When do the biblical days begin?

[guevaraj]

Again, Moses kept the Sabbath in the wilderness. The wilderness is not in Israel. Try as you may; you can't refute these facts.

Brother, the Sabbath in the wilderness that Moses kept was like the Sabbath in Eden from morning to morning before God showed Israel how to remember the Sabbath in Eden in Israel's time zone and specific to the place of Israel on Earth.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

Brother, the Sabbath in the wilderness that Moses kept was like the Sabbath in Eden from morning to morning before God showed Israel how to remember the Sabbath in Eden in Israel's time zone and specific to the place of Israel on Earth.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Jorge, The was no IDL during the time of Moses; and there was no GPS, nor even clocks. They might have had sun dials; but they wouldn't need them to know when the sun went down at whatever location they might have been.

The Hebrews have been keeping the Sabbath according to the setting sun for all of recorded history. Since you don't know where Eden is; and you've never been there in your time machine; you can't tell me that the Edenites (if there were any) were, or were not, keeping the Sabbath any differently than the Hebrews have for all of recorded history.

 

[HARK!]

I told him that my uncle, who is a retired church evangelist, does not believe me and that my mother’s bather, who is the daughter of missionaries, does not believe me, although she thinks it is worth discussing and helped me write my book, she does not believe me.

So even the coauthor of your book doesn't believe this; but you continue to present this wild speculation as truth?

Doesn't this raise any red flags, that something might be amiss?

 

[guevaraj]

So even the coauthor of your book doesn't believe this; but you continue to present this wild speculation as truth? Doesn't this raise any red flags, that something might be amiss?

Brother, shows us how difficult it is to correct a "human tradition". Especially one that is with us for so long. We need to correct this for the soon return of Jesus.

You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (Mark 7:8-13 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

Brother, shows us how difficult it is to correct a "human tradition". Especially one that is with us for so long. We need to correct this for the soon return of Jesus.

Yahshua already came. I see no evidence that he corrected anyone regarding this matter the first time; so I'll continue to follow his example, instead of starting a new tradition.

 

[guevaraj]

Yahshua already came. I see no evidence that he corrected anyone regarding this matter the first time; so I'll continue to follow his example, instead of starting a new tradition.

Brother, Jesus didn't have to correct the keeping of the Sabbath in Israel because it is correct for Israel. Why didn't Jesus help us correct the Sabbath to keep in the United States? Too many corrections that we couldn't "bear".

I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. (John 16:12-14 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[BobRyan]

I told him that I am willing to talk to his father, but that I get a lot of resistance for this. I told him that my uncle, who is a retired church evangelist, does not believe me and that my mother’s bather, who is the daughter of missionaries, does not believe me, although she thinks it is worth discussing and helped me write my book, she does not believe me. Convinced was he by comparing what Genesis reveals with an evening-to-evening Sabbath in Israel.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

And to be honest you will admit that your self-conflicted suggestions about what at day is in Genesis 1 -- are not even remotely Seventh-day Adventist doctrine. We have never endorsed such ideas.

You have free will and can claim to believe whatever you like - but freely admit it is not SDA.

 

[guevaraj]

And to be honest you will admit that your self-conflicted suggestions about what at day is in Genesis 1 -- are not even remotely Seventh-day Adventist doctrine. We have never endorsed such ideas. You have free will and can claim to believe whatever you like - but freely admit it is not SDA.

Brother. Ellen White confirms what God told Israel and then takes us back to the first Sabbath of creation week so that you don't choose one peace of the truth about the Sabbath over the other as we did as a church when they are both true: the first Sabbath in Eden is from morning to morning confirmed by a Passover rule and the manna story that remembered is in Israel from evening to evening. The explanation confirmed by the International Date Line (IDL) is that remembered is the Sabbath in the Eden time zone. I didn't get it from her, I learned it from the first day in Genesis and then I looked at what she wrote. I saw that her inspiration is consistent with what Genesis reveals. When I say her inspiration, I don't mean what she understood but what she wrote. She wrote that we would understand more in the future and she highlights when evening falls as something to learn that we haven't changed, although I found the reason to change it. We still think that the days of creation begin with an evening when I found out that Genesis reveals that the evening falls in the middle of the first day and not at the beginning as supposed was due to the Sabbath in Israel which is not a day of the week like it was set in creation week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Brother. Ellen White confirms what God told Israel and then takes us back to the first Sabbath of creation week so that you don't choose one peace of the truth about the Sabbath over the other as we did as a church when they are both true: the first Sabbath in Eden is from morning to morning confirmed by a Passover rule and the manna story that remembered is in Israel from evening to evening. The explanation confirmed by the International Date Line (IDL) is that remembered is the Sabbath in the Eden time zone. I didn't get it from her, I learned it from the first day in Genesis and then I looked at what she wrote. I saw that her inspiration is consistent with what Genesis reveals. When I say her inspiration, I don't mean what she understood but what she wrote. She wrote that we would understand more in the future and she highlights when evening falls as something to learn that we haven't changed, although I found the reason to change it. We still think that the days of creation begin with an evening when I found out that Genesis reveals that the evening falls in the middle of the first day and not at the beginning as supposed was due to the Sabbath in Israel which is not a day of the week like it was set in creation week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Is it a sin to steal or bear false witness? Do you think God only cares about Sabbath keeping?

 

[guevaraj]

Is it a sin to steal or bear false witness?

Sister, it is sin to steal and bear false witness, but it is not I who misrepresents the word of God on the Sabbath or the message He gave through our prophetess about the Sabbath. I am correcting a human tradition that makes God say something that He chose not to say because He is saying something else with other words that do not mean what tradition forces Him to say about the first day in Genesis. The word evening does not mean night and the word morning does not mean day. God chose not to say what forced is He to say as if He had written: "and there was night and there was day -- the first day". He chose not to say what forced is He to say having defined the words "night" and "day" in the previous sentence and did not used them, but instead used other words that border the period of the night from evening to morning because He has nothing to report every night of creation week and only creates during the earlier period of light from morning until evening.

Do you think God only cares about Sabbath keeping?

God wants us to know all that He has revealed. I am pointing out that we have accepted a human tradition that is not what God revealed about the Sabbath in His word.

The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[ralliann]

I think you may be on your own with this belief which is not a teaching held by anyone I know from the SDA church, the nation of ISRAEL, Hebrews or Jews or any other Sabbath keeping church's I know. What your promoting here is not biblical according to the scriptures. Happy to share why according to the scriptures...

In the Hebrew the word for "day" for example "the evening and the morning were the first day" - Genesis 1:5 has many different meanings and application in the scriptures.

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Let's first look at the Hebrew Word for day first as it has multiple meanings and applications..

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong
Hebrew word for day - H3117 יום; yôm. From an unused root meaning to be hot ; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next, or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (.. . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

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I was going to post the AV occurrences and different applicaitions of the Hebrew word day - H3117 יום; yôm but found there was too many to post (e.g. there is 2212 Instances, 635 Word applications based on the various definitions above from the Strongs.)

You can see in the Genesis 1 applications alone the Hebrew word day - H3117 יום; yôm is to both the time period making up a "full day" which is the context defined and stated in the scriptures as both evening (night or darkness e.g the context in Genesis 1:5 states the darkness God called night and the light day) and the morning (light or daylight) or "day light hours alone or the heat of the day." It is the context and the within scripture definitions that determine the application of the Hebrew word meanings. This is the rule for both Hebrew and Greek language applications that define word definitions.

I believe your mistake here is not applying contextual application to the Hebrew that the scripture pre-define what is meant by a full day as sunset (darkness he called night) to sunset (daylight he called day) - "and the evening (darkness - night) and the morning (day light) was the first day" which is Gods Word (not mine) showing a full day in God's time as being "sunset to sunset"

What your actually promoting here is anti-sabbath material which is not biblical and that all of Isreal including Jesus and the Apostles got the Sabbath time wrong. May I ask that you may prayerfully consider what is being shared with you from one brother to another and receive God's blessing.

May you receive correction dear friend and be blessed

So, does this also apply to the six days of work? Work 144 hours 96 days) then rest twenty four?
Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

 

[guevaraj]

So, does this also apply to the six days of work?

Sister, set is every day in Genesis from morning to morning. Only the Sabbath in Israel is from evening to evening because it is not a day of the week, but actually falls between two days of the week in Israel, taking the night of the sixth day and the light of the seventh day. This means that Jesus resurrected after the Sabbath on the seventh day and before the first day at sunrise. Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday but on Saturday. The excuse that Christians worship on Sunday to celebrate the resurrection has no biblical foundation.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So, does this also apply to the six days of work? Work 144 hours 96 days) then rest twenty four?
Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

It's not hard read the commandments. The 4th is found in Exodus 20:8-11. It starts from sunset to sunset according to the God's time for days in the scriptures *Genesis 1:1-5. Six days we can do all we like. The "seventh day" God blessed and made a holy day of rest for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27-28.

 

[ralliann]

Except for the Levites, from noon on the Sabbath till noon the following Sabbath. & days, must have been from noon till noon.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Except for the Levites, from noon on the Sabbath till noon the following Sabbath. & days, must have been from noon till noon.

Hmm what? Where does it say that in Gods' 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11?

 

[ralliann]

Hmm what? Where does it say that in Gods' 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11?

The Levite courses in the temple, worked from Sabbath to Sabbath. They began at noon on the Sabbath and worked till noon the following Sabbath.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Levite courses in the temple, worked from Sabbath to Sabbath. They began at noon on the Sabbath and worked till noon the following Sabbath.

So it does not say that in Gods 4th commandment right? Why are you pretending it does? We are in the new covenant now not the old. Jesus is our high Priest ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary made without hands also read Matthew 12:1-12. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. Do you know what the Levites were doing in the temple? There is nothing about Levites in God's 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11 and there were no Levites when God made the Sabbath for all mankind *Mark 2:27 on the "seventh day of the creation week" *Genesis 2:1-3

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The Levite courses in the temple, worked from Sabbath to Sabbath. They began at noon on the Sabbath and worked till noon the following Sabbath.

The courses were a week (Sabbath to Sabbath) in duration twice per year. All courses worked during Pesakh, Shavuot and Sukkot.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Sister, set is every day in Genesis from morning to morning. Only the Sabbath in Israel is from evening to evening because it is not a day of the week, but actually falls between two days of the week in Israel, taking the night of the sixth day and the light of the seventh day. This means that Jesus resurrected after the Sabbath on the seventh day and before the first day at sunrise. Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday but on Saturday. The excuse that Christians worship on Sunday to celebrate the resurrection has no biblical foundation.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Um no, it clearly states that it was early on the 1st day of the week while it was still dark...that right there proves your theory wrong!

 

[guevaraj]

Um no, it clearly states that it was early on the 1st day of the week while it was still dark...that right there proves your theory wrong!

Brother that's a made up translation because they didn't know what to do with what God actually said. The phrase written by God actually says “The first of the Sabbaths” as God's way of saying “the seventh day of creation week” for future generations who would discover that the first Sabbath in Eden was from morning to morning, as defined are the days of the week in Genesis. The Sabbath in Israel ends before the end of the local seventh day of the week in Israel. The first day is from the first light to light again in the morning and later days until the Sabbath from morning to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge