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Agreed.
Again agreed, but no one is an exception to the carrier rule. All have sin, all have sinned, sin is of the devil. In that understanding I have no use, requirement or rule to count sins against mankind and that Truth of Christ opens the door to allow me to LOVE all of my fellow man and to understand "who/what" I should not LOVE.
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I could write extensively about this subject. The system of the anti-Christ is the "real" control system pertaining to sin, it's works, it's actions. In the N.T. book of Rev. it's called Mystery Babylon which does make TRADE with the souls of mankind. The harlot of that system is upon the PEOPLE...and clearly stated as being there, ON PEOPLE.
We can look at our physical world and it's systems, and yes, we will see the "produce" in part of that system, but we really don't see the reality of Mystery Babylon and it's occupants BECAUSE it is an ANTI-SPIRITUAL working and God has in part hidden that world and that worlds workings...and that world is ONLY revealed in and by His Words...and this is what makes the REVEALINGS of Christ both VERY VERY precious, special and UNIQUE.
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BINGO! There is "their father" of THAT world, THE DEVIL/SATAN/THE GREAT DRAGON and he has "children," his minions, DEVILs, anti-spiritual JezaBEL, etc. ect.
ANY person who does NOT SEE THIS remains A CAPTIVE, BLINDED by that system. Those who DO see this SEPARATE both themselves and their fellow man FROM being the "same as" THAT SYSTEM and it's OCCUPANTS. You canNOT make a good tree into a bad tree. You canNOT make the bad tree yield FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. That system IS what is IS and it will not change until God destroys it. His Light of REVEALING does however certainly SHINE upon that world AND when His Light SHINES THERE, that world openly rebels before our eyes. The real time operation of this world can be seen RIGHT HERE today on this and any other website where GOD'S WORDS are handled BECAUSE 'those entities' are aroused an incensed to anger by HIS WORDS. They "automatically" RESIST! That "resistance" transpires IN mankind.
Ben, I want to be very clear here. WhenEVER we do not DIVIDE mankind (a person) from the PERSONAGE of the anti-Christ spirit(s,) that is a functioning of the spirit of ERROR operating IN that person FROM and CAUSED BY the PERSONAGE of the anti-Christ that is WITH THEM, but is NOT them...
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Ben, when we see the vast majority of our supposed BROTHERS and SISTERS supposedly IN CHRIST, who then BLAME, ACCUSE AND CONDEMN our fellow mankind to be burned alive forever in fire (or pick your favorite form of the eternal damnation of mankind) IS THAT NOT NOT NOT A WORKING OF THE ANTI-CHRIST AND IT'S SYSTEM???
Of course it is, beyond any doubt! The GREAT FALLING AWAY has already transpired and CONTINUES to transpire into our entire realm.
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Again Ben, to find understandings here we MUST DE-LINK our fellow man FROM those entities. IF you do not SEPARATE in that way, you will FALL VICTIM. Yet we also must understand and acknowledge that THOSE ENTITIES are in fact with and within us ALL..
A tough gig. I know. And I know this on a DAILY basis, even in myself.
Another note I will put here for you. God's Word was ALWAYS intended both to AROUSE and to EMPOWER that world and it's occupants until SIN becomes UTTERLY SINFUL in preparation for FINAL JUDGMENT DAY...WHICH DAY WILL AND IS ASSUREDLY COMING...upon this earth.
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Ben, I don't know if you have constructed this set of text here, but it is an exceptionally good view and construct from scriptures, EXCEPT when it starts to BLUR THE LINES between the CAPTIVES and the CAPTORS...
I prefer my Word to make a VERY CLEAN CUT of division between MANKIND and THOSE ENTITIES that are with and within us all. When that CUT does not transpire, then I know that writing remains IN PART and IN DARKNESS...because it will FALSELY blame people, my fellow man, and it will begin to MASK the others...and I see this in that last stretch...where "men" or "people" are not divided from that working.
It is our obligation as believers to SEPARATE and DIVIDE as Jesus did if we want and are LED by His Words to FOLLOW HIM. He will take us to DIVISION and He will FIGHT against HIS ENEMIES and will be FOR mankind...His offspring...every single time....for and in behalf of EVERY SINGLE CAPTIVE, you and I inclusive and even foremost. He fights "especially for" BELIEVERS.
Any "systematic religion of Christianity" that does NOT acknowledge and separate the working of the anti-Christ spirit is and remains BLINDED AND CAPTURED BY THAT SAME SYSTEM. Anyone who does not acknowledge and DIVIDE that system and it's occupants from my fellow man IS MY ENEMY and I will NOT camp in my enemies camp.
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Ben, we were NEVER promised a removal of the presence of indwelling sin. Do not be fooled by anyone promising a REMOVAL of that which has not been promised. In fact, you are assured by His Word to be placed in the MIDST of this battle, and we will not be removed FROM it...
You have put up a generally good treatise here in any case, save for a COUPLE OF SPOTS...and therein we continue to RUB...to get our shining.
enjoy!
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You know if I will humble my self it is not because you demand it. This is a Forum, a debate. If you are offended, then maybe it touched home. The day I become perfect, and without excuse; you will be the first to know. I said what I said for a reason.Other people's responses do not excuse your own. You are responsible to Christ. Your attitude has been less than becoming . . . and you have yet to humble yourself and display the leading of the Spirit. Read Proverbs about the difference between how a wise man and a fool respond to rebuke and correction.
You bashed your brothers . . . and Jesus commands your humility. Your lack of ability to recieve correction actually speaks deeply of your relationship with Christ.You know if I will humble my self it is not because you demand it. This is a Forum, a debate. If you are offended, then maybe it touched home. The day I become perfect, and without excuse; you will be the first to know. I said what I said for a reason.
You cannot get past a little negative; you you speak of maturity? God wants overcomers..You bashed your brothers . . . and Jesus commands your humility. Your lack of ability to recieve correction actually speaks deeply of your relationship with Christ.
What touched me is, once again, the lack of spiritual maturity by yet another person who calls themself a "christian" . . .
You are right, none of us will be perfected . . . but repentance is a lifestyle and Jesus COMMANDS you to be radical with sin and NOT make excuses. Suit yourself . . .
A little negative . . . YOU ARE CALLING BROTHERS IN CHRIST PHARISEES . . . of whom CHRIST REBUKED THE STRONGEST AS REPROBATES!You cannot get past a little negative; you you speak of maturity? God wants overcomers..
In His great victory over the power of Satan He was a sign that pointed unerringly to another company of overcoming sons. In all the churches of Revelation there were two classes of people — those who were overcomers and those who were not. It is to the overcomers that the glorious promises are given, for they follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth, have partaken of His mind and of His will, and thus are equipped to reign in His kingdom.
Thus to them it is said: "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev. 2:7. "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." Rev. 2:11. "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it." Rev. 2:17. "He that overcometh and keepeth My works to the end, to him will I give/wnw over the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessel of the potter shall they be broken to shivers even as I received of My Father, and I will give him the morning star." Rev. 2:26-28. "He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name." Rev. 3:12, 13. "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne even as I overcame and am set down with My Father in His throne." Rev. 3:21. "He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
Truly we do NOT wrestle with flesh and blood . . . yet the evil of the human heart has much to do with sin also.Satan blames and accuses our fellow man, and believers in Christ in particular...
An excellent demonstration at the tail end of this thread for which I blame none of mankind no matter what they may think they hear.
Someday we may be moved to see the real culprits behind all of these matters and find out IT WASN'T US but was "with us."
enjoy!
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If it wasn't us then how can we be held responsible for our actions, thoughts & words? God is just and would not hold us responsible if we weren't would he?Satan blames and accuses our fellow man, and believers in Christ in particular...
An excellent demonstration at the tail end of this thread for which I blame none of mankind no matter what they may think they hear.
Someday we may be moved to see the real culprits behind all of these matters and find out IT WASN'T US but was "with us."
enjoy!
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If it wasn't us then how can we be held responsible for our actions, thoughts & words? God is just and would not hold us responsible if we weren't would he?
Is that not what Jesus did on the cross; does He need to die a second time for our sins. His blood is greater then all the sin of Adam..If it wasn't us then how can we be held responsible for our actions, thoughts & words? God is just and would not hold us responsible if we weren't would he?
Exactly, we were not promised that we would be sinless as soon as we accepted Christ. We still have our imperfect, carnal mind and corruptable bodies. This does not abrogate us of the responsibility to do our best to put off the 'old self' and emulate Christ.When was the last time you eradicated sin via responsibility? We were never promised sinless flesh or mind and your presentations merely make God's children into anti-christ spirits...which action in and of itself speaks for what compels you.
Yes, there is a WAR...His Love is our Victor over the powers of darkness who are NOT US...
No, no, Christ died once for all mankind. The opint I am making as above is that we are still responsible for our actions. If we weren't, God would not judge us.Is that not what Jesus did on the cross; does He need to die a second time for our sins. His blood is greater then all the sin of Adam..
Exactly, we were not promised that we would be sinless as soon as we accepted Christ. We still have our imperfect, carnal mind and corruptable bodies. This does not abrogate us of the responsibility to do our best to put off the 'old self' and emulate Christ.
THAT is what my point is. We cannot point the finger at anyone else for OUR shortcomings.
Which is oc course why you still cannot present any scripture to back your arguments up.
You completely miss the mark and read/read into things only what YOU want to. It really is disappointing.
Man was created with free will, simple. Adam and Eve chose to disobey the one rule that God had created, thereby creating sin for without law there is not sin. So how can being responsible for your actions possibly be construed as blaming others for your problems?
Who is counting sins? I've never suggested that we're keeping tally and attemp to create some sort of pecking order. Another fabrication of yours.
Christianity acknowledges that WE are ALL sinners and because of this sin are seperated from God. Only through Jesus Christ are we sanctified and made holy and acceptable unto God. No blame-storming, just accepting that WE are the sinners and salvation is a PERSONAL journey and responsibility.
Which is oc course why you still cannot present any scripture to back your arguments up.
You completely miss the mark and read/read into things only what YOU want to. It really is disappointing.
Man was created with free will, simple.
Adam and Eve chose to disobey the one rule that God had created,
thereby creating sin for without law there is not sin.
So how can being responsible for your actions possibly be construed as blaming others for your problems?
Who is counting sins?
I've never suggested that we're keeping tally and attemp to create some sort of pecking order. Another fabrication of yours.
Christianity acknowledges that WE are ALL sinners and because of this sin are seperated from God.
Only through Jesus Christ are we sanctified and made holy and acceptable unto God. No blame-storming,
just accepting that WE are the sinners and salvation is a PERSONAL journey and responsibility.
All the personal responsibility and good decision making in the world will NEVER eradicate the presence of indwelling sin any more than holding a cork underwater will keep it there if your hand is removed. squint
But if we abide by the Lord's commandments and follow much of the wisdom in God's Word we can dramatically limit the amount of sin in our lives.
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Our rightousness is as filthy rags; you are speaking of self rightousness. It is only thought the blood of Jesus that we are rightous.But if we abide by the Lord's commandments and follow much of the wisdom in God's Word we can dramatically limit the amount of sin in our lives.
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Our rightousness is as filthy rags; you are speaking of self rightousness. It is only thought the blood of Jesus that we are rightous.
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