What value is Homosexuality to society?

[Zaac]

The bible defines marriage as polygamous more often than not.
That point aside why should the laws of a country that specifically does not have a state religion bow to the whims of the opinion of some of that religion?
Should non-Christians be denied the right to marry as well?

It does not. It shows disobedient men doing what they want like a lot of folks on here want to do. He NEVER affirms anything as His ideal of marriage except the unioning of one husband with one wife.

He ALLOWED for people to do whatever they want just as He does with divorce but still calls it sin.

 

[ArgentBear]

It does not. It shows disobedient men doing what they want like a lot of folks on here want to do. He NEVER affirms anything as His ideal of marriage except the unioning of one husband with one wife.

He ALLOWED for people to do whatever they want just as He does with divorce but still calls it sin.

Who married multiple women to a single man? The priests of God

What does God’s word call the multiple women married to a single man? He calls them wives.

Where does God condemn polygamy? No where

Where does God forbid polygamy to the average man? No where.

Does God’s word contain rules about dividing a man’s inheritance among the children of his multiple wives? Yes it does

Does God’s word contain rules about how a man should treat his multiple wives? It sure does

What does God command a man should do to his childless and widowed sister in law? He commands he marry her and forcibly impregnate her regardless of whether or not he is already married

 

[ToddNotTodd]

He ALLOWED for people to do whatever they want just as He does with divorce but still calls it sin.

As a non believer, I don't care what label Christians put on my actions. And since the government is secular, it doesn't either.

 

[roflcopter101]

You think promiscuous sex is not bad?

I think sex is fun.

 

[Zaac]

Who married multiple women to a single man? The priests of God

What does God’s word call the multiple women married to a single man? He calls them wives.

Where does God condemn polygamy? No where

Where does God forbid polygamy to the average man? No where.

Does God’s word contain rules about dividing a man’s inheritance among the children of his multiple wives? Yes it does

Does God’s word contain rules about how a man should treat his multiple wives? It sure does

What does God command a man should do to his childless and widowed sister in law? He commands he marry her and forcibly impregnate her regardless of whether or not he is already married

You still haven't shown him affirming His idea of marriage as anything other than what He states in Genesis 2.

 

[ArgentBear]

You still haven't shown him affirming His idea of marriage as anything other than what He states in Genesis 2.

Except of all the points above of course

 

[Polycarp1]

You still haven't shown him affirming His idea of marriage as anything other than what He states in Genesis 2.

Not to be a wise-alec, but would you make the case for its being stated in Genesis 2, or in the Gospels for that matter. I've seen it repeatedly asserted, but to the best of my knowledge the custom of man-woman monogamy is simply commented on favorably by Christ (and the putting away of wives condemned), and the Genesis passage simply tells what I believe is called an idiolectic story -- the origin, in the hallowed past, of a custom.

This is in no way to denigrate the importance and blessedness of a traditional covenanted marriage -- it's just to ask you to make the case for why that particular form of marriage, among several in which the Hebrew people indulged with evident divine blessing, or at least not overt condemnation, is considered as being defined as the only proper form of marraige in those passages by conservative Bible-believing Christians. I think sorting that out would help to end the "talking past each other" that has been going on far too long.

 

[The Lady Kate]

It does not. It shows disobedient men doing what they want like a lot of folks on here want to do. He NEVER affirms anything as His ideal of marriage except the unioning of one husband with one wife.

He ALLOWED for people to do whatever they want just as He does with divorce but still calls it sin.

None of which is relevent when discussing what should or should not be US law. Unless there is a secular purpose for denying homosexual marriage, arguments are going to be ignored as baseless.

LittleNipper's OP musings about how Teh gheys "serve no value to society," is as close as anyone's come, and that sounds more like an argument for eugenics than outlawing gay marriage.

 

[LittleNipper]

But gays and lesbians don’t choose their sexual orientation.
They do choose to refuse to lie and pretend to be something they are not however.



The only people I know that this describes are heterosexual college students at spring break


All the evidence shows that sexual orientation is inborn

Again, I would say that no one has to have sex in order to live. There are guys who have been born with an orientation to be hot tempered and controlling. That does not make it right and many work at keeping their temper in check.

There are guys who cannot drink without drinking to excess. They join AA and never drink again.

Sin in inborn ---- the Bible says so. That doesn't make it okay simply because it makes some people feel good...

Society gets no lasting benefit when it encourages sinful behavior.

 

[Gishin]

I don't believe you.

Now what?

 

[Zebra1552]

Now go live your life until you realize the error of your ways on your death bed.

 

[The Lady Kate]

Again, I would say that no one has to have sex in order to live. There are guys who have been born with an orientation to be hot tempered and controlling. That does not make it right and many work at keeping their temper in check.

There are guys who cannot drink without drinking to excess. They join AA and never drink again.

Sin in inborn ---- the Bible says so. That doesn't make it okay simply because it makes some people feel good...

Society gets no lasting benefit when it encourages sinful behavior.

Funny you should mention alcoholism... drinking is considered a sinful behavior. Remember what happened when society tried to outlaw that?

Here's a hint:

 

[Zaac]

Not to be a wise-alec, but would you make the case for its being stated in Genesis 2, or in the Gospels for that matter. I've seen it repeatedly asserted, but to the best of my knowledge the custom of man-woman monogamy is simply commented on favorably by Christ (and the putting away of wives condemned), and the Genesis passage simply tells what I believe is called an idiolectic story -- the origin, in the hallowed past, of a custom.

This is in no way to denigrate the importance and blessedness of a traditional covenanted marriage -- it's just to ask you to make the case for why that particular form of marriage, among several in which the Hebrew people indulged with evident divine blessing, or at least not overt condemnation, is considered as being defined as the only proper form of marraige in those passages by conservative Bible-believing Christians. I think sorting that out would help to end the "talking past each other" that has been going on far too long.

Folks can idiolectically( is that a word ) make the Bible say whatever their itching ears want it to say.

God is not a God of confusion. It ain't that complex. Deal with what the words say. He means what HE says. And all of this "new way" of interpreting does nothing but open the door for folks to feel good about doing what they want how they want.

It's the same old same old of fashioning a god who is not God. Simple idolatry.

 

[LittleNipper]

Funny you should mention alcoholism... drinking is considered a sinful behavior. Remember what happened when society tried to outlaw that?

Here's a hint:

From what I understand the incidents of cirrhosis of the liver took a major nose dive with Prohabition and began to inch back up after its appeal. In Mount Holly, NJ back in the 1970's there was a serious problem with drugs; however, the citizens pulled together and the use of drugs has greatly dropped. Making drugs legal isn't the key.

 

[The Lady Kate]

From what I understand the incidents of cirrhosis of the liver took a major nose dive with Prohabition and began to inch back up after its appeal.

Yes, but those aren't water pistols those gentlemen are holding... during prohibition, cases of, shall we say "lead poisoning" skyrocketed, more than making up for the drop in lover disease.

But by all means, continue in your belief that prohibition was/is a good idea... I eagerly await your campaign to restore it.

In Mount Holly, NJ back in the 1970's there was a serious problem with drugs; however, the citizens pulled together and the use of drugs has greatly dropped. Making drugs legal isn't the key.

As much as I enjoy your vague references, I would appreciate some sort of link that might go into detail as to what the citizens actually did besides "pulling together."

 

[Ayersy]

From what I understand the incidents of cirrhosis of the liver took a major nose dive with Prohabition and began to inch back up after its appeal. In Mount Holly, NJ back in the 1970's there was a serious problem with drugs; however, the citizens pulled together and the use of drugs has greatly dropped. Making drugs legal isn't the key.

If they got liver cirrhosis, thats their fault. What do you suggest? Banning everything that is bad for us? Sure, everyone will live alot longer, but with a lot less to live for.

 

[LittleNipper]

Yes, but those aren't water pistols those gentlemen are holding... during prohibition, cases of, shall we say "lead poisoning" skyrocketed, more than making up for the drop in lover disease.

But by all means, continue in your belief that prohibition was/is a good idea... I eagerly await your campaign to restore it.



As much as I enjoy your vague references, I would appreciate some sort of link that might go into detail as to what the citizens actually did besides "pulling together."

I don't wish to sound uncharitable, but more guys die daily in Philadelphia today then died daily during Prohabition. And most murders were then confined to gangsters killing each other. Today, all one has to do is walk down a street after dark...

I live in Mount Holly. So you are getting it from its source. We had at least 3 drug houses on Ridgway Street alone. They are gone and nice families with children now live there.

 

[LittleNipper]

If they got liver cirrhosis, thats their fault. What do you suggest? Banning everything that is bad for us? Sure, everyone will live alot longer, but with a lot less to live for.

No----- I don't believe we should legislate seatbelts either. But those who choose not to wear them should not then be able to sue. And believe me, they still got booze. Everyone just couldn't drink as often and as much.
Churches could still get wine and citizens were allowed to make a small amount for themselves.
The government couldn't collect the tax. THAT is likely the real reason Prohabition was repealed...

 

[IzzyPop]

From what I understand the incidents of cirrhosis of the liver took a major nose dive with Prohabition and began to inch back up after its appeal. In Mount Holly, NJ back in the 1970's there was a serious problem with drugs; however, the citizens pulled together and the use of drugs has greatly dropped. Making drugs legal isn't the key.

Portugal disagrees with you.

 

[Zaac]

None of which is relevent when discussing what should or should not be US law. Unless there is a secular purpose for denying homosexual marriage, arguments are going to be ignored as baseless.

LittleNipper's OP musings about how Teh gheys "serve no value to society," is as close as anyone's come, and that sounds more like an argument for eugenics than outlawing gay marriage.

I didn't say anything about US law. And if morals impact whether other laws are passed, why not on this issue? but that is a discussion for ANOTHER thread.