What would falsify creationism?

[joshua 1 9]

Just more preaching.

There is a difference between preaching and teaching.

 

[Loudmouth]

There is a difference between preaching and teaching.

With teaching, you impart knowledge. With preaching, you indoctrinate into beliefs. Unfortunately, you do more of the latter than the former.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You will be immortal?

Where does science state this?

Science says you can live out your full life. The average age expectancy right now is around 80 I think. They try to keep people alive at least that long. The Bible says we can add years to our life as we all know there is a potential for people to live up to 120 years. But 100 is doing pretty good.

Their main objective is to avoid surgery and the need for medication. They have to have something to measure. The people in their study have less heart disease, less cancer and less diabetes following this guideline. Lots of people go through the program they put me through. The only difference is I read some of the books on the reading list and was very surprised at what I read in those books.

Also Francis Collins talks about this very subject in the link you gave me to read. You did read that yourself didn't you?

 

[joshua 1 9]

With teaching, you impart knowledge. With preaching, you indoctrinate into beliefs. Unfortunately, you do more of the latter than the former.

I may but in the post we were talking about I was comparing Evolution today with the same theory as it was taught by the Greeks 2,000 years ago. I used Paul in the Bible who was a Greek as a expert witness to make my point.

 

[Davian]

 

[marineimaging]

Either God is real or God is real. In other words, absolutely nothing. I have had several encounters with our Lord in varying degrees. The notion that there is not a God, Father, Jesus, Creator, I am that I am, One and ONLY took a hike for me starting the day I received Christ as a teen. His presence in my proximity was reinforced later with audible and visual, hands-on, real encounters. I was told it was "not my time" as a boat sank beneath me in Alaska, I was physically lifted over the edge of a cliff in Colorado, I was face to face with a disciple in my garage with Jesus standing behind him, and I was one-on-one with the Lord during my time in ICU after a heart attack. Nothing will ever change nor take the place of God.

 

[liberal.luke]

"Creationism" in itself is not based in evidence, but human ideas. It's something "that has to be believed in" for it to be true to whomever believes it. Personal beliefs cannot be falsified if they aren't based in evidence to begin with.

Creationism can be only challenged through philosophical question. A conjecture of this may be something like:

1. Was there the idea of God before humans existed? What constitutes as a human believing in God? As there is evidence of evolution in humans (remains of homo erectus and Homo sapiens).

2. If there was no idea of God before humans existed, did/does He exist at all? Or does it even matter if he existed prior to human thought, as humans are the only living thing that worships a deity?

3. If there was an idea of God before human existed, did he intend for evolution to happen in humans?

These questions only challenge creationism because creationism is a belief and not en evidential conjecture.

 

[paulm50]

We do though.

And people can claim we don't, but that's not going to change anything.

Agreed, we know it was the big bang, we're trying to find out what created that.

People can claim the Earth and all the species were created in 6 days, but that's not going to change anything.

That's why their text books change so often and why the stuff we are told is true today is discarded later on.

They're changed so they can be updated with the newest information. As for discarding old information, they rarely do that because it's wrong. It's just they need to add new on top of the old. If you can find many parts that are discarded because they now think a book that hasn't been updated for 3,000 years is right, made up from oral stories a lot older. Be sure to tell the world.

 

[paulm50]

To answer your question. The "so many Gods" your referring to are basically demons that follow Satan in his rebellion against God. The Bible refers to: "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe." So you have just done an effective job of showing that the Bible is true. I have studied some Greek Mythology and I have studied the Bible and I can assure you that there is no comparison. If your confused it is because you have not actually studied either mythology or the Bible.

Seems god is on the losing side then. Or he allows satan to run free and before the Israelites discovered him, satan had free reign.

People can claim whatever, but that's not going to change anything. Until they produce evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

I may but in the post we were talking about I was comparing Evolution today with the same theory as it was taught by the Greeks 2,000 years ago.

The same theory wasn't around 2,000 years ago.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The same theory wasn't around 2,000 years ago.

The same theory was not around even in Darwin's day.

 

[Loudmouth]

The same theory was not around even in Darwin's day.

Then why did you say that it was around 2,000 years ago?

 

[StOoPid MoNkEy]

Which makes my point, even if they could get life to form, it would be from intelligent design. Intelligence is needed or it would happen in the real world. Even if conditions on the early earth were different, we don't know how they were and it would be from knowledge of how chemistry works to even succeed at the end goal.

You contradict yourself. Now we can't observe it because the world may have been different before then it wouldn't require intelligence.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Seems god is on the losing side then. Or he allows satan to run free and before the Israelites discovered him, satan had free reign.

It was actually Michael that did battle with Satan.

Rev12:7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.…

I wonder how much they could have gotten for the tickets for that event.

 

[StOoPid MoNkEy]

depends on how this life is created.
in order to be valid, it must be created from the elements in one continuous reaction.
in my opinion, if science accomplishes the above, it will completely smash the god scenario forever.

the big question is, will science ever accomplish such a feat.
currently, the prospects doesn't look good.
given the head start of the final functioning product, vast computing power, and an almost endless amount of research, science isn't even close to achieving this goal.

Actually biologists would disagree. We are creating more and more building blocks and understanding of chemistry. We can create and manipulate artificial cells and their nuclei.

They said we would never reach the moon.

 

[StOoPid MoNkEy]

What evidence do you have that evolution is anything other than a mindless, unguided, undirected process with no goals or plan? what could be guiding it? someone's imagination?
Other animals do not have Gods because they have no imaginations with which to imagine Gods.

perhaps you don't understand evolution. It's not undirected.

 

[StOoPid MoNkEy]

Just as the title says. What evidence could show that creationism was wrong? And I am talking hypothetical here (I've seen that some people here have trouble grasping that concept).

wait. It hasn't been proven to be correct. So it's a malformed question. Now. One can say that lack of evidence where there should be is indeed evidence of it not existing or not being true. We are physical beings that can only measure a physical universe. it's kind of nonsensical to really ask this question.

 

[whois]

Actually biologists would disagree. We are creating more and more building blocks and understanding of chemistry. We can create and manipulate artificial cells and their nuclei.

They said we would never reach the moon.

i direct you to the book "the logic of chance" by eugene koonin who happens to be a molecular biologist and the lead investigator of NCBI.

 

[paulm50]

"Creationism" in itself is not based in evidence, but human ideas. It's something "that has to be believed in" for it to be true to whomever believes it. Personal beliefs cannot be falsified if they aren't based in evidence to begin with.

Creationism can be only challenged through philosophical question. A conjecture of this may be something like:

1. Was there the idea of God before humans existed? What constitutes as a human believing in God? As there is evidence of evolution in humans (remains of homo erectus and Homo sapiens).

2. If there was no idea of God before humans existed, did/does He exist at all? Or does it even matter if he existed prior to human thought, as humans are the only living thing that worships a deity?

3. If there was an idea of God before human existed, did he intend for evolution to happen in humans?

These questions only challenge creationism because creationism is a belief and not en evidential conjecture.

Evolution is based very solidly in evidence.

Your points are very true, there may well be a god of some sort. What is wrong is Genesis account of creation. That's not a philosophical point. The evidence is clear. Evolution happened to nearly everything and is still happening. All proven. Even with species that go back to before the dinosaurs and still with us, they changed (evolved).

I thought it was the other way round, that they weren't keen to have creation taught in schools (because they are afraid that if it is, even more people will start to doubt evolution).

No, in some States they're very keen to keep evolution out of schools. In case people learn the truth, like most scientists have.

You can't win that argument. The world has woken up, even school kids have access to the Internet and can find the numbers who support creationism. Which are falling.

Education is a problem for creationists.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What evidence do you have that evolution is anything other than a mindless, unguided, undirected process with no goals or plan? what could be guiding it? someone's imagination?

Some would say it is guided by survival of the fittest. Meaning that the unfit do not survive.

When God says: Gen 1:31 "And Godsaw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." VERY GOOD means that creation did not have mistakes, errors, mutations or any such thing. He actually is returning for a church without spot, blemish or wrinkle. He will: "transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body." So we will no longer have to endure the weakness of the flesh.