When do the biblical days begin?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Brother that's a made up translation because they didn't know what to do with what God actually said. The phrase written by God actually says “The first of the Sabbaths” as God's way of saying “the seventh day of creation week” for future generations who would discover that the first Sabbath in Eden was from morning to morning, as defined are the days of the week in Genesis. The Sabbath in Israel ends before the end of the local seventh day of the week in Israel. The first day is from the first light to light again in the morning and later days until the Sabbath from morning to morning.

Of course, it was made up!!! How did I know you were going to say that LOL?? Do you have proof of that?? Every Greek speaker I know will disagree with you. No, in Israel and everywhere else, it is evening to evening...so all The Church Fathers (who knew Koine Greek)and every Jew is wrong but you are right...Uh huh...ever wonder why no one agrees with you??? "mia ton sabbaton..."

 

[guevaraj]

Of course, it was made up!!! How did I know you were going to say that LOL?? Do you have proof of that?? Every Greek speaker I know will disagree with you. No, in Israel and everywhere else, it is evening to evening...so all The Church Fathers (who knew Koine Greek)and every Jew is wrong but you are right...Uh huh...ever wonder why no one agrees with you??? "mia ton sabbaton..."

Brother, written is it that they were wrong in many things that we must correct by studying the written word of God and not assume that they are right because the human tradition is with us for so long.

You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (Mark 7:8-13 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Brother, written is it that they were wrong in many things that we must correct by studying the written word of God and not assume that they are right because the human tradition is with us for so long.

Except in this case they are correct and it is YOU that is wrong! Matthew 28:1 in the Greek also proves you wrong...

 

[HARK!]

He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated." (Daniel 8:14 NIV)

Notice that evening precedes morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)

Notice again that evening precedes morning. This is what YHWH calls a day, not morning then evening.

 

[guevaraj]

Except in this case they are correct and it is YOU that is wrong! Matthew 28:1 in the Greek also proves you wrong...

Brother, just like with the other verse, this is also a made up translation because they didn't know what to do with what God actually said. The phrase written by God actually says “The first of the Sabbaths” as God's way of saying “the seventh day of creation week” for future generations who would discover that the first Sabbath in Eden was from morning to morning, as defined are the days of the week in Genesis. The Sabbath in Israel ends before the end of the local seventh day of the week in Israel. The first day is from the first light to light again in the morning and later days until the Sabbath from morning to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

This is what YHWH calls a day, not morning then evening.

Brother, what God called "day" is from morning to evening and what God called "night" is from evening to morning. Only one of these two God-appointed periods appears at the end of each day of the creation week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HIM]

Yahshua already came. I see no evidence that he corrected anyone regarding this matter the first time; so I'll continue to follow his example, instead of starting a new tradition.

This alone says all that needs to be said

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Brother, just like with the other verse, this is also a made up translation because they didn't know what to do with what God actually said.

I see...so any scripture that disagrees with you and your theory, you just say it is a made up or bad translation...do you also have your own translation of the Bible to sell on Amazon?? SMH

How about the witnesses on the road to Emmaus, is that a made up translation??? That scripture also disagrees with you...

It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. (his death and burial)

They rested on the Sabbath.

Yeshua rose on the 1st day of the week while it was still dark...very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem.

 

[guevaraj]

This alone say all that needs to be said

Brother, Jesus didn't have to correct the keeping of the Sabbath in Israel because it is correct for Israel. Why didn't Jesus help us correct the Sabbath to keep in the United States? Too many corrections that we couldn't "bear".

I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. (John 16:12-14 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

I see...so any scripture that disagrees with you and your theory, you just say it is a made up or bad translation...do you also have your own translation of the Bible to sell on Amazon?? SMH

Brother, all you have to do is google the verse with the added word "interlinear" to see it. You should also know that this Greek word, "σαββάτων", is Sabbaths because it is translated as the word "week" and added is the word "day" to force God to say something different, "first [day] of the week", when He said "the first of the Sabbaths".

"John 20:1 interlinear" (google search)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sister, it is sin to steal and bear false witness, but it is not I who misrepresents the word of God on the Sabbath or the message He gave through our prophetess about the Sabbath. I am correcting a human tradition that makes God say something that He chose not to say because He is saying something else with other words that do not mean what tradition forces Him to say about the first day in Genesis. The word evening does not mean night and the word morning does not mean day. God chose not to say what forced is He to say as if He had written: "and there was night and there was day -- the first day". He chose not to say what forced is He to say having defined the words "night" and "day" in the previous sentence and did not used them, but instead used other words that border the period of the night from evening to morning because He has nothing to report every night of creation week and only creates during the earlier period of light from morning until evening.

God wants us to know all that He has revealed. I am pointing out that we have accepted a human tradition that is not what God revealed about the Sabbath in His word.

The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Do you consider using intellectual property that does not belong to you stealing? Especially one that belongs to a church. The unauthorized use of intellectual property to promote and profit on a book that goes against the faith and beliefs of that church. Do you not see this as bearing false witness along with representing yourself as such, when you do not believe in the fundamental beliefs that is a requirement? ?

 

[guevaraj]

Do you consider using intellectual property that does not belong to you stealing? Especially one that belongs to a church. The unauthorized use of intellectual property to promote and profit on a book that goes against the faith and beliefs of that church. Do you not see this as bearing false witness along with representing yourself as such, when you do not believe in the fundamental beliefs that is a requirement? ?

Sister, why don't you study God's word for yourself instead of delegating your study to your leaders? The only reason we have so many denominations is because we delegate our study to leaders, otherwise God's word "gives understanding to the simple" and we would all understand it together.

The unfolding of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple. (Psalm 119:130 NIV)​

All who "love the truth"!

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sister, why don't you study God's word for yourself instead of delegating your study to your leaders? The only reason we have so many denominations is because we delegate our study to leaders, otherwise God's word "gives understanding to the simple" and we would all understand it together.

The unfolding of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple. (Psalm 119:130 NIV)​

All who "love the truth"!

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Just curious why don't you answer a direct question?

Incidentally, why would you claim to be part of a denomination if you don't believe in their leaders? That makes zero sense, just like your claim that only you know the true Sabbath times, despite Jesus not correcting anyone on it. Seems like what you're saying you know better than Jesus.

 

[guevaraj]

you know the true Sabbath times, despite Jesus not correcting anyone on it. Seems like what you're saying you know better than Jesus.

Sister, Jesus is revealing the Sabbath through the unit of the 2300-year prophesy that takes us back to Genesis. I think we have too many denominational followers and few independent students of God's word like the Berean Jews who "received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day" to see if what was said was true.

He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated." (Daniel 8:14 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Brother, all you have to do is google the verse with the added word "interlinear" to see it. You should also know that this Greek word, "σαββάτων", is Sabbaths because it is translated as the word "week" and added is the word "day" to force God to say something different, "first [day] of the week", when He said "the first of the Sabbaths".

"John 20:1 interlinear" (google search)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

That is how days were counted...you are wrong

 

[guevaraj]

That is how days were counted...you are wrong

Brother, the strongest defense scholars give for changing what God wrote, “Sabbath”, for some other word, “week”, is the following passage.

To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice on a Sabbath and give a tenth of all I get.’ “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” (Luke 18:9-14)​

Fasting twice a week is common and not excessive. What is excessive is fasting twice on a Sabbath just as God wrote. Jesus is saying of the Pharisees that they fasted for others to see.

“When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Matthew 6:16-18 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Brother, the strongest defense scholars give for changing what God wrote, “Sabbath”, for some other word, “week”, is the following passage.

To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice on a Sabbath and give a tenth of all I get.’ “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” (Luke 18:9-14)​

Fasting twice a week is common and not excessive. What is excessive is fasting twice on a Sabbath just as God wrote. Jesus is saying of the Pharisees that they fasted for others to see.

“When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Matthew 6:16-18 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

None of this has anything to do with what we are discussing..

 

[guevaraj]

None of this has anything to do with what we are discussing..

Brother, the made-up translation shows that when we can't accept what God really says, we force something that makes sense to us because we don't trust what God said and we want to fix it. The reason we don't trust what God says is because we have a history of fixing what God says when God knows exactly what He said. The same goes for the first day. God reveals the first day is from the first light to light again in the morning and later days until the Sabbath from morning to morning. We do not accept what God wrote so we force evening to mean night and morning to mean day when God defined those words in the previous sentence and chose not to use them because He is saying something else with other words that mean something different. The edges of the period that God called night that ends each day of creation because God has nothing to report during the night and only creates during the previous period of light from morning to evening.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Brother, the made-up translation shows that when we can't accept what God really says, we force something that makes sense to us because we don't trust what God said and we want to fix it.

I trust what God says, I just don't trust what YOU say!

 

[guevaraj]

I trust what God says, I just don't trust what YOU say!

Brother, what did God say in this passage?

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge