What "rights" do homosexuals "deserve" to have -- WITH POLL!!

[BigBadWlf]

Blame God for saying same sex sex is sin then?

After all this time it should be clear that I prefer accurate translation meaning that homosexuality is not mentioned much less condemned

"personal prejudice" rings to me as if I hate someone or I personally have something against homosexuality when that isn't true.

If you were using the bible as you are for dealing with blacks the same way you are using the bible for dealing with homosexuals…what would it be called?

 

[BigBadWlf]

Everyone in this thread seems to be operating under the assumption that marriage is a civil rights issue. When did the rite of marriage become a civil right that everyone, regardless of their religious background, is entitled to?

When equal rights and legal protections are denied to a minority simply because they ARE a minority. It becomes a rights issue

You might want to read up on the history of interracial marriage

Interracial couples were denied equal rights and legal protections just because they were in a minority. Just as same sex couples today are denied equal rights and legal protections. The arguments for discrimination against interracial couples are indistinguishable from arguments for discrimination against same sex couples.

Then there is the fact the Supreme court ha ruled marriage is a right…

 

[Apollo Celestio]

After all this time it should be clear that I prefer accurate translation meaning that homosexuality is not mentioned much less condemned


If you were using the bible as you are for dealing with blacks the same way you are using the bible for dealing with homosexuals…what would it be called?

I'm not "using" it to deal with anyone, I'm merely reporting what it's saying, and it gives universal condemnation of homosexual sex. I don't see what blacks and homosexual sex have in common. Please show me how Romans 1:26 and Leviticus 18:22 deal with blacks please.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

God never said that same-sex sex is a sin. That's just some people's interpretation of the Bible.

That's your belief, and I have mine. I think he did.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I'm not "using" it to deal with anyone, I'm merely reporting what it's saying, and it gives universal condemnation of homosexual sex. I don't see what blacks and homosexual sex have in common. Please show me how Romans 1:26 and Leviticus 18:22 deal with blacks please.

And when it is pointed out that all racists are doing is merely reporting what the bible is saying you throw a small tantrum.

Using the bible to justify prejudice against homosexuals is no different than using the bible to justify racism

 

[Zecryphon]

And when it is pointed out that all racists are doing is merely reporting what the bible is saying you throw a small tantrum.

Using the bible to justify prejudice against homosexuals is no different than using the bible to justify racism

What verses in the Bible are used to justify racism?

 

[naotmaa]

What verses in the Bible are used to justify racism?

The story of Ham I think it is. It used to be believed that black people were descendants of Ham and were the "cursed" race.

 

[Zecryphon]

The story of Ham I think it is. It used to be believed that black people were descendants of Ham and were the "cursed" race.

Hmm, I don't remember hearing that interpretation in any church I've ever attended. I know the Mormons are fond of portraying African Americans as fallen angels. Perhaps this line of thinking was taken from them. Oh I hope not though.

 

[naotmaa]

Hmm, I don't remember hearing that interpretation in any church I've ever attended. I know the Mormons are fond of portraying African Americans as fallen angels. Perhaps this line of thinking was taken from them. Oh I hope not though.

Well this interpretation was popular back when the morality of slavery was being questioned. Those who supported slavery and later on, other types of discrimination, would resort to this story.

 

[Ohioprof]

That's your belief, and I have mine. I think he did.

And we agree to disagree, which is fine.

 

[Ohioprof]

Hmm, I don't remember hearing that interpretation in any church I've ever attended. I know the Mormons are fond of portraying African Americans as fallen angels. Perhaps this line of thinking was taken from them. Oh I hope not though.

It's true. Christians who supported slavery used the story of Ham, arguing that Africans and their descendants were the descendants of Ham who were cursed by Ham's sin to eternal servitude. Later, after slavery was abolished, Christians who supported segregation made the same arguments, saying that God separated the sons of Noah and their descendants. Christians also used the story of Ham to argue against inter-racial marriage.

This argument is rarely used today except by white supremacist groups, but it was used as recently as the 1960s in churches in the American South.

 

[Ohioprof]

Well this interpretation was popular back when the morality of slavery was being questioned. Those who supported slavery and later on, other types of discrimination, would resort to this story.

Yes, exactly. My area of research is African American history. You are right about this.

 

[Ohioprof]

And when it is pointed out that all racists are doing is merely reporting what the bible is saying you throw a small tantrum.

Using the bible to justify prejudice against homosexuals is no different than using the bible to justify racism

I agree with you. Christians have used the Bible to justify a variety of discriminatory practices. Other Christians have used the Bible to challenge those discriminatory practices.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

I believe marriage to be merely a sex permit

And we're destroying the sanctity of marriage?

It seems to me that sexually repressed Christians following Paul's advice to get married only if you can't control your need for sex are the most disrespectful when it comes to marriage.

 

[tulc]

Hmm, I don't remember hearing that interpretation in any church I've ever attended. I know the Mormons are fond of portraying African Americans as fallen angels. Perhaps this line of thinking was taken from them. Oh I hope not though.

Actually people are still spouting this nonsense. been here?
http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/comp/cw03noahsboys.htm
check out what he says about Ham, I heard something a lot like this in the mid sixties in a Church in Indiana.
tulc(needing some coffee)

 

[BigBadWlf]

What verses in the Bible are used to justify racism?

Gen 9:20-27 is a popular one

Mark 7:24-29 and Matthew 15:21-28 is another

Joshua 8:20-21 was a popular one for reinforcing the idea that it was good and proper to use blacks for slave labor
there are many others

 

[lucyclaire]

"You want us to have the right to marry because you hope our marriages will fail? That's not a very loving attitude."

That's not what I said. I said if you get the right to marry, I will be interested to see what your divorce rate is, if you have one. Since the homosexuals contend that a marriage is nothing more than a loving relationship between two people, you shouldn't have a divorce rate, right? Because love can overcome any obstacle right? So there should be nothing in your marriages that your love and commitment for each other can't overcome. If you do have a divorce rate though, then perhaps you'll be forced to consider the idea that marriage is something more than a loving relationship between two people.



I'm not judging other people by their divorce rates. I can only judge those within the body of Christ. I never mentioned the divorce rate of conservative Christians. No need to, it matches the divorce rate of secular society. What's the difference between a mainstream Christian and a Conservative Christian? The high divorce rate among all Christians, I attribute to bad teaching and lack of teaching in the churches in the area of the sanctity of marriage.

Why are you bringing the divorce rate of conservative Christians in here? Is this some defense for the future divorce rate of homosexuals? Like "oh well, conservative Christians get divorced. Why shouldn't we? Why are you denying us our right to get divorced?" Right now it's a cry for the right to get married. Given enough time it will then be a cry for the right to get divorced. The Bible only gives one reason for a man to divorce his wife, and that is for adultery. But since your marriage will be built upon a loving relationship between two committed people, adultery should never be an issue, right?

Is that why so many heterosexual, Christian marriages fail because they are not loving commitments. Is that why so many end in adultery?
What basis is their for a Christian marriage is it isn't loving commitment just list many gay marriages?

 

[CaDan]

How's everybody in-thread doing on that selling all you have and giving it to the poor thing? Seems to me there's pretty good support for that being the mark of a Christian.

 

[lucyclaire]

How's everybody in-thread doing on that selling all you have and giving it to the poor thing? Seems to me there's pretty good support for that being the mark of a Christian.

Nice one. Some people should re-read Matthew 5 too.
Personally I haven't sold all I have, but I don't have much and I am not materialistic.

 

[CaDan]

"Who is my neighbor?"

Your answer to this question will determine your answer to the poll question.