What proof would you need? (2)

[mzungu]

You appear to only be able to make smart remarks, try to refute me by backing what I say, and absolutely nothing in the way of being able to defend your science eg Placental mammals and the power of faith. That my friend, says it all about you!

I agree 100% Astrid…

Such arrogance! Also not to mention that ignorance knows no bounds!

 

[mzungu]

Thanks.

Let's see if any bright ones can explain the 'evolving' of the placenta into being and why the selection of a new method of birthing babies that was transitional, was selected for....IOW Uselessness was selected.

Perhaps one would like to suggest all the research on placebo effects is idiocy and that faith does not support healing!

Let's see how many maybe's, perhapses and likely's these evos put up as evidence. Of course that's if any of them have anything to say at all about either topic. So far they are not doing very well.

Pray tell me how can the placebo effect or prayer help one who is critically wounded from multiple gunshot wounds or from a severe car accident and has only minutes to live? Such cases have successfully been treated by guess who..........waaaaiiiiitttttt fooooorrrrr iiiiitttttt................................

TATAAAAAAAAAA:

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[mzungu]

Scientific healing:

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creationist healing:
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Benny Hinn - Let the Bodies Hit the Floor: Smackdown Edition - YouTube

 

[Keachian]

Scientific healing:

creationist healing:
[benny hinn video]

Just of note not all creationists accept the idea that the gifts of the spirit are in continuance, just another example of them reading the Bible to their own tune.

 

[Huram Abi]

I have a very serious question for Huram….

Can you ever talk anything but bumper sticker?

If so lets reason on a given subject.

I've given you the opportunity to substantiate your claims. You haven't even bothered.

And when I ask you to provide evidence for things like plants existing before the sun, you simply skip those posts, so don't act like I have nothing to offer here.

Certainly, if you've ever read any misinformation by Cupid Dave and have seen my posts that clear out his lies and put the facts in context, you should KNOW I don't talk in bumper sticker.

But, if I haven't made that clear to you, then let's reason on a given subject. How about that plants before sun issue you never evidenced?

 

[MrMoe]

Scientific healing:

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creationist healing:
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Benny Hinn - Let the Bodies Hit the Floor: Smackdown Edition - YouTube

wait a minute
1. shouldn't it be evolutionist healing vs creationist healing?
2. I have never heard of creationist healing before this is the first time I have heard it being used. what does creation have to do with healing? your making a connection that simply isn't there.
3.Benny Hinn is a well know con artist. he is as much a christian as Richard Dawkins is a theist.

 

[mzungu]

wait a minute
1. shouldn't it be evolutionist healing vs creationist healing?
2. I have never heard of creationist healing before this is the first time I have heard it being used. what does creation have to do with healing? your making a connection that simply isn't there.
3.Benny Hinn is a well know con artist. he is as much a christian as Richard Dawkins is a theist.

On the contrary; It has everything to do with it. Creationists deny evolution, and since biology and hence medicine makes no sense without evolution then suffice it to say that creationists deny medicine.

Creationists cannot accept the services of medicine while insisting on dismissing evolution. Just the insistence on a literal interpretation of the bible is tantamount to dismissing Science altogether, so NO I have not failed but rather

 

[SkyWriting]

On the contrary; It has everything to do with it. Creationists deny evolution..

But Creationists don't deny evolution.
They only deny that it applies to the Origins of man.
All those areas of science work just fine without Darwin's writings.
He didn't add anything new. Just restated old ideas in a different way.
The same as most writers.

 

[SkyWriting]

And when I ask you to provide evidence for things like plants existing before the sun, you simply skip those posts, ...

If plants existed before the sun, it would be by God's own hand.
The only evidence of this would be in scripture that God breathed
into existence. Which is what we find.

 

[SkyWriting]

Your reply, yet again as always, demonstrates you have absolutely nothing of substance to say.Keep up the smart remarks with no substantial explanation or refute to anything I say and you will further demonstrate you cannot refute me.

What was the topic again?

 

[mzungu]

But Creationists don't deny evolution.
They only deny that it applies to the Origins of man.
All those areas of science work just fine without Darwin's writings.
He didn't add anything new. Just restated old ideas in a different way.
The same as most writers.

I find it very difficult to convey my arguments to one who has absolutely no idea as to what science is.

Creationists are ANTI EVOLUTION and that is a fact.
Creationism dismisses Science in total.
creationists enjoy the very fruits of science they dismiss.

In my book that is called Hypocrisy and Jesus was so right when he spake "Hypocrites and Pharisees"!

Creationists who use any fruits of science be it medicine, machinery, communications etc are simply being HYPOCRITICAL!

Now if creationists were like the majority of Christians who embrace Christianity as a spiritual guide and have no problems with science and interpret genesis in a spiritual way and not literally, then the word "hypocrites" would not apply. As is, creationists do nothing more than bear false witness and or are hypocrites!

 

[MrMoe]

On the contrary; It has everything to do with it. Creationists deny evolution, and since biology and hence medicine makes no sense without evolution then suffice it to say that creationists deny medicine.

Creationists cannot accept the services of medicine while insisting on dismissing evolution. Just the insistence on a literal interpretation of the bible is tantamount to dismissing Science altogether, so NO I have not failed but rather

wrong again friend. biology and medicine owe nothing to the theory of evolution. all the discoveries made by medicine could have easily been made without this theory. biology and medicine didn't need it. to say that only by evolution could these discoveries have been made is disingenuous. it is evolutionists who try to make this connection in order to say that evolution is apart of science.

and yes creationists can accept medicine while dismissing evolution.
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Mark 2:17

 

[Huram Abi]

If plants existed before the sun, it would be by God's own hand.
The only evidence of this would be in scripture that God breathed
into existence. Which is what we find.

Right. That the bible claims this is established.

I'm asking for scientific evidence to substantiate the claim.

 

[SkyWriting]

Right. That the bible claims this is established.

I'm asking for scientific evidence to substantiate the claim.

That would be a repeatable, natural process.
Boy, this is not sinking in.

It MUST be a natural process in order for it to be substantiated.
SO...if God was involved, it cannot be substantiated....because its not a natural event.

See #4 below.

 

[SkyWriting]

I find it very difficult to convey my arguments to one who has absolutely no idea as to what science is.

I've worked in Research & Development Physical Properties Testing for 30 years. The problem is on your end.
Creationists only deny that the evolution that we see today has any bearing on Origins.
What we see today is factual. What Scientists imagine they see into the past is Science Fiction.

I have a hard time conveying my arguments to people who have no idea what Science-Fiction is.
I have training in writing Science Fiction (8th grade). So I know it when I see it. Many don't.

 

[mzungu]

wrong again friend. biology and medicine owe nothing to the theory of evolution. all the discoveries made by medicine could have easily been made without this theory. biology and medicine didn't need it. to say that only by evolution could these discoveries have been made is disingenuous. it is evolutionists who try to make this connection in order to say that evolution is apart of science.

and yes creationists can accept medicine while dismissing evolution.
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Mark 2:17

Then you know nothing about biology and medicine! Citing the Bible in no way goes to prove your point. Science works and creationism does not! So once more you are wrong!

 

[Huram Abi]

That would be a repeatable, natural process.
Boy, this is not sinking in.

It MUST be a natural process in order for it to be substantiated.
SO...if God was involved, it cannot be substantiated....because its not a natural event.

See #4 below.

Oh, I fully get it.

It cannot be substantiated.


But I'm waiting for Zaius to weigh in on this.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationists cannot accept the services of medicine while insisting on dismissing evolution.

-- Here we go again.

And atheists can't get married in churches, right?

Are you so afraid of thinking you would have to give up medical treatment, that you won't become a Christian?

Is that what is holding you back?

1. Afraid you'll have to cancel your doctor's appointment?
2. Afraid you'll have to become a creationist?
3. Afraid you'll have to march off to liberate Jerusalem of infidels?
4. Afraid you'll have to start hunting witches?
5. Afraid you'll have to put someone on trial by ordeal?
6. Afraid you'll have to justify your beliefs with Boolean standards?
7. Afraid you'll actually understand Genesis 1?

Is this what is really holding you guys back?

 

[RickG]

I find it very difficult to convey my arguments to one who has absolutely no idea as to what science is.

Creationists are ANTI EVOLUTION and that is a fact.
Creationism dismisses Science in total.
creationists enjoy the very fruits of science they dismiss.

In my book that is called Hypocrisy and Jesus was so right when he spake "Hypocrites and Pharisees"!

Creationists who use any fruits of science be it medicine, machinery, communications etc are simply being HYPOCRITICAL!

Now if creationists were like the majority of Christians who embrace Christianity as a spiritual guide and have no problems with science and interpret genesis in a spiritual way and not literally, then the word "hypocrites" would not apply. As is, creationists do nothing more than bear false witness and or are hypocrites!

Amen!

 

[USincognito]

wrong again friend. biology and medicine owe nothing to the theory of evolution. all the discoveries made by medicine could have easily been made without this theory. biology and medicine didn't need it. to say that only by evolution could these discoveries have been made is disingenuous. it is evolutionists who try to make this connection in order to say that evolution is apart of science.

and yes creationists can accept medicine while dismissing evolution.
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Mark 2:17

You're new around here so I'll just give you a heads up... I hope lucaspa doesn't see this post.