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What must we do for the forgiveness of sins?

Alithis

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I would just add we are responding to a calling.
Yes..for the rest of our lives.
We obey

We could do nothing to earn the opurtunity to repent .that was given graciously .
But repent we must and obey we must.
For it is disobedience we are turning from.
 
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Forgiveness is for the past and present - provided that there is repentance. How can one repent of sins in the future, yet to be committed? As far as I know, there is no scripture that states that future sins are automatically forgiven.
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And the same is true of all who believe in their own righteous efforts instead of the righteous obedience of Christ.

-CryptoLutheran
Who does that?
It is the very reason repentance For the forgiveness of sin is to be preached.
Repentance is not a one of act repeted over and over..it is a maintained way of life.
Peope who repetedly confess the same sins... Testify against themselves that they are refusing to repent.
 
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OP: Q1:" What must we (BELIEVERS) "do" to receive "forgiveness" (of sin),"

Q2: "and if there is something we (truly saved) must "do", is it "work:?

A1: Spiritually discern ALL of : 1 John 1
A2: "CONFESS" = spiritually agree with God about the believer's sin after salvation: 1 John 1


Peter's first spirit-led sermon on the miraculous day of Pentecostdo not provide STEPS (1+2+3=6) to Salvation.Look ONLY at what Jesus said in a nearby thread!

Act 2:14, 36-38 (NASB)
But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them (crowds at Pentecost): ...
Act 2:36
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him BOTH Lord (God) and Christ (Divine Messiah)
—this Jesus whom you crucified.” (The Gospel!)
Act 2:37
Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, (drawn by God, spirit-led BELIEF)
and said to Peter and the rest of the (11) apostles, “ Brethren, what shall we DO?” (to be like you)
Act 2:38
Peter said to THEM,
“Repent, (turn to God) and
each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ
(not in the name of John the Baptizer..baptism AFTER salvation)
FOR (as a symbol of salvation, BECAUSE OF) the forgiveness of your sins;
and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (be baptized into God the Holy Spirit)

"FOR" = Greek 1519 "eis" ~= into, unto, to, towards, for, among, (because of?) (in place of?)

FORGIVENESS / REMISSION ...Greek 859 - "aphesis'...release from bondage or imprisonment; forgiveness or pardon, of sins
(letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

Forgiveness of Sin / Sin(s) is ONE of the spiritual benefits of salvation!...(all NASB)

Matthew 26:28
for this is My blood of the (NEW) covenant,
which is poured out for many FOR forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:24
And He said to them, “This is My blood of the (NEW)covenant, which is poured out FOR many.

Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying,
“This cup which is poured out FOR you is the NEW covenant IN My blood.

Luke 1:77
To give to His people the knowledge of salvation,
By (knowing) the forgiveness of their sins,

Act 5:31
“He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior,
to grant repentance to Israel, and (to grant) forgiveness of sins.

Act 10:43
“Of Him all the prophets bear witness that
through His name everyone who BELIEVES in Him receives forgiveness of sins.”


Ephesians 1:7
IN Him, we have redemption THROUGH His blood,
the forgiveness of our trespasses,
according to the riches of His GRACE

Colosians 1:14
in whom we have redemption,
the forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 12: ...Jesus: The ONLY Unpardonable/Unforgivable Sin
30 He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
31 “Therefore I say to you,
any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people,
but blasphemy against (God) the (Holy) Spirit shall not be forgiven.
32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him;
but whoever speaks against (God) the Holy Spirit,
it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

QUERY for Believers: How does one "blaspheme" against The Spiritual Person who permanently indwells you?
 
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RE: POST #2O: QUESTION: What is your NASB Scriptural support by copy + paste verses for:

1. Go to Confession,
2. tell your sins to the priest,
3. be truly sorry for them, and
4. do the assigned penance.
 
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"repentance" is NOT a pre-requisite for the "forgiveness of sin" committed by believers after salvation. 1 John 1
Yeah ok .umm so believe you or believe Jesus who said repentance for the forgiveness of sin will be preached.
I Wil take his word over yours.
You can't even ask forgiveness without having repented in order to do so.

People really seem to hate the repentance part of the gospel...
 
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RE: POST #2O: QUESTION: What is your NASB Scriptural support by copy + paste verses for:

1. Go to Confession,
2. tell your sins to the priest,
3. be truly sorry for them, and
4. do the assigned penance.
Absolute utter rubbish
 
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As has been pointed out many times before, anyone who has received the gift of saving faith necessarily will become faithful. They are inseparable.

There are no two ways around that, and there's no great mystery about the linkage. Faith saves, and people who have faith will demonstrate it.

But you cannot enhance your salvation or improve your chances by going around collecting chits from God for performing good deeds! You have already been saved, which is why you'd feel the desire follow the Lord and do good.
While it is true that those who are genuinely saved will indeed persevere and remain faithful, it does not necessarily follow that all who are genuinely saved will indeed persevere. Some were never saved to begin with, but others were indeed saved but did not endure in the faith to fight the good fight and finish the race set before us. The scriptures refer to those who apostatized and fell away from the faith. Apostasy only applies to believers as it is impossible for unbelievers to apostatize from the faith since they never belonged to or were a part of the faith to begin with. Thus those of saving faith will not all remain faithful.
 
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RESPONSE TO POST#209:
"...those of "saving faith" will not all remain "faithful".

Q1: "Faithful" to what? FOR BELIEVERS: "apostasy", "falling away", "growing cold", "not standing firm until the end of the Tribulation" (and the like) do NOT result in a loss of "SPIRITUAL POSITION", permanent loss of the SALVATION EVENT ...described in John 3 and explained in Ephesians 2...a change of Man's spirit.

These are ALL "forgiveable sins". 1 John 1
In the SANCTIFICATION PROCESS, these conditions are indications that believers are outside the "will of God" and are 'UN-fruitful". John 15

Believers continue to sin after salvation!
 
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While it is true that those who are genuinely saved will indeed persevere and remain faithful, it does not necessarily follow that all who are genuinely saved will indeed persevere.
Doesn't that statement contradict itself?

Some were never saved to begin with, but others were indeed saved but did not endure in the faith to fight the good fight and finish the race set before us. The scriptures refer to those who apostatized and fell away from the faith. Apostasy only applies to believers as it is impossible for unbelievers to apostatize from the faith since they never belonged to or were a part of the faith to begin with. Thus those of saving faith will not all remain faithful.

I think it's evident that the epistle of James, which is famous for explaining this, is saying that those who only claim or seem to have Faith but do not live a changed life never really had a genuine Faith.
 
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And the same is true of all who believe in their own righteous efforts instead of the righteous obedience of Christ.

-CryptoLutheran
This is Old Testament understanding. The "Now Testament" is about how we receive the reality of grace and mercy. Forgiveness is not something we ask for it is the gospel of "the cross", as we know very well,
Mt 6:15 But if you do not forgive men their offenses, neither will your Father forgive your offenses Forgivess appears to be conditional in how we walk! According to the flesh or Lord Spirit.
 
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RESPONSE TO POST#209:
"...those of "saving faith" will not all remain "faithful".

Q1: "Faithful" to what? FOR BELIEVERS: "apostasy", "falling away", "growing cold", "not standing firm until the end of the Tribulation" (and the like) do NOT result in a loss of "SPIRITUAL POSITION", permanent loss of the SALVATION EVENT ...described in John 3 and explained in Ephesians 2...a change of Man's spirit.

These are ALL "forgiveable sins". 1 John 1
In the SANCTIFICATION PROCESS, these conditions are indications that believers are outside the "will of God" and are 'UN-fruitful". John 15

Believers continue to sin after salvation!
It is how we deal with our conviction of our sin as it relates to judgement of our actions weather good or evil
Mt 6:15 But if you do not forgive men their offenses, neither will your Father forgive your offenses
 
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Doesn't that statement contradict itself?



I think it's evident that the epistle of James, which is famous for explaining this, is saying that those who only claim or seem to have Faith but do not live a changed life never really had a genuine Faith.
The book of James as well as the rest of the epistles are written to believers only, otherwise referred to as the church, saints, brethren etc. In writing to the saints James stated that we are justified by works and not by faith alone and faith without works is dead. In other words, a Christian's inner faith is made manifest and proved to be genuine by one's outward works. James cannot be referring to unbelievers as they possess no saving faith to begin with and their works done in the flesh cannot save them.

To infer that those who only claimed to have faith but do not live a changed life never really had a genuine faith would be a logical fallacy known as a hasty generalization. It would be like saying that since SOME chickens lay brown eggs, ALL chickens lay brown eggs which we know would not be accurate since some chickens lay white and green eggs as well. In addition to James, Paul makes it very clear when he wrote to the brethren (v.12) "for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live" (Rom 8:13). Paul could not have been referring to physical death because everyone dies irrespective of the kind of life they live. In writing to the brethren in Rome, Paul warned them that if they are living according to the flesh, they will experience spiritual death. Paul did not address this verse to unbelievers or to those who claimed to have faith but never genuinely had it.
 
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It is how we deal with our conviction of our sin as it relates to judgement of our actions weather good or evil
Mt 6:15 But if you do not forgive men their offenses, neither will your Father forgive your offenses
Faithful to what? Answer: faithful to Jesus and obedience to his commands (Heb 5:9). Everyone including Christians sin according to 1 John 1. Jesus forgives when we sin occasionally. In particular, notice that 1 Jn 1:7 states that Jesus' cleansing blood only applies to those who are "walking in the light." Those Christians who are walking in the light are those believers whose lifestyles are characterized by obedient and holy lives but when they do sin on occasion, Jesus' blood cleanses. This is in contrast to believers who practice sin; engage in habitual sin - for such as those there is no assurance that Jesus' blood cleanses as his blood is only reserved for those who walk in the light (v.7). Believers who practice sin are instead characterized as walking in darkness, lie and do not even have fellowship with God (v.6).
 
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Yes, furthermore consider that if future sins are automatically forgiven then Christians should have no problem in the future if they choose to take the mark of the beast. Obviously, that presumption of automatic forgiveness of future sin is contrary to the stern warning of Rev 14:9-11.
 
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Yes, furthermore consider that if future sins are automatically forgiven then Christians should have no problem in the future if they choose to take the mark of the beast. Obviously, that presumption of automatic forgiveness of future sin is contrary to the stern warning of Rev 14:9-11.
Repentance is just not a popular topic.
People want to add a subclause or something to excuse themselves.. Usually from ones favorite sin
But there is no subclause and none is needed. For when we love him ..we do as he says .
 
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Faithful to what? Answer: faithful to Jesus and obedience to his commands (Heb 5:9). Everyone including Christians sin according to 1 John 1. Jesus forgives when we sin occasionally. In particular, notice that 1 Jn 1:7 states that Jesus' cleansing blood only applies to those who are "walking in the light." Those Christians who are walking in the light are those believers whose lifestyles are characterized by obedient and holy lives but when they do sin on occasion, Jesus' blood cleanses. This is in contrast to believers who practice sin; engage in habitual sin - for such as those there is no assurance that Jesus' blood cleanses as his blood is only reserved for those who walk in the light (v.7). Believers who practice sin are instead characterized as walking in darkness, lie and do not even have fellowship with God (v.6).
Sinning accidently is a myth people tell themselves to appease thier conscience. Because it's mostly a particular sin they keep on so called accidentally doing ...and therein is that lie exposed.
So what people actually mean is sinning“ ignorantly..“
such missing of the mark in ignorance is covered by Grace.but if they know it's sin then they are not ignorant of it anymore.

So for example to others - If a 18 month old draws on the wall with crayon... Its wrong but you give Grace. If your 10yr old did the same you would NOT afford them the same Grace.!
And therein lays the big issue.
We have churches full of 20 yr olds.... Still Scribbling on the walls! abusing grace
 
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Sinning accidently is a myth people tell themselves to appease thier conscience. Because it's mostly a particular sin they keep on so called accidentally doing ...and therein is that lie exposed.
So what people actually mean is sinning“ ignorantly..“
such missing of the mark in ignorance is covered by Grace.but if they know it's sin then they are not ignorant of it anymore.

So for example to others - If a 18 month old draws on the wall with crayon... Its wrong but you give Grace. If your 10yr old did the same you would NOT afford them the same Grace.!
And therein lays the big issue.
We have churches full of 20 yr olds.... Still Scribbling on the walls! abusing grace
 
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I suppose there are sins that one can commit accidentally particularly for a brand new convert still immature in the faith - that would be akin to your 18 mth old example where God still bestows grace as he/she does not know any better. And yes on the other hand we have churches full of 20 yr olds who do know better and presume upon God's forgiveness and abuse His grace. To such as those Paul warned in 1 Cor 6:9-11: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." Regenerate believers are cleansed from their former sins and warned by Paul not to return to them for if they do, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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