What would it take for Orthodoxs to come under Pope

[Sothron]

Are any of these close to you?

http://www.oca.org/DIRlists.parish.state.asp?location=ON&x=36&y=15&SID=9&CLASS=P&TYPE=STATE

 

[Asinner]

tell me... how would I understand a thing if I were to go and check it out, and it was all greek?

Just go. The first year I was Orthodox I attended a Greek monastery where the Liturgy is all Greek. It was transforming. You will begin to understand what is being said, the longer you attend and there are books that have Greek on one side, English on the other, which makes it easier to follow along. What is being said won't be the first thing you will notice anyway, even if it was in English.

Love,
Christina

 

[Asinner]

Thank you, but I should try to be more careful in the future.

And I, not so sensitive.

 

[Fireinfolding]

you know, I just did a search.... there isn't an english speaking Orthodox church even remotely in my area.

I suppose that verse kicks in bout tongues eh'? Ye all may be given thanks (very well) but the other is not edified

1Cr 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Just go. The first year I was Orthodox I attended a Greek monastery where the Liturgy is all Greek.

Is that the same Koine Greek as in the Bible?

 

[mont974x4]

And I, not so sensitive.

fair enough, my sister


God bless
Jay

 

[Asinner]

Is that the same Koine Greek as in the Bible?

No. Koine Greek or Attic Greek is not as formal as Ancient Greek, but more formal than modern Greek. Attic Greek would be like Shakespeare is to us, and Ancient Greek is even more formal than Attic.

Love,
Christina

 

[Asinner]

UB,

This is the oldest Russian Church in Toronto . . . http://www.christthesavioursobor.com/

Love,
Christina

 

[MezzaMorta]

See underlined part.

That is like me saying Lebanese food is too Middle Eastern.

Are you saying that Eastern Europe should drop its culture and become Western Europe? Who wants that? Is that seriously what every person with no knowledge or care for another European culture thought when Communism fell? If so, than d**n, that's a lot of hypocrisy from those who claim to like food from all over just because it is not from their own heritage and/or culture.

I’m just saying Easter European culture leaves a lot to be desired. Chalk it up to almost a century of Communism, but I have always found Eastern Europe gloomy, usually depressing bar the tourist areas and bland.

 

[MezzaMorta]

I will not defend that. I also have to point out that the Serbian Orthodox Church condemned it from the very start and IIRC had priests and bishops martryed for standing up to it as well.

Maybe on the surface, but the local Orthodox Church in Bosnia and Serbia participated. There are videos of Priests blessing Serbian soldiers before they are to execute Bosnian women and children. Even to this date the Orthodox Church of Serbia refuses to help in bring Serbian war criminals to justice and has been proven to have harbored many of them.




Two of my uncles went to Bosnia to fight, one died there and the one who survived said that in Bosnia a Church was not a place of God, but a place of Satan because it was where the Serbians took people from the villages to be killed.

 

[Thekla]

Most "ethnic" Orthodox Churches say the Liturgy in more than one language.

 

[E.C.]

I’m just saying Easter European culture leaves a lot to be desired. Chalk it up to almost a century of Communism, but I have always found Eastern Europe gloomy, usually depressing bar the tourist areas and bland.

Sorry, but I sensed a bit of "Wall is down, now assimilate, you former Commies! Assimilate!" sentiment in the post.

But really, why change a good thing? Eastern European and Western European cultures are two completely different cultures. Maybe not as different as the Aborigini in Australia vs. American culture, but still two very different cultures with different ways of thought and life. Why change that which is unique and not evil?

 

[prodromos]

Chalk it up to almost a century of Communism

Now you finally state who the real enemy was. Not Serbs as such, but Communist Serbs.

 

[prodromos]

Maybe on the surface, but the local Orthodox Church in Bosnia and Serbia participated. There are videos of Priests blessing Serbian soldiers before they are to execute Bosnian women and children.

I only know of one video which purports to show such a thing. The facts regarding that video was that it was two completely unrelated videos which had been edited and made to look as if they were the same soldiers being blessed by the priest as those committing the attrocities. IOW it was propaganda aimed at defaming the Church.

 

[mont974x4]

I won't paint the orthodox faith with a broad brush, but I can't deny the evidence I saw with my own eyes as to what the orthodox priest in Kosovo was involved in, sanctioned, etc in the war against the Albanians.

Of course, I can't deny that it's been a tit for tat war. The Albanians have their share of blame as well.

 

[prodromos]

I won't paint the orthodox faith with a broad brush, but I can't deny the evidence I saw with my own eyes as to what the orthodox priest in Kosovo was involved in, sanctioned, etc in the war against the Albanians.

What you saw was video footage of an Orthodox priest blessing one group of soldiers, followed by a completely unrelated video of a different group of soldiers. It was fabricated to make people believe as you obviously do, that the priest sanctioned and even blessed the criminal acts of the latter group of soldiers. The footage has been critically examined and shown to be fraud. If I have time I will see if I can dredge up the relevant facts, but this was years ago and may not be on the web any longer.

 

[prodromos]

Of course, I can't deny that it's been a tit for tat war. The Albanians have their share of blame as well.

Once more you have fallen for the propaganda. The vast majority of atrocities committed in Kosovo was by Albanians. Serbian crimes were in response to that. NATO started bombing Serbia based on reports of tens of thousands of Albanian men having been murdered by Serbs and buried in mass graves. The total number of bodies which have been found (including Serbians, and Albanians killed by NATO bombs and people who died of natural causes) number far less than one thousand!

 

[mont974x4]

I saw no videos, I saw it in person.


As is said, tit for tat, it's been back and forth for many many years.

 

[ma2000]

Maybe on the surface, but the local Orthodox Church in Bosnia and Serbia participated. There are videos of Priests blessing Serbian soldiers before they are to execute Bosnian women and children. Even to this date the Orthodox Church of Serbia refuses to help in bring Serbian war criminals to justice and has been proven to have harbored many of them.




Two of my uncles went to Bosnia to fight, one died there and the one who survived said that in Bosnia a Church was not a place of God, but a place of Satan because it was where the Serbians took people from the villages to be killed.

Saint Peter the Aleut

A native of Kodiak Island, Cungagnaq had been baptized by the monks of St. Herman's missionary party, receiving the Christian name Peter.
In 1815, a party of 14 Aleut seal and otter hunter, including Peter approached the California shore by ship. The Russian-American Trading Company had in 1812 established Fort Ross (derived from the word "Russia") about 50 miles north of San Francisco as a warm climate trading post and as a place to raise crops and cattle to support the communities in Alaska. At that time, Spain still owned California, and some Spaniards perhaps thought that Russia was planning to attack and take possession of San Francisco.
When, therefore, Peter and his party of young fur trappers approached near Fort Ross, Spanish sailors captured them and took them to San Francisco for a mock trial. Roman Catholic priests in California tried to force the Aleut hunters to embrace Roman Catholicism. The prisoners answered, "We are Christians; we have been baptized," and they showed their baptismal crosses. "No, you are heretics and schismatics," replied one of the priests. "If you do not agree to take the Catholic Faith we will toruture you," and they were told to think it over.
Returning a while later, the priests found that the Aleuts again refused to renounce Orthodoxy. They took Peter and cut off a toe from each foot, but Peter simply repeated, "I am a Christian; I will not betray my Faith." The Spanish priest-inquisitor ordered a group of California Indians to cut off each finger of Peter's hands, one joint at a time, eventually cutting off his hands altogether. Finally, he ordered that Peter be disemboweled. Peter quickly died as a result of the tortures, witnessing to his Faith in God to his last breath. Just as they were ready to start on the next Aleut, the Spaniards received an order to stop the proceedinggs. This eyewitness account of Peter's martyrdom is told by some of his comrades who were eventually released.
When the incident was reported to St. Herman, back on Kodiak Island, the monk turned to his icon, crossed himself and exclaimed, "Holy, new-martyr Peter, pray to God for us!" Peter the Aleut was formally glorified as a saint, as the "Martyr of San Francisco;" in 1980. His feast day is commemorated on September 24.


I'm sure the Aleuts have allways been terrorists and desirved their treatment.

 

[prodromos]

I saw no videos, I saw it in person.

Saw what, in person?