What would falsify creationism?

[paulm50]

I don't need to ask anyone. God has no creator. It is in the natural world alone that cause and effect are present.

It's easy for men to create gods and religions.

21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools,23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.…

As easy as it is to create books to tell people what to believe. Part of the process.

Even you agree Genesis is wrong.

 

[paulm50]

All of Creation is the evidence. God makes it evident so they that they are without excuse. Yet they did not Honor God or give thanks. Then Paul goes on to describe what pretty much looks like evolutionary theory to me. As we all know the theory goes back to the Greeks. As so much of science today goes back to the Greeks.

Rom 1:19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.…

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

In his letter to the Corinthian church Paul also talks about wisdom and foolishness. They claimed to be wise when they professed the foolishness of the Bible, but they were only professing their own foolishness. For this reason we need to instruct our young people to be wise and not to become foolish when they study science. As has happened to some.

So if there was no creation as the bible explains, there is no god. That's confusing, because there are so many gods, and creation is a myth.

 

[Oncedeceived]

How did life start from nothing.

As I said, you have to start from the basis that Genesis is wrong to adopt that argument. Either god did it as the bible says, 6,000 years ago, or he didn't.

There is nothing in the Bible that states it was created 6,000 years ago.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Evidence this is right.

"Which makes my point, even if they could get life to form, it would be from intelligent design. Intelligence is needed or it would happen in the real world. Even if conditions on the early earth were different, we don't know how they were and it would be from knowledge of how chemistry works to even succeed at the end goal."

It will have to be from the bible, or in a way that backs the bible story. Or the bible is wrong. That's the problem for creationists of any form. When they drop back to something like the bib bang or the firls cells being gods work. Because that's the only gaps science has to fill. They agree the bible starts with mistakes.

I seriously don't understand the point your are trying to make.

 

[Oncedeceived]

It's easy for men to create gods and religions.
As easy as it is to create books to tell people what to believe. Part of the process.

Yes, like the stories and might be, could be and plausibly could happen.

Even you agree Genesis is wrong.

No, I don't agree it is wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is nothing short of moronic.

Kinda what I thought.

In plain English, you don't know where the universe came from, therefore no one else should, either.

Scientists remind me of the man who lost his car keys in an alley, but is searching underneath a lamp post on the corner because it's "lighter there."

 

[Loudmouth]

The point is not whether you can ask questions civilly its legitimately (after you going after someone who even apologized) whether you can conduct yourself civilly when answers or a discussion arises out of those questions. Why is it so difficult for you to say yes I will be civil?

Obviously its too difficult for you so I choose to skip your questions entirely but will freely discuss issues with others here including atheists anything. Unless you wish to imply you are so special over them I need to duck your questions that should be fine and "its all good" with this thread and with me since i am not impressed with how you conduct yourself in adult conversation

Predictable.

 

[bhsmte]

All of Creation is the evidence. God makes it evident so they that they are without excuse. Yet they did not Honor God or give thanks. Then Paul goes on to describe what pretty much looks like evolutionary theory to me. As we all know the theory goes back to the Greeks. As so much of science today goes back to the Greeks.

Rom 1:19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.…

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

In his letter to the Corinthian church Paul also talks about wisdom and foolishness. They claimed to be wise when they professed the foolishness of the Bible, but they were only professing their own foolishness. For this reason we need to instruct our young people to be wise and not to become foolish when they study science. As has happened to some.

Just more preaching.

 

[paulm50]

There is nothing in the Bible that states it was created 6,000 years ago.

Then go argue that with the believers who say it was. I'm not arguing myth with you.

I seriously don't understand the point your are trying to make.

You mande the point, I asked you to prove it.

Yes, like the stories and might be, could be and plausibly could happen.
No, I don't agree it is wrong.

Genesis isn't plausible, and once you disagree with it, as it's written, with the lives of the people and prophets. You disagree with it. It's most obvious flaw is making the second generation farmers. Farming came very late in the life of humans. No need to debate that the evidence is overwhelming.

Religions are easy to start, and with them often comes gods, or men who started them are considered god like. With so many over the 100,000s of years Man has been on Earth. It needs a particular religion to establish that there is right.

Christianity wasn't created by Jesus, it was created by Paul and Peter with the help of others. The biggest boost was getting to Rome and promising people with a lifespan of 35 - 40. That it wasn't all over when they died, if only they worshipped this god. Constantine saw the growth at a time of turmoil in the Roman Empire, and made it official. Jesus inspired the people who went on and adapted and spread the new message.

Given that all men are sinners, power on Earth goes to the rulers and most powerful. The odds we follow and gods words are long. We follow the words on Men. That's plain in the way religions make women second class. Do you really believe a god is bothered if a woman has a period, doesn't cover herself from head to foot, covers her head in church, speaks in church, conceiving is a sin, etc? That's a very petty minded god. Men on the other hand are known for it.

 

[paulm50]

Kinda what I thought.

In plain English, you don't know where the universe came from, therefore no one else should, either.

Scientists remind me of the man who lost his car keys in an alley, but is searching underneath a lamp post on the corner because it's "lighter there."

We don't know where the Universe came from. We do know where the Earth came from and where Man evolved from.

Creationism reminds me of the man who lost his car keys in an alley, but is searching underneath a lamp post on the corner because it's the simplest explanation.

 

[AV1611VET]

We don't know where the Universe came from.

We do though.

And people can claim we don't, but that's not going to change anything.

 

[ScottA]

Of course you know him better because he is in your head, you could not get closer than in your head.

You're not qualified to say that...which eludes to your real position.

They think and feel exactly the same way about their God as you do about yours, for them their God is the Real God and yours is the feel good invention.
Standing on the outside looking in it's pretty obvious that all Gods are nothing more than feel good inventions.

You are not standing on the outside...which eludes to your real position.

Question.
If your God is not just a feel good invention how come you can get rid of it just by changing your mind?

I can't. Nor can you...which eludes to your real position.

 

[Loudmouth]

To respond to the topic in general, there is nothing that could disprove creation (hypothetically) except for a device that could reverse the flow of time, make us able to see God, and take us back to the time the world came into being.

Essentially the same argument was made by Phillip Henry Gosse in his 1857 book "Omphalos: An Attempt to Untie the Geological Knot".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_(book)

Omphalos is greek for "belly button", which is a reference to the question of whether God created Adam with a belly button, even though Adam was never attached to a placenta. In the book, Gosse argues that God created the universe with fake age. IOW, you should just ignore all of the evidence around us and just believe that the universe is young in spite of the evidence.

Most Christians don't find that to be an attractive theology.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Reply to post #306 (sorry, but I lost the quote somehow in my reply).

I kind of like the description of the work of scientists in the new Evolution's Achilles Heels DVD, where it says that scientists are like a dog following a scent, zig-zagging along the way but only very occasionally getting things right. That's why their text books change so often and why the stuff we are told is true today is discarded later on.

I have another DVD, which is quite interesting. It's entitled "Artistic Ape Anecdotes: The Art of Deception?" The blurb on the back goes on, "Dr Batten deals with the claimed 'apeman' fossils in the evolutionary tree as promoted by the Smithsonian Institute and he shows the stories do not match the facts. The fossil patterns fit a post-Flood dispersal of apes and a somewhat later post-Babel dispersal of humans. Also shows how detailed illustrations are imaginatively created from fragmentary fossils."

 

[joshua 1 9]

So if there was no creation as the bible explains, there is no god. That's confusing, because there are so many gods, and creation is a myth.

To answer your question. The "so many Gods" your referring to are basically demons that follow Satan in his rebellion against God. The Bible refers to: "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe." So you have just done an effective job of showing that the Bible is true. I have studied some Greek Mythology and I have studied the Bible and I can assure you that there is no comparison. If your confused it is because you have not actually studied either mythology or the Bible.

 

[Loudmouth]

I kind of like the description of the work of scientists in the new Evolution's Achilles Heels DVD, where it says that scientists are like a dog following a scent, zig-zagging along the way but only very occasionally getting things right. That's why their text books change so often and why the stuff we are told is true today is discarded later on.

Are you saying that you would trust science more if we were still using Phlogiston as the explanation for fire?

When are you sick, do you seek out a treatment created by science?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Then go argue that with the believers who say it was. I'm not arguing myth with you.

I think your running a scam here, but I will address this. The Bible says that God created Adam and Eve 6,000 years ago in the Garden of Eden. This was in what Science calls ancient Mesopotamia. If you want to know how old the earth is then Science can help you there. The Bible does not really tell us the age of the Earth. God put that information in the Earth what they call the natural record or the natural evidence. For example the study of geology can help you to discover the age of the earth.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Which is why in America they're so keen to not have evolution taught.

I thought it was the other way round, that they weren't keen to have creation taught in schools (because they are afraid that if it is, even more people will start to doubt evolution).

 

[joshua 1 9]

When are you sick, do you seek out a treatment created by science?

I did and do you know what science told me? If you eat right, exercise, control your stress and maintain healthy relationships you will stay healthy and you will not need a doctor. That can pretty much be confirmed to be true with the Bible. At least the Bible does not contradict the advise they are giving me. Except the Bible says it is ok to eat some meat and Science says it is not ok.

 

[Loudmouth]

I did and do you know what science told me? If you eat right, exercise, control your stress and maintain healthy relationships you will stay healthy and you will not need a doctor.

You will be immortal?

Where does science state this?