What value is Homosexuality to society?

[Mobiosity]

Left-handed people often find it far easier work in areas that right-handed people find difficult --- or doing things that require left-handed leverage.

They are also in more accidents and tend to die earlier than righties.

 

[LittleNipper]

So Christ's Commandment means nothing to you... good to know.

If I sin, I would expect to be treated as a sinner and not imagine my sins are better (or worse yet) not sins at all... The liberal community seems to consider sin only when they are try to make their point and not at all when they are at fault in them.

 

[LittleNipper]

Homosexuality isn't a lifestyle. It's a sexual orientation. Whether you regard it as a valid orientation is kind of moot - people are, and will continually to be homosexual, just as people will continue to be heterosexual, and people will continue to be bisexual, and people will continue to be pansexual, and people will continue to be asexual.

Does it matter what homosexuality has to offer society?

David.

No one needs to have sex in order to live. However, one needs sex to have children. And it does matter.

Benefits are extended by society because of contibutions the society expects to reap and also as a means to prevent abuses.

Example: Driving is a privilege. Citizens must follow certain regulations and be physically able to drive a car. But in the end, driving encourages travel and that stimulates commerce. Drunks keep bars happy, but drunk drivers are not allowed to drive and may lose their driving license because they cause ACCIDENTS, which hurt and kill people. This causes other people to be upset and insurance rates to rise.

Homosexual marriage will strain the marrige institution which already faces a very high divorce rate. Why? Because it is like saying anything goes. Marry whomever, whenever, whyever ------ we really don't care. And if you divorce, oh well, any children will suffer, but who cares... If you default on the mortgage and can't pay bills, who cares... This is all great for society and everything will be great because homosexuals will be rewarded and that is all that matters........................ Let's let drunks drive also, they at least cut down the surplus population

 

[rambot]

If I sin, I would expect to be treated as a sinner and not imagine my sins are better (or worse yet) not sins at all... The liberal community seems to consider sin only when they are try to make their point and not at all when they are at fault in them.

hmm....treated as a sinner. Interesting. Given that EVERY HUMAN BEING sins, I wonder exactly how we are supposed to treat sinners?

Why? Because it is like saying anything goes.

So your argument seems to be that because two gay men who have been in a monogamous relationship for over a decade and who remain in love are able to marry, I could divorce my wife and marry my favorite leather couch.

IF you are going to argue the slippery slope argument then be prepared to slide right down to the bottom.

No one needs to have sex in order to live. However, one needs sex to have children. And it does matter.

FYI:
UBC In Vitro Fertilization Program
Also:
Small World Adoption - A Christian International Adoption Agency
Sexual vaginal intercourse has to happen in order for children to be created, but there is a difference between "having children" and "raising children in a family". Trust me, there are PLENTY of people out there who have had children but have no business raising them.

So why do you put all the value being able to bear a child without concentrating on the REAL issue: ability to raise a child?
I would rather high functioning gay people be able to adopt children then low functioning neglectful and abusive parents retain them just cause a condom ripped.

 

[LittleNipper]

No, gay marriage exists because of the liberal agenda. Much of that began in Europe well over 100 years ago. Many good people moved to America trying to get away from the powdered wig pretentious hypocrisy of the likes of Louis the XIV and XV vanities. You think you want a "gay" society. Imagine living in any city in Europe in the 17th and 18th century --- with all its posh frills, ruffles, ribbons, fake beauty marks, and lace.

I don't ever want our society to become so sexually decadent. All the pretention can stay in the closet.

 

[roflcopter101]

What is wrong with sin?
Yes, killing infringes upon the rights of others, but I don't think it's bad to gorge myself at all-you-can-eats (assuming I'm not obese) or have promiscuous sex (with protection) or wanting to get obscenely rich (without ruining people's lives) or being lazy (sometimes) or being extremely full of myself (all of the time).
I'd venture to say they're pretty fun.

 

[Polycarp1]

If I sin, I would expect to be treated as a sinner and not imagine my sins are better (or worse yet) not sins at all... The liberal community seems to consider sin only when they are try to make their point and not at all when they are at fault in them.

Thanks for your answer above. While I disagre, I do take your point. As a friendly comment, you might consider rewording your "Not at all" comment (which I took as you evidently meant it) owing to people misreading it.

I do think, however, that you misunderstand the attitude of liberal Christians (and yes, I know you said "the liberal community" -- but we're included). Far more of us believe ourselves to be responding to Christ's call to show compassion and exemplify His love to others, even at the expense of calling out on sinfulness, than any excusal or condoning of sin per se. (Also, we tend to disagree with you on what Scripture calls sin, but that's grist for a different debate, one we've done too many times already.)

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Homosexual marriage will strain the marrige institution which already faces a very high divorce rate. Why? Because it is like saying anything goes. Marry whomever, whenever, whyever ------ we really don't care. And if you divorce, oh well, any children will suffer, but who cares... If you default on the mortgage and can't pay bills, who cares... This is all great for society and everything will be great because homosexuals will be rewarded and that is all that matters........................ Let's let drunks drive also, they at least cut down the surplus population

Slippery slope fallacies don't make for good arguments. And for all your talk about whining liberals, you seem to be doing the "sky is falling" whine quite well yourself...

 

[ArgentBear]

Gay marriage isn't honest. It is fake and exists only to spite conservatives and make a statement. Over 200 years ago, people were marrying American Indians, so what you are saying is wrong. The main issue with whites marrying blacks is that of the real possibility of pigment skin blotching of the children and that was a concern.

I am sure that forty years ago there were those misguided people saying that interracial marriages were not “real” their bible waving and protesting didn’t change interracial marriages into “fake” marriages just like to today.

The married same gendered people I know married because of love and commitment and to found a family.

 

[Krus]

What is wrong with sin?
Yes, killing infringes upon the rights of others, but I don't think it's bad to gorge myself at all-you-can-eats (assuming I'm not obese) or have promiscuous sex (with protection) or wanting to get obscenely rich (without ruining people's lives) or being lazy (sometimes) or being extremely full of myself (all of the time).
I'd venture to say they're pretty fun.

You think promiscuous sex is not bad?

 

[ArgentBear]

They choose who they will make sex with...

But gays and lesbians don’t choose their sexual orientation.
They do choose to refuse to lie and pretend to be something they are not however.

They lie when they call going from person to person to person the result of inborn love orientation.

The only people I know that this describes are heterosexual college students at spring break

But I can just imagine the nasty remarks homosexuals might come up with if we suddenly decided that one's sexual identity was the result of breeding.

All the evidence shows that sexual orientation is inborn

 

[David Brider]

No one needs to have sex in order to live.

I never said they did.

However, one needs sex to have children.

Not entirely true - it's possible to have children through non-sexual means thanks to science.

And it does matter...homosexual marriage will strain the marrige institution which already faces a very high divorce rate.

Well, hang on a minute there - we were talking about why it matters what homosexuality has to offer society - not (what you insist on calling) homosexual marriage.

Why? Because it is like saying anything goes. Marry whomever, whenever, whyever ------ we really don't care.

No; allowing same-gender marriage is simply saying that it's okay for two people of the same gender to marry in the same way that it's otherwise perfectly acceptable for two people of the opposite gender to marry. It's not saying "anything goes".

And if you divorce, oh well, any children will suffer, but who cares...

No, the fact that people are in favour of same-gender marriage doesn't mean that they think divorce is something to be treated as frivolously as you suggest.

If you default on the mortgage and can't pay bills, who cares...

Not really sure how you see that as being specifically relevant to same-gender marriage? It's a problem, AFAIA, for single people and couples and families, regardless of sexual orientation.

This is all great for society and everything will be great because homosexuals will be rewarded and that is all that matters........................

So, can you give me any actual examples of how same-gender marriage is likely to harm society? Bearing in mind that there are a few examples of societies where same-gender marriage has been legal for some time (South Africa, Canada, Sweden and the Netherlands being four examples), and one would expect any negative consequences to have shown up in those nations by now.

David.

 

[ArgentBear]

And this is why I quote God's word instead of man's. It doesn't matter too much what a man says. What matters is what God says and the majority of yall got a problem with what God says.

Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matt 22:37-40

Please explain how prejudice and the justification of discrimination against a minority is in keeping with God’s word?

 

[ArgentBear]

No one is telling a homosexual man that he cannot marry some nice lady

Just like 40 years ago no one was telling blacks men they couldn’t marry someone of the 'correct' skin color…

and have children and all the benefits that go with same (becoming a daddy/father and a loving husband.

Hey just like how gay men marry and become a daddy/father and good spouse to each other

A single person doesn't get social benefits of marriage --- nor does such aan individual expect any ----------YET. People would say such a person (should such complain) has only himself to blame.

Single people are single no matter if they are gay or straight. Just like married people are married no matter what gender their spouse is

If a man decides to lay naked on the beach on a sunny day, he cannot blame others for his severe case of sunburn and expect not the suffer on his own account.

The choices are out there for everyone. And every choice has its good and bad points. The homosexuals need to get over their whinning and grow up ----- accept the responsibilities for their own lot in life. They can always rethink their choices.

And they usually choose to not lie about who they are and marry a nice person of the same gender and start a family

PS> The homosexual guy can always find himself a lady with a mustache, hairy legs and bad breath. Just think of the possibilities!

should we imagine your wife appearing as this?

 

[ArgentBear]

No, gay marriage exists because of the liberal agenda. Much of that began in Europe well over 100 years ago. Many good people moved to America trying to get away from the powdered wig pretentious hypocrisy of the likes of Louis the XIV and XV vanities. You think you want a "gay" society. Imagine living in any city in Europe in the 17th and 18th century --- with all its posh frills, ruffles, ribbons, fake beauty marks, and lace.

I don't ever want our society to become so sexually decadent. All the pretention can stay in the closet.

I can’t imagine how much the 14th amendment must bother you

 

[ArgentBear]

Nope, gay marriage is not yet a national phenomena. I suppose it could be found throughout other countries, but it's only spotty here. Gays shouldn't be able to marry. Civil unions are fine, but marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman, according to The Holy Bible. Being homosexual isn't a sin, acting on your impulses is.

The bible defines marriage as polygamous more often than not.
That point aside why should the laws of a country that specifically does not have a state religion bow to the whims of the opinion of some of that religion?
Should non-Christians be denied the right to marry as well?

 

[ArgentBear]

Their adjustment is very much dependent on the relationship between the parents, (is it respectful, and loving) therefore making the child feel secure. And if there is a role model of the sex opposite to their parents to show them how to be that sex or how to judge the quality of a person of that sex.

Yet all the studies I have read indicate that the children of gay/lesbian parents are happy, health and well adjusted individuals and remain so into adulthood.
So if you know of any legitimately published study showing that somehow the children of gays and lesbians are not well adjusted please share it with the rest of us

 

[Gishin]

Atheists can believe in having children and that sex is for producing same. And no one is suggesting that anyone cannot enjoy having sex ---- as long as one knows what it's for and have it only with one's husband or wife after marriage.

So it doesn't have to be biblical as long as it pretends to be biblical?

 

[ArgentBear]

No one needs to have sex in order to live. However, one needs sex to have children. And it does matter.

Unless of course one adopts…
You have been asked a couple times if adopted children are part of ‘real’ families or not…yet you never answer

Benefits are extended by society because of contibutions the society expects to reap and also as a means to prevent abuses.

So same gendered married couples provide contributions to society just as heterosexual couples who adopt or choose to remain childless do

Homosexual marriage will strain the marrige institution

Please provide actual evidence to back up your claim

Why? Because it is like saying anything goes. Marry whomever, whenever, whyever ------ we really don't care.

Just like interracial marriage

And if you divorce, oh well, any children will suffer, but who cares... If you default on the mortgage and can't pay bills, who cares... This is all great for society and everything will be great because homosexuals will be rewarded and that is all that matters........................ Let's let drunks drive also, they at least cut down the surplus population

Why should we assume that same gendered marriage will have anywhere near the same divorce rate as heterosexual marriage?

 

[ArgentBear]

You think promiscuous sex is not bad?

What does promiscuous sex have to do with the topic of this thread?