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I was feeling nostalgic about 2008 last night. That was an eventful year where I made lots of characters, stories, series, etc. There were some bad parts but also plenty of good fun parts. I remember at New Year's 2009 I even made a list of some things that happened in 2008, I should try to find that again! It's hard to believe that some things I remember clearly from that year are 10 years old already.
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Well of course you know it. Any self-respecting JRPG player would know it. She's only one of the coolest characters EVER in RPG's.
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Everyone, please pray for SnowTiger. He was one of the two particular people I have tried to help in the past suffering from fear of God abandoning and hating him and all in the OCD help section of CF. I just now discovered blog entries here of his, and (I do NOT mean this as an insult, mind you) he really seems mentally unsound right now. This fear of hell is torturous for him. A couple of us have already admonished him to get professional help. I checked myself into a mental hospital for adults once when suffering a similar problem, and while it was just the beginning of a trying journey, I do not regret that decision.
https://www.christianforums.com/blogs/august-18th.59621/
I don't care if what I am about to say offends any traditionalists here, or makes them think I am going to hell too because I reject a "fundamental Christian doctrine": I curse the day this sick doctrine of immortal souls living in eternal conscious torment was born. Because its fruit is plain to see for all that it is disgusting and harmful. It has only created problems and mental and emotional torment, not a healthy fear and respect of God, nor does the Bible say anywhere that torture is His brand of justice against wrong-doers.
.... To hell with hell. Because someone like SnowTiger in his poor mental state right now is what you get as a result.
https://www.christianforums.com/blogs/august-18th.59621/
I don't care if what I am about to say offends any traditionalists here, or makes them think I am going to hell too because I reject a "fundamental Christian doctrine": I curse the day this sick doctrine of immortal souls living in eternal conscious torment was born. Because its fruit is plain to see for all that it is disgusting and harmful. It has only created problems and mental and emotional torment, not a healthy fear and respect of God, nor does the Bible say anywhere that torture is His brand of justice against wrong-doers.
.... To hell with hell. Because someone like SnowTiger in his poor mental state right now is what you get as a result.
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I was never into the stuff, I actually have to guess at what JRPG is by logic of knowing what RPG means..... I actually only stumbled onto Xenosaga by boredom and enjoyed it.Well of course you know it. Any self-respecting JRPG player would know it. She's only one of the coolest characters EVER in RPG's.
That was about the only one Swan didn't have to explain to me on what it was.
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Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
This life is a life of moral choices. Those who choose not to cover and justify their sin and seek God's forgiveness will recieve such. Those who lie to themselves and choose darkness over Light will recieve an eternal punishment for their decision, God will allow them to live with their selfish heart forever. Even if there is a physical burning, it's not something like a child burning an ant, it's related to our guilt and sin.
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Oh, whoops. I'm sorry. I think we forgot all of the verses outside of Revelation a book known for its symbolism that clearly say the punishment is death and destruction.
You do realize that even these three verses you picked out still do not say directly what happens to human beings, right? Rev 14:11 is clearly a punishment that is still happening on Earth (otherwise you can't saw that hell is separation from God, because it says right there in the verse that the torment via fire and brimstone is happening IN THE PRESENCE of the Lamb). And again, apocalyptic literature?
And the previous two verses you've cited make no reference to torment upon human beings.
I pray none of you go through the mental anguish of thinking God hates you enough to want to eternally torture you like myself, poor SnowTiger, and so many others who want to believe in and be at peace with Christ had to go through. I pray none of you suffer Scrupulosity. You would change your tune thinking this abominable doctrine is of the Holy Spirit if you did soon enough. The fire from God has never done anything to humans but destroy and consume them when used against them in the Bible. It is ridiculous to believe that it instead preserves them in torment - the complete opposite function - when no such example has ever been given. Well, other than the obvious cruelty. And no, I'm not judging God's ways in saying that, because the Bible never says those are His ways. The wages of sin is death, period (and that is by far not the only verse that makes it clear that the ultimate fate of unbelievers is destruction and an end to life, not living forever in misery. Not spiritual death. Not eternal torment. Just death. In case anyone wants to play the cite Scriptural proof game).
And in case anyone wants to use the cliche "Jesus taught hell" argument (like that somehow proves eternal torment anyway, only that there is a hell), even Jesus Himself said that God could destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. Not torture it. Destroy means destroy, not preserve in pain.
I can't blame you, though, for believing it. Tradition is a powerful thing. And it took eight months of living in hell on Earth to snap me out of it. God willing at the end of his misery SnowTiger will reject the eternal torment doctrine, too, and rest better in God's love. I refuse to believe for one second that it is God doing this to SnowTiger, or that it was God giving me the fear and emotional anguish in my own time of sickness, because the traditional hell doctrine is good to Him. I refuse to blaspheme God by doing that.
You do realize that even these three verses you picked out still do not say directly what happens to human beings, right? Rev 14:11 is clearly a punishment that is still happening on Earth (otherwise you can't saw that hell is separation from God, because it says right there in the verse that the torment via fire and brimstone is happening IN THE PRESENCE of the Lamb). And again, apocalyptic literature?
And the previous two verses you've cited make no reference to torment upon human beings.
I pray none of you go through the mental anguish of thinking God hates you enough to want to eternally torture you like myself, poor SnowTiger, and so many others who want to believe in and be at peace with Christ had to go through. I pray none of you suffer Scrupulosity. You would change your tune thinking this abominable doctrine is of the Holy Spirit if you did soon enough. The fire from God has never done anything to humans but destroy and consume them when used against them in the Bible. It is ridiculous to believe that it instead preserves them in torment - the complete opposite function - when no such example has ever been given. Well, other than the obvious cruelty. And no, I'm not judging God's ways in saying that, because the Bible never says those are His ways. The wages of sin is death, period (and that is by far not the only verse that makes it clear that the ultimate fate of unbelievers is destruction and an end to life, not living forever in misery. Not spiritual death. Not eternal torment. Just death. In case anyone wants to play the cite Scriptural proof game).
And in case anyone wants to use the cliche "Jesus taught hell" argument (like that somehow proves eternal torment anyway, only that there is a hell), even Jesus Himself said that God could destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. Not torture it. Destroy means destroy, not preserve in pain.
I can't blame you, though, for believing it. Tradition is a powerful thing. And it took eight months of living in hell on Earth to snap me out of it. God willing at the end of his misery SnowTiger will reject the eternal torment doctrine, too, and rest better in God's love. I refuse to believe for one second that it is God doing this to SnowTiger, or that it was God giving me the fear and emotional anguish in my own time of sickness, because the traditional hell doctrine is good to Him. I refuse to blaspheme God by doing that.
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I will most certainly pray for you, Wayholka, but are you sure this is a good method of staying awake? I could only imagine that high caffeine would only get in the way of an accurate brain scan.
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I'm certainly not going to down can after can of Red Bull in preparation.
Yes, please don't. If I know from experience that even just one can of something like Red Bull was bad for my heart, I can't imagine that it wouldn't be all the worse for you with your own health problems (with all due respect meant).
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So that is what a man gets for apparently wanting to focus more on the good in others and the world instead of evil; some of the most evil people on Earth kill him. ISIS will meet their end one day for the violence they bare towards others in the name of their twisted god. The cowards vow to kill all who disagree with them, but it is they who will have the sword turned upon them in the end if they do not seek forgiveness for these crimes.
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