What Sabbath did Moses keep?

[guevaraj]

I don't force YHWH to say anything. That's not how our relationship works. He speaks. I obey. Do you obey YHWH? If so, when do your honor Yom Kippurim? Do you begin to honor his appointed day at sundown, or at sunrise?

Brother, I'm sure those monthly Sabbaths are also kept in the Eden time zone. Why festivals begin and end on Sabbaths in the Eden time zone needs further study. What I do know is that we are not going to advance in understanding the word of God without first correcting our "human tradition" about the weekly Sabbath. That is a step that our prophetess prepared us for and that we still have to take as a church to continue growing after her death.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

Brother, I'm sure those monthly Sabbaths are also kept in the Eden time zone. Why festivals begin and end on Sabbaths in the Eden time zone needs further study. What I do know is that we are not going to advance in understanding the word of God without first correcting our "human tradition" about the weekly Sabbath. That is a step that our prophetess prepared us for and that we still have to take as a church to continue growing after her death.

YHWH clearly defines the day of Yom Kippurim from evening to evening. Her doesn't mention Eden. He doesn't mention the IDL. He says from evening to evening. We are not going to advance in understanding the word of God without reading it, and taking him at his word.

(CLV) Lv 23:26
Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying:

(CLV) Lv 23:27
Then on the tenth of this seventh month, it is the day of propitiatory shelters. It shall be a holy meeting for you, and you will humble your souls and bring near a fire offering to Yahweh.

(CLV) Lv 23:28
You shall do not work at all on this very day, for it is the day of propitiatory shelters so as to make a propitiatory shelter over you before Yahweh your Elohim.

(CLV) Lv 23:29
For every soul who is not humbled on this very day will be cut off from his kinsmen.

(CLV) Lv 23:30
And every soul who does any work on this very day, I will destroy that soul from among his people.

(CLV) Lv 23:31
You shall do not work at all. It is an eonian statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

(CLV) Lv 23:32
It is a sabbath of cessation for you, and you will humble your souls. On the ninth day of the month in the evening, from evening until evening shall you cease for your sabbath.

 

[guevaraj]

Then on the tenth of this seventh month, it is the day of propitiatory shelters. It shall be a holy meeting for you, and you will humble your souls and bring near a fire offering to Yahweh. (Leviticus 23:27 CLV) ... It is a sabbath of cessation for you, and you will humble your souls. On the ninth day of the month in the evening, from evening until evening shall you cease for your sabbath. (Leviticus 23:32 CLV)

Brother, I think I see something that no one has noticed before. Did you notice that God speaks of the "tenth" day of the month as the day to keep for Yom Kippur, but then begins the Sabbath in Israel earlier on the "evening" of the "ninth" day of the month? This is how remembered is the Sabbath in Israel, 10 hours before the local seventh day that begins the "evening" of the previous day of preparation.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

A possible closer site could be "Maiao iti"

(CLV) Gn 2:10
A stream was flowing forth from Eden to irrigate the garden; from there it parted and became four headstreams.

(CLV) Gn 2:11
The name of the first one is Pishon; it is the one surrounding the whole land of Havilah where the gold is.

This fits the Philippines, not Maiao iti. The canyon for this pre-flood stream, can still be seen today on the ocean floor.

Throughout history, the Philippines have produced more gold than anywhere else in the world. It has been known throughout the ages for its' purity.

(CLV) Gn 2:12
The gold of that land is very good; the pearl is there and the onyx stone.

The onyx in the Philippines is so abundant; that they make road barriers out of it. It is of very high quality.

The Philippines, by far, no contest, yield the largest pearls in the world.

The marine biodiversity is greater nowhere else in the world than the Philippines. This points to the origin of life.

The Garden of Eden is in the Philippines.

 

[HARK!]

Brother, I think I see something that no one has noticed before. Did you notice that God speaks of the "tenth" day of the month as the day to keep for Yom Kippur, but then begins the Sabbath in Israel earlier on the "evening" of the "ninth" day of the month? This is how remembered is the Sabbath in Israel, 10 hours before the local seventh day that begins the "evening" of the previous day of preparation.

The evening of the ninth day begins the tenth day, from evening to evening, as it is written.

I'll just take YHWH at his word.

 

[guevaraj]

The evening of the ninth day begins the tenth day, from evening to evening, as it is written. I'll just take YHWH at his word.

Brother, you are not using the word of God. Your point of view is inconsistent with the manna story, while my point of view is consistent with the entire word of God.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

Brother, you are not using the word of God. Your point of view is inconsistent with the manna story, while my point of view is consistent with the entire word of God.

I quoted scripture.

(CLV) Lv 23:26
Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying:

This is what I call the word of YHWH.

If you reject the passage I posted as the word of Elohim; then we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[guevaraj]

I quoted scripture ... If you reject the passage I posted as the word of Elohim; then we will have to agree to disagree.

Brother, I do not reject any scripture, I use all of it. I read the passage you quoted differently than you. I will summarize our different views of Yom Kippur:

1. it starts at the end of the ninth day to the end of the tenth day. (HARK!)
2. it starts in the middle of the ninth day to the middle of the tenth day. (guevaraj)

If defined are days from the end of one day to the end of another, as you previously assumed, then the second day in Genesis is from the end of the first day to the end of the second day or from morning to morning as written. You assumed that the first day begins with an "evening" when that is not consistent with the way you see it above. Where used is the end of the day and not the beginning. What is clear is that the first day ends in a "morning", which makes the evening that you assumed as the beginning fall in the middle of the first day.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

What is clear is that the first day ends in a "morning", which makes the evening that you assumed as the beginning fall in the middle of the first day.

Evening is around the time of sunset, not noon.

(CLV) Mk 1:32
Now evening coming on, when the sun sets, they brought to Him all those who have an illness and those who are demoniacs.

If you don't trust me nor the Bible; try a dictionary.

1. 
   noun
   • 1The period of time at the end of the day, usually from about 6 p.m. to bedtime.
     
     ‘it was seven o'clock in the evening’
   1. 1.1An evening characterized by a particular event or activity.
      ‘some pubs hold Irish music evenings’
2. 1.2as modifier Prescribed by fashion as suitable for relatively formal social events held in the evening.
   ‘a couple in evening dress’
   
   Evening | Definition of Evening by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Evening

 

[bbbbbbb]

One thing we can say with complete assurance is that Moses certainly did not keep the SDA Sabbath.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

One thing we can say with complete assurance is that Moses certainly did not keep the SDA Sabbath.

The view of guevaraj is not the SDA Sabbath or the Sabbath of the bible. He follows his own teachings in regards to the Sabbath which is not the view of the SDA church or the bible. guevaraj does not follow SDA teachings here or the biblical Sabbath kept by Israel for 4000 years. He is following a view that is not scriptural or supported by the SDA Church or the bible. He is out there by himself on this one. I am not sure why he is wearing an SDA tag.

 

[guevaraj]

The view of guevaraj is not the SDA Sabbath or the Sabbath of the bible. He follows his own teachings in regards to the Sabbath which is not the view of the SDA church or the bible. guevaraj does not follow SDA teachings here or the biblical Sabbath kept by Israel for 4000 years. He is following a view that is not scriptural or supported by the SDA Church or the bible. He is out there by himself on this one. I am not sure why he is wearing an SDA tag.

Brother, our church is following another Jewish tradition the word of God opposes capping the end of the first day on a "morning" and not an "evening". They are wrong in many things that we must correct by studying the written word of God and not assume they are right because the "human tradition" is with us for so long.

You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (Mark 7:8-13 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Brother, our church is following another Jewish tradition the word of God opposes capping the end of the first day on a "morning" and not an "evening". They are wrong in many things that we must correct by studying the written word of God and not assume they are right because the "human tradition" is with us for so long.

You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (Mark 7:8-13 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I am sorry you follow a different teaching that is not biblical. Please do not call yourself an SDA your not an SDA as SDA's do not believe or teach the unbiblical things you believe or promote here in regards to the Sabbath which is the same one that Jesus and the Apostles kept and the Jew have been keeping for over 4000 years. Your version is the making of your own imagination that only you follow.

 

[guevaraj]

I am sorry you follow a different teaching that is not biblical. Please do not call yourself an SDA your not an SDA as SDA's do not believe or teach the unbiblical things you believe or promote here in regards to the Sabbath which is the same one that Jesus and the Apostles kept and the Jew have been keeping for over 4000 years. Your version is the making of your own imagination that only you follow.

Brother, our prophetess confirmed what God told Israel and then takes us back to the first Sabbath of creation week so that you don't choose one peace of the truth about the Sabbath over the other as we did as a church when they are both true: the first Sabbath in Eden is from morning to morning, confirmed by a Passover rule and the manna story, that remembered is in Israel from evening to evening. The explanation confirmed by the International Date Line (IDL) is that remembered is the Sabbath in the Eden time zone. She also wrote that we would understand more in the future and she highlights when "evening" falls as something to learn that we haven't changed, although I found the reason to change it. We still think that the days of creation begin with an evening when I found out that Genesis reveals that the "evening" falls in the middle of the first day and not at the beginning as supposed was due to the Sabbath in Israel, which is not a day of the week as set were the weekdays in the creation week from morning to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Brother, our prophetess confirmed what God told Israel and then takes us back to the first Sabbath of creation week so that you don't choose one peace of the truth about the Sabbath over the other as we did as a church when they are both true: the first Sabbath in Eden is from morning to morning, confirmed by a Passover rule and the manna story, that remembered is in Israel from evening to evening. The explanation confirmed by the International Date Line (IDL) is that remembered is the Sabbath in the Eden time zone. She also wrote that we would understand more in the future and she highlights when "evening" falls as something to learn that we haven't changed, although I found the reason to change it. We still think that the days of creation begin with an evening when I found out that Genesis reveals that the "evening" falls in the middle of the first day and not at the beginning as supposed was due to the Sabbath in Israel, which is not a day of the week as set were the weekdays in the creation week from morning to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Nonsense.

 

[guevaraj]

Nonsense.

Brother, we know that the Sabbath is the end time test of whether you obey the truth in God's word or abandon the truth for human tradition. What we did not know is that the test is not only for others, it is also a test for us because we have not learn all there is about the Sabbath in God's word. We are missing a further step of "when it is" that evening falls on the first day. Revealed was to our prophetess that we would understand "when it is" and our church has not understood a change of "when it is". Next is her inspired passage about what an angel told her we would understand in the future. To focus you on the relevant part I will ask a question. Why did the angel tell us to read carefully and there you will find "when it is" if it remains the same? We had changed "what even is" from 6 pm to sundown after 8 years, but we have not changed to this day "when it is". We still assume that evening takes place at the beginning of the day when the angel said that we would understand more in the future. I, in the future, have understood that evening takes place in the middle of the first day by being "directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath" due to the units of the 2300 year prophecy that started our church. I have understood more as the angel said!

I saw that it is even so: “From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel: “If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, Page 116)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

@guevaraj Keeping the SDA tag while condemning the church is bearing false witness and breaking one of Gods commandments.

Also you keep forgetting a very important word in the scripture you are quoting:

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)

And there was evening AND there was morning, the first day. You are removing “AND” and we are warned not to change any words from God.

Proverbs 30
5 Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

And means:
1.
used to connect words of the same part of speech, clauses, or sentences, that are to be taken jointly.

God said there was evening AND there was morning - the first day. You removing AND changes the meaning and we are prohibited by God to change His words.

Leviticus 32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.”

God is telling us a day starts in the evening. Sabbath is from evening to evening. What you are doing is leading people away from Gods Sabbath. Mathew 5:19

 

[guevaraj]

You are removing “AND” and we are warned not to change any words from God.

Sister, the word "and" does not help you defend the "human tradition" that you follow. God is standing in the light in Eden when He reports that there was an evening and there was a morning, when He abruptly caps the end of the first day in the morning. The reason He had nothing to say between the evening and the morning is because He creates during the light and stops creating during each night of the creation week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sister, the word "and" does not help you defend the "human tradition" that you follow. God is standing in the light in Eden when He reports that there was an evening and there was a morning, when He abruptly caps the end of the first day in the morning. The reason He had nothing to say between the evening and the morning is because He creates during the light and stops creating during each night of the creation week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You are adding A LOT of words to Gods words. Just curious why you would call yourself an SDA if you do not belong to an SDA church, you do not believe in the SDA required beliefs. Were you baptized by the SDA church? Did you take the baptism oath about Sabbath? Just because a parent may of been SDA does not mean you automatically are. It’s something you have to agree to., By saying you agree to the SDA beliefs when you don’t is that being truthful? This is why the SDA has the fundamental 28 beliefs, so we are united as a church. When we have some who claims one but really isn’t God defined this as breaking His 9th commandment. Something I hope you consider in prayer.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The view of guevaraj is not the SDA Sabbath or the Sabbath of the bible. He follows his own teachings in regards to the Sabbath which is not the view of the SDA church or the bible. guevaraj does not follow SDA teachings here or the biblical Sabbath kept by Israel for 4000 years. He is following a view that is not scriptural or supported by the SDA Church or the bible. He is out there by himself on this one. I am not sure why he is wearing an SDA tag.

While I do not disagree with your post here, the point remains is that he does self-identify as SDA. My previous post remains valid regarding Moses not keeping the SDA Sabbath. It was quite impossible for Moses to have observed the Sabbath according to your denomination.