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What must we do for the forgiveness of sins?

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Many of the saints seem to be confused as to what constitutes a "work". So I will ask this rhetorical question. What must we do to receive forgiveness, and if there is something we must do, is it work?
Hello Jeff.

The weight of scripture simply tells us. to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

That is the most important doctrine in the scripture and is called the Gospel.

It is never what we can do to earn salvation, it is granted to us by God Himself.

Believing in Jesus is not a work of the law.
 
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Come now.
Where?
Come here.
Where?
Come here now.
Where?

I'm sure this is not the place - you gotta take their advice.
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Neither this one, not a drug addict or something
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Or this one, unless you want to be licked
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Isaiah 1:18 New International Version (NIV)

Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.

Where?
Come here.
Where?
Come here now.
Where?
Where you won't go
 
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Many of the saints seem to be confused as to what constitutes a "work". So I will ask this rhetorical question. What must we do to receive forgiveness, and if there is something we must do, is it work?

One must believe Jesus..
One must trust 100% in the Atonement Jesus secured for the forgivness of their sins..
 
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I was commenting on the OP and why the NT says some works are deprecated,


And my post references scripture, showing our Lord demands certain works of us showing reformation theology is false,

As for idolatary, I don't, and I don't know anyone who does, so difficult to know why you raise that.

So perhaps you would like to challenge what I said instead?
I challange any kettlw calling any pot black :)
 
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Does HIS SACRIFICE cover those who do not believe?

Did Jesus die for you before you believed? Or did He only die for you after you believed?

Our Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world. He died for everyone.

The only other option is Limited Atonement.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Many of the saints seem to be confused as to what constitutes a "work". So I will ask this rhetorical question. What must we do to receive forgiveness, and if there is something we must do, is it work?

Is begging for money work? If you give to a beggar, did they "work" for it? Did you hire that begger to stand there and ask you for your own money? No. Neither is Forgiveness a work. It is part of the Gift, the Grace in Jesus Christ. Jesus worked for it and He gives it to anyone who confesses their sin(s) to Him personally. You don't need a priest, prophet, or king. You don't need a pastor, minister, or preacher, a scholar, a guru or an imam. You only need to believe and obey 1 John 1:9
"If we confess our sins, He is Faithful and Just to forgive our sins, and the cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

So we see you need Forgiveness AND cleansing... and this is what God has available and promises to "work" in you when you confess to Him.

The work for Forgiveness was done by Jesus Christ, and God offers Jesus Christ freely to anyone who wants Him.
 
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The question was - what must we do for the forgiveness of sins.

Naturally - you have to go out of your house or work and do something. Now you are out, you find yourself on the street - you jump in your car or bus and go somewhere.

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My thinking is you gotta go to church - which church?

Is it here?
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Can't be there, how about here?
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Its cool man, but seriously?
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There is so many churches and finding it would be a task.

How about this one?

 
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Many of the saints seem to be confused as to what constitutes a "work". So I will ask this rhetorical question. What must we do to receive forgiveness, and if there is something we must do, is it work?

Jeff, "what must we do to receive forgiveness"? Hmmm, We can go straight to Jesus Christ to ask for forgiveness, but how does one know if Jesus Christ has forgiven US of our sins or Retained them?

Jeff, when did you last ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness? And did you hear HIM say your sins are forgiven or retained? You don't know, YOU HOPE Christ has forgiven you, Remember not all who say Lord Lord will be saved, why perhaps their sins were retained, they did not do the fathers will.

Jesus Christ, left His Church founded on Rock that many can come and literally hear with their ears wether their sins were forgiven or retained. Have you not read:
John 20:21 below:

John 20: 21He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Jeff, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send You"... Jeff, TO DO WHAT??? Jesus Christ Breathed on His Apostles the Holy Spirit... Jefff, TO DO WHAT, AGAIN? To do what the Father sent Jesus Christ to do, AND that is Forgive or Retain Sins, the Catholic Church has this power through the Successors of the Apostles.

Protestants believe they can go straight to Jesus Christ for forgiveness, We Catholics do this as well, however, we know a Truth found in
John 20 21-23 that the protestants don't AND THAT IS Jesus Christ left His Church manage the Sheep untoo Salvation. Amen
 
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Jeff, "what must we do to receive forgiveness"? Hmmm, We can go straight to Jesus Christ to ask for forgiveness, but how does one know if Jesus Christ has forgiven US of our sins or Retained them?

Jeff, when did you last ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness? And did you hear HIM say your sins are forgiven or retained? You don't know, YOU HOPE Christ has forgiven you, Remember not all who say Lord Lord will be saved, why perhaps their sins were retained, they did not do the fathers will.

Jesus Christ, left His Church founded on Rock that many can come and literally hear with their ears wether their sins were forgiven or retained. Have you not read:
John 20:21 below:

John 20: 21He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Jeff, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send You"... Jeff, TO DO WHAT??? Jesus Christ Breathed on His Apostles the Holy Spirit... Jefff, TO DO WHAT, AGAIN? To do what the Father sent Jesus Christ to do, AND that is Forgive or Retain Sins, the Catholic Church has this power through the Successors of the Apostles.

Protestants believe they can go straight to Jesus Christ for forgiveness, We Catholics do this as well, however, we know a Truth found in
John 20 21-23 that the protestants don't AND THAT IS Jesus Christ left His Church manage the Sheep untoo Salvation. Amen

I have my baby pictures here - born as a Catholic
My parents were getting ready for the infant baptism
I was an infant, not knowing what the heck I am getting into.

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And like other people who were Catholic, we realized our sins were still there. We were still worshiping statues, saying prayers and novenas over and over again to the point we can say Hail Mary backwards, and people have tattoos over their bodies as portable images

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all he need was to stand there and prisoners would kneel down to say the rosary.

So people like me have to go to the source of the real faith - the bible and we got to go to the church that would explain the bible to us.

 
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Did Jesus die for you before you believed? Or did He only die for you after you believed?

Our Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world. He died for everyone.

The only other option is Limited Atonement.

-CryptoLutheran
Will those who don't believe be forgiven of their sins?

Do men have to make a confession of faith

Romans 10 tells us that though we are not to judge who will ascend or who will descend, we do preach faith in CHRIST to all men which means men must hear and believe and confess JESUS with their mouth and in their heart

Some don't believe
And though HE died for the sins of men, some will die in their sins because they do not believe who HE says HE is
 
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Many of the saints seem to be confused as to what constitutes a "work". So I will ask this rhetorical question. What must we do to receive forgiveness, and if there is something we must do, is it work?
My favorite reply is Ephesians 2:8-9, For by Grace are ye saved, through faith, and THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the gift of God (emphasis mine). So is "faith" a work we must perform in order to be saved and receive forgiveness of sins? No, faith is a pre-existing condition, given to us by the Holy Spirit, and is the indicator that we are indeed saved. We do nothing to achieve it.
 
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Will those who don't believe be forgiven of their sins?

Everyone is forgiven already on account of the death of Christ who suffered and died on behalf of all.

"While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
"Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, and I am the chief of sinners." (1 Timothy 1:15)
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever should trust in Him should not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16)

Do men have to make a confession of faith

The Scripture say,

"because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved. The scripture says, “No one who believes in him will be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and is generous to all who call on him. For, 'Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'" (Romans 10:9-13)

It is through faith that the Holy Spirit appropriates the work of Christ, as the Apostle says in the same chapter, "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ." (Romans 10:17)

That by the preaching of the Gospel comes faith, and through faith God graciously justifies, imputing the righteousness of Christ freely, as a gift; this faith is God's gift and "not of ourselves" (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Romans 10 tells us that though we are not to judge who will ascend or who will descend, we do preach faith in CHRIST to all men which means men must hear and believe and confess JESUS with their mouth and in their heart

Some don't believe
And though HE died for the sins of men, some will die in their sins because they do not believe who HE says HE is

And that has nothing to do with the fact that Christ's work is insufficient or ineffectual; but everything to do with human volition being sinful, broken, and in opposition to God; as the Apostle, quoting the Psalmist writes, "There is none who seek God, no not one" (Romans 3:11) and the Prophet Jeremiah who has written, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick, who can understand it?" (Jeremiah 17:9); it is therefore not up to man to do what is right in the sight of God in order to earn God's favor, it is instead God who has accomplished our salvation for us already, by sending His Son, our Lord Jesus, who suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, buried, and dead, and who rose on the third day. He has thereby won for us salvation, forgiveness, eternal life, and victory over sin, death, hell, and the devil. He has accomplished this, for our good, in accordance with God's will, love, and kindness.

So yes, Christ died for the unbelieving, Christ died for all sinners, and by His death there is forgiveness of sin--of all sins, everyone's sins, without condition. Christ alone has done this, God has done it all. Glory to God alone.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Do you think this is my opinion, @ViaCrucis


Did you read John 9 and John 13?

However it is that you interpret them would be your opinion, yes. But you haven't provided your understanding of those chapters that I can see, and thus can't comment one way or another.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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-CryptoLutheran[/QUOTE]
Everyone is forgiven already on account of the death of Christ who suffered and died on behalf of all.

"While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
"Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, and I am the chief of sinners." (1 Timothy 1:15)
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever should trust in Him should not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16)



The Scripture say,

"because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved. The scripture says, “No one who believes in him will be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and is generous to all who call on him. For, 'Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'" (Romans 10:9-13)

It is through faith that the Holy Spirit appropriates the work of Christ, as the Apostle says in the same chapter, "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ." (Romans 10:17)

That by the preaching of the Gospel comes faith, and through faith God graciously justifies, imputing the righteousness of Christ freely, as a gift; this faith is God's gift and "not of ourselves" (Ephesians 2:8-9)



And that has nothing to do with the fact that Christ's work is insufficient or ineffectual; but everything to do with human volition being sinful, broken, and in opposition to God; as the Apostle, quoting the Psalmist writes, "There is none who seek God, no not one" (Romans 3:11) and the Prophet Jeremiah who has written, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick, who can understand it?" (Jeremiah 17:9); it is therefore not up to man to do what is right in the sight of God in order to earn God's favor, it is instead God who has accomplished our salvation for us already, by sending His Son, our Lord Jesus, who suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, buried, and dead, and who rose on the third day. He has thereby won for us salvation, forgiveness, eternal life, and victory over sin, death, hell, and the devil. He has accomplished this, for our good, in accordance with God's will, love, and kindness.

So yes, Christ died for the unbelieving, Christ died for all sinners, and by His death there is forgiveness of sin--of all sins, everyone's sins, without condition. Christ alone has done this, God has done it all. Glory to God alone.

-CryptoLutheran
Will GOD justify those whose faith is not in HIS SON?
 
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However it is that you interpret them would be your opinion, yes. But you haven't provided your understanding of those chapters that I can see, and thus can't comment one way or another.

-CryptoLutheran
It's clearly there and I believe in a prior post here on this thread I pointed it out. You can review it and offer your ....comments?

Don't you mean your opinions?

It's what you just did in your prior post pointing out Paul's letters to a believing body and applying it to even those outside the body. Something Paul did not do
 
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Hello Jeff.

The weight of scripture simply tells us. to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

That is the most important doctrine in the scripture and is called the Gospel.

It is never what we can do to earn salvation, it is granted to us by God Himself.

Believing in Jesus is not a work of the law.
except it does not only say that does it.
no,it does not.
Jesus said repentance for the forgivness of sin is to be preached..
not belief only.
the devils believe -and tremble
and belief where one only says it but does not act on it ,is hypocrisy .a pretense .
 
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Jeff, "what must we do to receive forgiveness"? Hmmm, We can go straight to Jesus Christ to ask for forgiveness, but how does one know if Jesus Christ has forgiven US of our sins or Retained them?

Jeff, when did you last ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness? And did you hear HIM say your sins are forgiven or retained? You don't know, YOU HOPE Christ has forgiven you, Remember not all who say Lord Lord will be saved, why perhaps their sins were retained, they did not do the fathers will.

Jesus Christ, left His Church founded on Rock that many can come and literally hear with their ears wether their sins were forgiven or retained. Have you not read:
John 20:21 below:

John 20: 21He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Jeff, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send You"... Jeff, TO DO WHAT??? Jesus Christ Breathed on His Apostles the Holy Spirit... Jefff, TO DO WHAT, AGAIN? To do what the Father sent Jesus Christ to do, AND that is Forgive or Retain Sins, the Catholic Church has this power through the Successors of the Apostles.

Protestants believe they can go straight to Jesus Christ for forgiveness, We Catholics do this as well, however, we know a Truth found in
John 20 21-23 that the protestants don't AND THAT IS Jesus Christ left His Church manage the Sheep untoo Salvation. Amen
Well thats just flat out wrong on so .any levels.
 
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