere, at any time, was so much in evidence. And most of all because a change of only a few thousand votes in two or three states would have changed the outcome...

it was very close.

Trump lost the electoral college by 74 electoral college votes, *way* more than the the Bush/Gore race that ended with Bush getting 271 (bare minimum required to win) to Gore's 267. That's a difference of just *4* electoral college votes, not 74! It's almost 20 times the margin of the 2000 election.

Accurate math can help here. Changing the outcome of only two of the states in question would reduce Biden's Electoral College total to 270.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Accurate math can help here. Changing the outcome of only two of the states in question would reduce Biden's Electoral College total to 270.

which would still win him the White House -- Donald needs to change three of the medium-to-large states to take the election.

But I see your point: If things were different, they wouldn't be the same.

 

[Michael]

Well, of course it DOES matter when the other fellow has tried to argue that winning the popular vote is what counts.

Go back and reread my post. That's not what I argued. I simply noted that he *also* lost the popular vote by a huge margin. I also specifically mentioned how *badly* he lost the electoral college vote. Did you miss that part?

Because the election laws were changed big time in order to create the slim margin by which Biden (apparently) won.

Any election changes were a way to deal with COVID, and the Republicans had access to the same laws. Sheeesh.

Because vote fraud, ....

What "vote fraud"? You've (and Trump) have provided *no* "evidence" whatsoever that has held up to any scrutiny in any court in the United States, not a single one!

You're blatantly drinking the "cool-aid" put out by Trump!

which Democratic leaders until recently insisted never happened at all, anywhere, at any time, was so much in evidence. And most of all because a change of only a few thousand votes in two or three states would have changed the outcome...

No judge anywhere has ruled in Trump's favor. Why do you figure that might be, particularly since half of them were likely to be Republicans?

it was very close.

No it wasn't. It was *much* closer in the *previous* election when Trump's leads in various states were much smaller. This was indeed a "landslide victory" in every sense of the word.

Accurate math can help here. Changing the outcome of only two of the states in question would reduce Biden's Electoral College total to 270.

Sure, just disenfranchise 7 million voters and anything is possible. So what? The results are final. The states have certified them, the courts threw out the various challenges and even the Justice Department has weighed in on the *lack* of any evidence to suggest that fraud affected the outcome of any election. This is simply sedition and/or treason at this point because Trump can't handle *LOOOOOOOOOOSING*.

 

[Albion]

Go back and reread my post. That's not what I argued.

Here's the recap--

Well, the same* applies to this election.

*that it was close

No it doesn't!

Trump lost the popular vote (again) by more than 7 million votes. It wasn't even close.

But we do not elect by popular vote. This election was indeed very close, not a lot different from the Gore vs. Bush election.

Well, of course it DOES matter when the other fellow has tried to argue that winning the popular vote is what counts.

 

[Michael]

Here's the recap--
*that it was close

You seem to have missed everything I said about the electoral college *loss* by Trump by 74 votes! That isn't anywhere *near* the 4 vote difference between Bush and Gore, so your comparison is *invalid*. That's not "close", that's a "landslide victory" if we go by *Trumps own statements* four years ago.

Furthermore, *unlike* the 2000 election, there's not a single state that was won by any candidate by less than 600 votes, so again, it's not as "close" of a call in any single state compared to 2000. Even *if* one contested state was changed, it would have no effect on the election *at all*, so again, your statement about it being "close" is absolutely false, and your comparison to the 2000 election is completely bogus.

 

[Michael]

Why didn't answer this question?

No judge anywhere has ruled in Trump's favor. Why do you figure that might be, particularly since half of them were likely to be Republicans?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why didn't answer this question?

No judge anywhere has ruled in Trump's favor. Why do you figure that might be, particularly since half of them were likely to be Republicans?

*blargleblargleblargle*deepstate*blargleblargleblargle*

 

[Michael]

Let's recap the differences between the elections of 2000 and 2020.

In 2000, the electoral college vote was 271 to 267 a margin of only 4 votes, and one of those states was won by less than 600 votes. In 2020, the electoral college difference was 306 to 232, a *massive* difference of 74 votes, and even overturning a single contested state would have *zero* net effect on the outcome of the election.

In 2000, Gore *won* the popular vote, whereas in 2020 Trump *lost* the popular vote by over 7 million votes. This election was not close by those standards either.

Close? It wasn't close at all.

 

[Hazelelponi]

When does it become "treason"?

A.) When the side your fighting on looses the war...



No idea why that single sentence answer filled up 6 pages..

 

[Petros2015]

HOLD THE DOOR!!! HOLD THE DOOR!!!

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[Albion]

Believe whatever you want; that's apparently what is going to happen in any case. However, all that the President would need would be to turn two states, in which all sorts of voting irregularities took place, in order to reduce Harris and Biden to 270 votes. And then there are other states where Biden didn't get 50% of the vote and also experienced a number of manmade irregularities.