What is wrong with Calvinism ?

[RickReads]

Thanks.

But doesn't that present a problem regarding NT teaching where the law. . ."and every other commandment there might be" is fulfilled by loving our neighbor (Romans 13:8-10)?

That is not the teaching of the Jewish faith.

"Messianic" seems to be a carve-out for not believing and submitting to all authoritative NT apostolic teaching, for keeping one foot in the OT, and adapting the NT to the OT, contrary to
"The OT is the NT concealed, and the NT is the OT revealed."

The Messianic is the modern-day church of Peter just as Christianity is the modern-day church of
Paul. Galatians 2:8

It has nothing to do with Judaism which was created in the 2nd century

 

[RickReads]

How does being named after Christ become an insult?

In Roman times it was an insult and is still an issue for many Jews. Nothing wrong with saying Messianic.
Jews have been condescendingly mistreated in the name of Christianity.

I almost felt Jewish after talking to you recently.

 

[enoob57]

The meaning of God's word doesn't depend on a human-constructed hermeneutic developed for the examination of human-authored writing, as though the mind of God were equivalent to the mind of man.

I don't think your thinking through this completely... to whom was God's word written? Does God through His Word want to reason with us? What is the purpose for the writing of God's Word? When one does their due diligence in answering these questions we find a much different result than you are indicating in your response here...

While men put pen to paper, Scripture is not the mind of men, but the mind of God (2 Timothy 3:16).
Scripture has nothing to do with anything other than the mind of God.

Isaiah 1:18 (KJV)
[18] Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Jude 3 (KJV)
[3] Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Romans 10:17 (KJV)
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

This reasoning of faith delivered to us through His Word is clearly outlined in the Son's prayer to the Father:
John 17:14 (KJV)
[14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.[15] I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.[16] They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.[18] As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.[19] And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

And it is the context of all Scripture which dictates that objective truth of the mind of God.
"Foundational" is determined by the context of all Scripture, not by a human hermeneutic.

Since written communication is comprised of grammar do you suppose it is necessary to know grammar? Seeing how it was written by a certain individual to certain audience at a certain time do you suppose context is necessary? Does culture, historical presence, ideologies of that time, etc. are necessary for who, what, when, where and why of that time... if you answer yes to any of these then your practicing a hermeneutic of written material.

It is an obedience to God
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The only thing outside of Scripture with bearing on the truth of Scripture is the Greek dictionary.

This is a mystical approach called into subjectivity of the individual and denying the objective truth called Scripture- it will never work ... If the Scripture were not in a objective format then we would have nothing at all to test the spirits that come to us in everyday life...

John was confronting gnosticism of his day that Jesus wasn't really flesh and how did he refute that
John 1:1-3 (KJV)
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
...
John 1:14 (KJV)
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
with Scripture just as Jesus did when He was confronted with the temptation of satan...

It is with The Scripture our minds are renewed to truth
Ephesians 4:23 (KJV)
[23] And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

 

[Clare73]

The later half of Romans 5:18 is referring to the ransom paid by Jesus for all men towards our justification

Agreed. . .
Romans 5:18 is referring to the only righteousness that exists, the righteousness of God and of his one and only begotten Son, which righteousness from God is imputed to man by faith (Romans 1:17, Romans 3:21-24) as it was imputed to Abraham by faith (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3)

any way you slice it. You can’t waive it off through cunning. And
per Hebrews 4:1-2 any gift or promise from God is received through faith

The promise of Hebrews 4:1-2 was Canaan rest, but which promise of rest still remains in salvation rest in Jesus Christ, which must be entered by faith in Jesus Christ.

I'm sure you'll understand if I don't see it as "cunning" to prefer the actual words of the text over any words added by man to the text, particularly when the words added are the authority for specific substitution neither stated nor indicated in the text.

 

[Clare73]

In Roman times it was an insult and is still an issue for many Jews. Nothing wrong with saying Messianic.
Jews have been condescendingly mistreated in the name of Christianity.

I almost felt Jewish after talking to you recently.

I'm not sure what you are saying by that, but I suspect it means it was a good thing.

You think Christian Jews have been treated condescendingly?

Not in any Christian community I've been.

 

[RickReads]

I'm not sure what you are saying by that, but I suspect it means it was a good thing.

You thing Christian Jews have been treated condescendingly?

Not in any Christian community I've been.

There wasn't anything good about it. I really don't care to speak to you anymore. I made an exception due to my interest in this topic. Covetousness makes you do strange things.

 

[Clare73]

The Messianic is the modern-day church of Peter just as Christianity is the modern-day church of
Paul. Galatians 2:8

It has nothing to do with Judaism which was created in the 2nd century

What is the difference between the Judaism of the OT and the Judaism of the second century?

 

[Clare73]

There wasn't anything good about it. I really don't care to speak to you anymore. I made an exception due to my interest in this topic. Covetousness makes you do strange things.

As does judging the hearts of brothers in Christ?

I understood you to be saying that being a Jew was a good thing.
So it's really a bad thing?

 

[RickReads]

What is the difference between the Judaism of the OT and the Judaism of the second century?

There is no such thing as OT Judaism.

It wasn't invented until after the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD

 

[RickReads]

As does judging the hearts of brothers in Christ?

I understood you to be saying that being a Jew was a good thing.
So it's really a bad thing?

It's a bad thing when you are abused by people who think they are representing Jesus.

 

[RickReads]

As does judging the hearts of brothers in Christ?

I just caught this. I was speaking to my own covetousness for Messianic knowledge.

 

[ReverendRV]

Seems to leave out the Holy Spirit?

Forums are so tricky. It's difficult to say something in such a way that it cannot be set-upon by somebody...

 

[RickReads]

Forums are so tricky. It's difficult to say something in such a way that it cannot be set-upon by somebody...

Now now, sour grapes.

 

[iwbswiaihl]

Baptists are weak in matters of the Spirit. That's why I had to leave them behind.

How so are they weak according to you. thx

 

[Clare73]

I don't think your thinking through this completely... to whom was God's word written? Does God through His Word want to reason with us? What is the purpose for the writing of God's Word?

But do we need hermeneutics for the answers to those questions?
Hermeneutics gives us neither the right application of the OT to the NT, nor of the NT to the OT.
That is the function of the whole counsel of God, in the light of the NT.

There were great divines centuries before the development of hermeneutics, who dug deep into God's word showing us truths there that are hidden from most of us until they show them. . .all done for centuries without hermeneututics.

Nor do we need hermeneutics for an "objective format" of Scripture, nor to test the spirits by Scripture, for that is the function of Scripture itself, as understood in the light of all Scripture, and which has served well in the absence of man's hermeneutics, recently developed for the study of human literature, which the word of God is not.

Scripture being words written on on paper by men does not make it human literature, subject to hermeneutical analysis as human literature.

Hermeneutics is nothing more than modern man's attempt to establish authority over the meaning of Scripture, superseding the authority established by God over it; i.e., the context of the whole counsel of God.

When one does their due diligence in answering these questions we find a much different result than you are indicating in your response here...
Isaiah 1:18 (KJV)
[18] Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Jude 3 (KJV)
[3] Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Romans 10:17 (KJV)
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

This reasoning of faith delivered to us through His Word is clearly outlined in the Son's prayer to the Father:
John 17:14 (KJV)
[14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.[15] I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.[16] They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.[18] As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.[19] And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Since written communication is comprised of grammar do you suppose it is necessary to know grammar? Seeing how it was written by a certain individual to certain audience at a certain time do you suppose context is necessary? Does culture, historical presence, ideologies of that time, etc. are necessary for who, what, when, where and why of that time... if you answer yes to any of these then your practicing a hermeneutic of written material.

It is an obedience to God
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

This is a mystical approach called into subjectivity of the individual and denying the objective truth called Scripture- it will never work ... If the Scripture were not in a objective format then we would have nothing at all to test the spirits that come to us in everyday life...

John was confronting gnosticism of his day that Jesus wasn't really flesh and how did he refute that
John 1:1-3 (KJV)
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
...
John 1:14 (KJV)
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
with Scripture just as Jesus did when He was confronted with the temptation of satan...

It is with The Scripture our minds are renewed to truth
Ephesians 4:23 (KJV)
[23] And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

 

[iwbswiaihl]

How does being named after Christ become an insult?

Yeshua ben Yahweh. What does this mean?

 

[RickReads]

How so are they weak according to you. thx

When I attend a Baptist service the only people I see worshipping God are the preacher and maybe some of the music people. In addition, there is a profound knowledge deficit regarding the Holly Spirit.

If that is nourishing to you then good but I`m a problem child and that is just too vanilla for me. It's an environment I`ll misbehave in.

 

[iwbswiaihl]

I should have added who I was responding too,

 

[RickReads]

Yeshua ben Yahweh. What does this mean?

Jesus son of God. Hebrew transliteration.

 

[Clare73]

There is no such thing as OT Judaism.

It wasn't invented until after the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD

So you're saying Jewish belief and practices in the OT was not Judaism?

Does it have another name?