What would it take for Orthodoxs to come under Pope

[prodromos]

For a history of the region of Kosovo and Metohija

http://www.kosovo.net/default3.html

 

[nestoj]

Two of my uncles travled to Bosnia to fight, so i do not need to be told what occured there. The one that made it home has told me all I would ever need to know. My other Uncle was one of the victums of Srebrenica massacre, committed by Serbians in which over 13,000 Bosnian and Muslim men were killed.

If I ware not a Serb, and my relative volunteered army of Bosnian muslims and died there, probably it wouldn’t be possible for me to accept anything else except that those who killed him ware demons, so I can understand your position...

But, for the rest of us, let's take a clearer look:

http://www.radstats.org.uk/no069/article3.htm - Vanessa Pupavac (Croatian or Slovenian – I’m not sure) Department of Politics University of Nottingham

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39bac263741e.htm - remember Racak - that’s why the bombing started.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/gowans1.html - some guy in MediaMonitors thinking at loud

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_organisations - what did Nato supported and why is the KLA, organization they supported on the list of terrorist organizations

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2124 – some interesting dates

nestoj
God helps

 

[SpiritDriven]

Hi. I would like to ask what it would take for the Orthodoxs to once again come under the Reign of the Pope? Thanks.

For many it will probably be because nobody will buy sell or trade with them...for fear of being put to the sword...burned alive at the stake, or beheaded.

When those days come, those who love their life will lose it, and those who hate their life will gain it.

Peace

 

[Sothron]

Two of my uncles travled to Bosnia to fight, so i do not need to be told what occured there. The one that made it home has told me all I would ever need to know. My other Uncle was one of the victums of Srebrenica massacre, committed by Serbians in which over 13,000 Bosnian and Muslim men were killed.

Given your lack of history knowledge and the fact you think Martin Luther is the Antichrist you have shown in other threads you will forgive me if I believe the numerous unbiased sources that tell the real picture of what happened versus an obviously biased one.

 

[prodromos]

Post #223 has been duly reported. When will people learn?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

For many it will probably be because nobody will buy sell or trade with them...for fear of being put to the sword...burned alive at the stake, or beheaded.

When those days come, those who love their life will lose it, and those who hate their life will gain it.

Peace

Umm, are you Orthodox? Then please do not respond if you are going to make comments like this and especially if you are not Orthodox. Thanks.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed/apokalufqhsetai <601>, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness/epifaneia <2015> of His parousiaV <3952>. [Matthew 24]

2 Peter 3:10 and it will come--the day of the Lord--as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.

12 waiting for and hasting to the parousian <3952> of the day of God, by which the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved, and the elements with burning heat shall melt

 

[Thekla]

Umm, are you Orthodox? Then please do not respond if you are going to make comments like this and especially if you are not Orthodox. Thanks.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed/apokalufqhsetai <601>, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness/epifaneia <2015> of His parousiaV <3952>. [Matthew 24]

2 Peter 3:10 and it will come--the day of the Lord--as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.

12 waiting for and hasting to the parousian <3952>of the day of God, by which the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved, and the elements with burning heat shall melt

We are almost at the Feast of the Transfiguration

(Matthew 17)

 

[MezzaMorta]

Those Muslim men were sacrificed by their leaders to provide a reason for the Serbs to be attacked. The Muslim forces used the "Safe Haven" status of Srebenica as a base from which they launched terrorist attacks on the Serbs in the surrounding villages. They then abandoned an easily defensible position, leaving their women and children to the mercy of the enraged Serbs and retreated in a manner which left them wide open to attack.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/Srebrenica/surrender-1995.html

BTW, has that number of 13,000 dead ever been confirmed. There has been plenty of time to examine the supposed 'mass graves' photographed with pinpoint accuracy by US spy satellites, yet on the ground they seem to be having a lot of difficulty finding them.

What disturbs me the most about all the history of the Balkans is how quickly the US and the UK are willing to turn on their former allies. Hundreds of US and UK pilots shot down over Yugoslavia during WWII were rescued and kept safe from the Germans by Chetnik Serbs, yet they are now portrayed as bloodthirsty demons.

[edit] Official figures seem to place the number killed at Srebenica at under 8000

This link is unacceptable, it is claiming that the victims of the Srebrenica massacre were at fault for being slaughtered by Serbians. It is some extremist right-wing Serbian nationalist site.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This link is unacceptable, it is claiming that the victims of the Srebrenica massacre were at fault for being slaughtered by Serbians. It is some extremist right-wing Serbian nationalist site.

Hi Mezza. What the heck does this have to do with why Orthodox will not come under the Pope, just as non-catholics will not come under him? Thanks.

Matthew 24:3 He is yet sitting on the Mount of the olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what the Sign of Thy ParousiaV <3952>, and the full-End of the Age?'

 

[MezzaMorta]

If I ware not a Serb, and my relative volunteered army of Bosnian muslims and died there, probably it wouldn’t be possible for me to accept anything else except that those who killed him ware demons, so I can understand your position...

But, for the rest of us, let's take a clearer look:

http://www.radstats.org.uk/no069/article3.htm - Vanessa Pupavac (Croatian or Slovenian – I’m not sure) Department of Politics University of Nottingham

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39bac263741e.htm - remember Racak - that’s why the bombing started.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/gowans1.html - some guy in MediaMonitors thinking at loud

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_organisations - what did Nato supported and why is the KLA, organization they supported on the list of terrorist organizations

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2124 – some interesting dates

nestoj
God helps

People will try to twist and manipulate history for their own personal benefit, to this date people still deny the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, Japanese war crimes… ect. Just add your name to the list beside Serbian War Crimes, the most brutal and largest genocide in European history since the Nazis gassed 12 million people to death.

Serbia had set up a comprehensive network of processing centers, connected by trains and other transport to interment/work camps, where tens of thousands of Bosnian and Croat civilians died from sickness, from there many were transported to execution camps or many just executed on spot by Serbian forces.
They sought to ethnically cleanse Bosnia, they sought to commit genocide against the Bosnians, they sought to commit genocide against the Croats and they meant(still are) committing genocide against the Albanians.

War Crimes in Kosovo
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/

Serb convicted in concentration camp trial
http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/indictments/DNikolicIWPRReport.htm

Serbian [FONT=&quot]Massacre in Rogove Village[/FONT] http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/rugove.htm

Bosnian Genocide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide

Serbian [FONT=&quot]Massacre in Reçak, Nerodime[/FONT]
http://www.alb-net.com/kcc/images/images.htm

Top Serbs tried for Kosovo crimes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5163844.stm

Serb leader receives 35 years in jail for crimes against humanity
http://www.guardian.co.uk/yugo/article/0,,2101529,00.html




Serbian forces operated over 677 concentration camps during the Bosnian war, including Omarska Concentration Camp, of which over 82 Serb military officials have been convicted of crime against humanity, murder, torture and rape for.

7000 Men, women and Children were in the camp, 145 mass graves were found when it was liberated. 150 people survived, according to the survivors, the Serbs would come in each night and between 30 to 150 would be singled out and taken to be killed in any number of brutal methods for the pleasure of the Serbs. One was lucky they said if they died instantly.



And you defend these people?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

People will try to twist and manipulate history for their own personal benefit, to this date people still deny the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, Japanese war crimes&#8230; ect. Just add your name to the list beside Serbian War Crimes, the most brutal and largest genocide in European history since the Nazis gassed 12 million people to death.
They sought to ethnically cleanse Bosnia, they sought to commit genocide against the Bosnians, they sought to commit genocide against the Croats and they meant(still are) committing genocide against the Albanians.

Hi. What religion were each of these groups? Thanks.

 

[Thekla]

I do not intend to be "evasive", but please note that following the scourge of communism, aprox. less than 5% of Serbians were Orthodox (meaning baptised), much less observant.

 

[MezzaMorta]

Hi. What religion were each of these groups? Thanks.

Which groups? In Bosnia? Croats are mostly Catholic, Bosneks are mostly Muslim and Serbians are mostly Orthodox.

 

[Oblio]

And this handwringing over the Serbs has exactly what to do with the OP ?

Back on topic please.

 

[nestoj]

Just add your name to the list beside Serbian War Crimes.

Yes, your Honor, I will. And to what punishment do you sentance me.

And you defend these people?

Individuals who committed crimes - no, none of them on whatever side they ware.

All of the nations involved - you bet I do.

nestoj
God helps

 

[nestoj]

And this handwringing over the Serbs has exactly what to do with the OP ?

Back on topic please.

Well, you know it's a Serbs fault for Orthodox not becoming RC's.

nestoj
God helps

 

[Andrew21091]

I don't see what the events that happened in Serbia has anything to do with Orthodoxy going with the Pope. This thread has gone so off topic.

 

[abuhanifah]

I roared when I read this lol

The differences in "theology", although apparently small , can seem almost insurmountable ... to the "Orthodox mind", these small differences actually betray a very different understanding of God and the "spiritual anthropology" or understanding of man. An "understanding" of God leads to an understanding of man and the way to salvation. This is at the core of our worship, for "orthodox" means both "right belief and right worship".

Should agreement be reached in the future, recognize that the Orthodox (both Oriental and Eastern) are unlikely rushed in these matters. 1500 years is but a drop in the eternal ...

EDIT: also, I don't think the Orthodox would say "come under the pope"; the Pope of Rome was considered "first among equals" but still had "one vote".

Orthodox may mean "right belief and right worship" for Orthodox Christians and i agree with you there, but it doesn't mean that for other "christians"

 

[abuhanifah]

I'll answer you the best I can here, though you might want to ask in TAW where I can guarantee you will receive the correct answers.

Renouncing Catholicism simply means returning to Orthodoxy. The two are what you would call separate "denominations," basically, though we definitely would not consider ourselves such (what with that whole "one holy catholic and apostolic Church" thing ). There are a few theological points that we feel would need fixing, basically.

What's un-Orthodox about Roman Catholicism? Well, as stated earlier, the main issues that caused the split were the papacy (the bishop of Rome was always the first among equals, not what he is now) and the insertion of the filioque - Orthodoxy condemns the idea that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son as He does from the Father as heretical. There are plenty of others that have arisen over the years, such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

We do not have a pope as do the Roman Catholics. There are a number of autocephalous churches (such as the church of Greece, Antioch, Russia, Bulgaria, Jerusalem, and so forth) and all have patriarchs, but none of them alone are infallible as the RCs claim the pope to be.

Somebody correct me if any of that is inaccurate. Again, visit TAW if you want some really good answers to your questions.

Perfect

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Orthodox may mean "right belief and right worship" for Orthodox Christians and i agree with you there, but it doesn't mean that for other "christians"

Salam. Thanks for dropping by and giving your view. Always good to see a muslim come aboard once in awhile, especially since I have flooded the NCR board with a ton of posts

http://www.christianforums.com/f76-non-christian-religion.html