What Sabbath did Moses keep?

[guevaraj]

To think the weekly Sabbath was to be observed differently without a THUS Saith the LORD is to say what has not been plainly stated.

Brother, the truth of the Sabbath is not "milk" to understand easily, it is "solid food" for the diligent student of God's word who has grown beyond the "worldly" infants in Christ.

Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings? (1 Corinthians 3:1-4 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HIM]

Brother, the truth of the Sabbath is not "milk" to understand easily, it is "solid food" for the diligent student of God's word who has grown beyond the "worldly" infants in Christ.

Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings? (1 Corinthians 3:1-4 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

None of which answer the post you responded to.

SO NOW ON TOP OF THE FACT that You are speculating YOU ARE IGNORING FACTS AND DEFLECTING by not answering the facts of the posts to which you are responding.

So Rather than speculate, ignore and deflect we will follow the Lord. Here IN LEV 23:32 as you know in respect to Yom Kippur a Sabbath of Rest is instituted with parameters. At Even it was to start. From even unto even shall we celebrate the Sabbath. That is what we have and that is it. To Speculate anything else is to add what is not there. To think the weekly Sabbath was to be observed differently without a THUS Saith the LORD is to say what has not been plainly stated. GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. HE WOULD NOT HAVE THE TIME PERIOD FOR ONE SABBATH BE DIFFERENT THAN THE TIME FOR ANOTHER WITHOUT PLAINLY STATING THE OTHER TIME PERIOD.

Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

 

[guevaraj]

GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. HE WOULD NOT HAVE THE TIME PERIOD FOR ONE SABBATH BE DIFFERENT THAN THE TIME FOR ANOTHER WITHOUT PLAINLY STATING THE OTHER TIME PERIOD.

Brother, it's about what it means to make a time "holy". What the Sabbath reveals by keeping it in Eden from morning to morning and keeping it in Israel from evening to evening is that when God made "holy" the seventh day of creation He set it in that time zone. The Sabbath is independent of the week and only falls on the seventh day in Eden but not in Israel where it falls between two weekdays.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HIM]

Brother, it's about what it means to make a time "holy". What the Sabbath reveals by keeping it in Eden from morning to morning and keeping it in Israel from evening to evening is that the when God made "holy" the seventh day of creation He set it in that time zone. The Sabbath is independent of the week and only falls on the seventh day in Eden but not in Israel where it falls between two weekdays.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You are stating The time period of the day which is the Seventh in the time zone in which Eden was in is the time period which God made Holy. So regardless what time zone we are in we need to observe the time in the time zone of Eden in respect to the Sabbath. Because that time in that time zone is where God orchestrated time and in that time He made the Seventh day time period Holy.

Yes?

Rather than the Earth's vastness which we divided into time zones coming to that point.

With that being implied you also are saying you know where Eden was.

No one knows FOR SURE where Eden was or how vast it was.

Anyway here is something outside of that to consider....

Adam and Eve where expelled from the Garden not Eden. Cain was a vagabond sent away from where Adam and Eve were in Eden. East of Eden (Pleasure) to a land of vagrancy, Nod. Hmmm?

Gen 4:16 And Cain (smiths, worker of his own imaginations) went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt (sat) in the land (crushing fragmentation) of Nod (vagrancy), on the east of Eden (pleasure)

So Caine, a worker of his own imagination went out from the presence of the Lord and sat in the crushing fragmentation of vagrancy forward of pleasure, from the presence of the Lord.

 

[HIM]

Brother, it's about what it means to make a time "holy". What the Sabbath reveals by keeping it in Eden from morning to morning and keeping it in Israel from evening to evening is that when God made "holy" the seventh day of creation He set it in that time zone. The Sabbath is independent of the week and only falls on the seventh day in Eden but not in Israel where it falls between two weekdays.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

And once again you are speculating, Darkness was first then light, Then our God made a separation or divide between the darkness and the light, time as we see it. The time of light he called Day and the time of darkness He called night. And because there is period of light and a period of darkness there is a notable transition, evening and morning, dusk and dawn that can be seen in a given day

That is what we got. To postulate anything else is to speculate. PLEASE NOTE THERE IS NOT A DEFINITE bases for when a day starts or when it ends. In other words GOD DOES NOT SAY WHEN A DAY STARTS AND WHEN IT ENDS IN THESE TEXTS.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was without shape and empty, and darkness was over the surface of the watery deep, but the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the water.
Gen 1:3 God said, “Let there be light.” And there was light!
Gen 1:4 God saw that the light was good, so God separated the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night, and there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

 

[guevaraj]

PLEASE NOTE THERE IS NOT A DEFINITE bases for when a day starts or when it ends. In other words GOD DOES NOT SAY WHEN A DAY STARTS AND WHEN IT ENDS IN THESE TEXTS.

Brother, God says when the first day ends! The first day ends in a "morning"! From what we know about the Sabbath in Israel, a 24-hour period ends with the same word it began. Therefore, God having revealed the end of the first day, He has also revealed the beginning of the 24 hour period having the same word as the end. The days of creation are from morning to morning, just as the Sabbath in Israel is from evening to evening. A 24-hour period ends as it begins: either two evenings like the Sabbath in Israel or two mornings like the first day in Genesis.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HIM]

Brother, God says when the first day ends! The first day ends in a "morning"! From what we know about the Sabbath in Israel, a 24-hour period ends with the same word it began. Therefore, God having revealed the end of the first day, He has also revealed the beginning of the 24 hour period having the same word as the end. The days of creation are from morning to morning, just as the Sabbath in Israel is from evening to evening. A 24-hour period ends as it begins: either two evenings like the Sabbath in Israel or two mornings like the first day in Genesis.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

No. It does not say that in Genesis. YOU ARE MAKING THINGS UP. Please read the following and address it.

It says Darkness was first then light, Then our God made a separation or divide between the darkness and the light, time as we see it. The time of light he called Day and the time of darkness He called night. And because there is period of light and a period of darkness there is a notable transition, evening and morning, dusk and dawn that can be seen in a given day

That is what we got. To postulate anything else is to speculate. PLEASE NOTE THERE IS NOT A DEFINITE bases for when a day starts or when it ends. In other words GOD DOES NOT SAY WHEN A DAY STARTS AND WHEN IT ENDS IN THESE TEXTS.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was without shape and empty, and darkness was over the surface of the watery deep, but the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the water.
Gen 1:3 God said, “Let there be light.” And there was light!
Gen 1:4 God saw that the light was good, so God separated the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night, and there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

 

[guevaraj]

No. It does not say that in Genesis. YOU ARE MAKING THINGS UP.

Brother, God ends the first day in a "morning". I know tradition can blind the reader. I capitalized the word to help you find it.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

What Part of the NO you do not understand?!!!

Brother, the part where many Christian who have inherited the Jewish "human tradition" of Saturday have a "bias" point of view about the forced reading of what Genesis reveals. The word "morning" capped the end of the first day and the first day does not end in an "evening". The Bible is clear on the subject of the Sabbath with the manna story, the Passover rule, and the International Date Line as an overwhelming confirmation of what Genesis reveals. It is the "human tradition" of the Jews that keeps people away from the true biblical Sabbath. The Bible opposes the Jewish point of view when it reveals that the first day ends capped on a "morning" and not an "evening". The Jews forced God to say something that He did not say in Genesis when God revealed the days of creation from "morning" to "morning" and not from "evening" to "evening" because the Sabbath does not fall on a weekday in Israel.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HIM]

"The Jewish" Christ, who is the Holy Spirit, The Eternal Father, Son of God and Son of man, The God of Abraham and The Living God in His human nature, may be with you....Read Exodus 31:12-18.. And tell me what is that you see?!! What is that you understand?!!! Brother James....

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Exod 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

 

[DamianWarS]

And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

If your theory is correct why is evening ordered before morning? The creation account shows that before light there was darkness not the other way around.

 

[guevaraj]

If your theory is correct why is evening ordered before morning? The creation account shows that before light there was darkness not the other way around.

Brother, happy Sabbath! For me, the Sabbath starts this Friday when it starts in Israel, at 10:17 am my time in the eastern United States. God's word reveals a time before creation week. All that is before the light is before the creation week, an unspecified time before. On the first day the "evening" falls in the middle of the first day separating both halves that God called "day" and "night". All days of the creation-week end in the night-half from "evening" to "morning" because they start with the day-half from "morning "to "evening".

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[BobRyan]

Brother, the part where many Christian who have inherited the Jewish "human tradition" of Saturday

its the Bible, Word of God - doctrine on the Sabbath and the fact that each day starts in the evening and ends with conclusion of the following daylight portion.

 

[DamianWarS]

For me, the Sabbath starts this Friday when it starts in Israel, at 10:17 am my time in the eastern United States.

10:17 EST Friday corolates to 17:17 Israel Friday, which is their sunset. Although unconvential to follow Israel's timezone the logic would be to keep sabbath starting at evening, Israel's sunset but in doing so you betray this other theory of yours that it starts during morning. Rather than open with the morning-to-morning bit it would seem better to say I keep sabbath according to the timezone in Israel. That's a lot less confusing.

 

[guevaraj]

its the Bible, Word of God - doctrine on the Sabbath and the fact that each day starts in the evening and ends with conclusion of the following daylight portion.

Brother, happy Sabbath! That is another Jewish tradition the word of God opposes capping the end of the first day on a "morning" and not an "evening". They are wrong in many things that we must correct by studying the written word of God and not assume they are right because the "human tradition" is with us for so long.

You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (Mark 7:8-13 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

10:17 EST Friday corolates to 17:17 Israel Friday, which is their sunset. Although unconvential to follow Israel's timezone the logic would be to keep sabbath starting at evening, Israel's sunset but in doing so you betray this other theory of yours that it starts during morning. Rather than open with the morning-to-morning bit it would seem better to say I keep sabbath according to the timezone in Israel. That's a lot less confusing.

Brother, set is the Sabbath in the time zone where God taught Adam to count the days with the week to remember the Sabbath. This is how God taught Israel to remember the Eden-Sabbath, 10 hours earlier than the seventh day of the local week. The Sabbath in Israel falls between two days of the week: beginning in the middle of the six-day and ending in the middle of the seventh-day. When understood is the Sabbath set for everyone together, you realize that all you have to do is keep it when it begins in Israel.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[DamianWarS]

Brother, set is the Sabbath in the time zone where God taught Adam to count the days with the week to remember the Sabbath. This is how God taught Israel to remember the Eden-Sabbath, 10 hours earlier than the seventh day of the local week. The Sabbath in Israel falls between two days of the week: beginning in the middle of the six-day and ending in the middle of the seventh-day. When understood is the Sabbath set for everyone together, you realize that all you have to do is keep it when it begins in Israel.

You've made your answer a lot more complicated. I'm not trying to argue how you value the Sabbath but rather try to understand what exactly you mean. Can you explain it again because your logic to me of how you determine when the Sabbath starts and ends is unclear. If your can't communicate it effectively how can you possibly expect others to follow it?

The best I can tell is you keep sabbath based on sunset to sunset Israel timezone but I don't know where this morning to morning fits in. Are you talking about your morning since isreal is like 7 hours ahead of you? I thought the op was about was relative to Moses not you.

 

[guevaraj]

You've made your answer a lot more complicated. I'm not trying to argue how you value the Sabbath but rather try to understand what exactly you mean. Can you explain it again because your logic to me of how you determine when the Sabbath starts and ends is unclear. If your can't communicate it effectively how can you possibly expect others to follow it?

Brother, God told Israel to remember the Sabbath differently than how He defined the days of the week in Genesis. My church chose one piece of the truth about the Sabbath over the other when they are both true: the first Sabbath in Eden is from "morning" to "morning" confirmed by a Passover rule and the manna story that remembered is in Israel from "evening" to "evening". The explanation confirmed by the International Date Line (IDL) is that remembered is the Sabbath in the Eden time zone. I learned it from the first day in Genesis! We still think that the days of creation begin with an "evening" when I found out that Genesis reveals that the "evening" falls in the middle of the first day and not at the beginning as supposed was due to the Sabbath in Israel which is not a day of the week like it was set in creation week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[DamianWarS]

Brother, God told Israel to remember the Sabbath differently than how He defined the days of the week in Genesis. My church chose one piece of the truth about the Sabbath over the other when they are both true: the first Sabbath in Eden is from "morning" to "morning" confirmed by a Passover rule and the manna story that remembered is in Israel from "evening" to "evening". The explanation confirmed by the International Date Line (IDL) is that remembered is the Sabbath in the Eden time zone. I learned it from the first day in Genesis! We still think that the days of creation begin with an "evening" when I found out that Genesis reveals that the "evening" falls in the middle of the first day and not at the beginning as supposed was due to the Sabbath in Israel which is not a day of the week like it was set in creation week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

This doesn't help. I am confused which one you value morning to morning or evening to evening as it seems what you actually do is keep evening to evening Israel time. 10:17 EST is (was) sunset in Isreal aka evening.

 

[guevaraj]

This doesn't help. I am confused which one you value morning to morning or evening to evening as it seems what you actually do is keep evening to evening Israel time. 10:17 EST is (was) sunset in Isreal aka evening.

Brother, the two places where the word of God reveals the Sabbath kept show what God did when He made the seventh day of Eden "holy", setting the Sabbath in the Eden time zone for the world to keep together. That is why Israel remembers the Sabbath 10 hours before its local seventh day of the week. The Sabbath is not a day of the week in other places than Eden. The Sabbath is separate from the week in Israel. It moves from the seventh-day in Eden to the six-day in Israel according to your distance from Eden. The Sabbath in Israel gives us the site of Eden and falls on the International Date Line.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge