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what is the whole law?

what is the law spoken of in the NT

  • the law of Moses

  • the law of Abraham

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Yeah...no chance of productive dialogue with you is there? :thumbsup:

Done!!

I just don't see how arguing against my definition of hearing and being rude about it in the process is productive. Maybe it means something else also, but offending me the way you did sure didn't help your cause bro. I'm sorry for getting offended and i'm sorry for offending you.
 
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I just don't see how arguing against my definition of hearing and being rude about it in the process is productive. Maybe it means something else also, but offending me the way you did sure didn't help your cause bro. I'm sorry for getting offended and i'm sorry for offending you.

Well my apologies for sounding rude. In a discussion debate forum I do think we need a pretty thick skin and allow each other some latitude with how we present our views wouldn't you agree?
 
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Well my apologies for sounding rude. In a discussion debate forum I do think we need a pretty thick skin and allow each other some latitude with how we present our views wouldn't you agree?

No problem bro. I guess we do need to learn not to get offended, only by praying and trying can we do it i think, but i think we should all try to keep offenses given and taken in check because it makes us look bad to outsiders and it hurts each other which takes away from the work of the holy spirit i think. I'm not guiltless because i have done my share of offending and maybe more than my fare share of getting offended, i do need to grow thicker skin. Latitude is good.
 
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Well my apologies for sounding rude. In a discussion debate forum I do think we need a pretty thick skin and allow each other some latitude with how we present our views wouldn't you agree?
Ya need even thicker skin when debating the "heathens" on the Bible :thumbsup:
This board is like the old General Apologetics :)

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No problem bro. I guess we do need to learn not to get offended, only by praying and trying can we do it i think, but i think we should all try to keep offenses given and taken in check because it makes us look bad to outsiders and it hurts each other which takes away from the work of the holy spirit i think. I'm not guiltless because i have done my share of offending and maybe more than my fare share of getting offended, i do need to grow thicker skin. Latitude is good.
That is always a good idea on GT :)

NKJ) Ezekiel 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and suddenly a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to bone.
8 Indeed, as I looked, the sinews and the flesh came upon them, and the skin covered them over; but [there was] no breath in them.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7515660/
What is the "Valley of Bones in Ezek 37 all about?
 
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This was a post by another member and rather than sidetracking that thread, I would like to ask others view of what exactly is meant by "the whole Law". Thanks

(NKJV) James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point,] he is guilty of all.

Textus Rec.) James 2:10 ostiV gar olon ton nomon thrhsei ptaisei de en eni gegonen pantwn enocoV
God's commandments that define sin are written in "the law"...but they don't make up the whole law. Paul used the term "the whole law" to make it clear that the law has within it symbolic aspects that should not be required of the gentiles.
Paul expresses clearly, in a letter to the Corinthians, this distinction in what the gentiles should keep from what was not necessary: "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters" (1 Corinthians:7:19).
 
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God's commandments that define sin are written in "the law"...but they don't make up the whole law. Paul used the term "the whole law" to make it clear that the law has within it symbolic aspects that should not be required of the gentiles.
Paul expresses clearly, in a letter to the Corinthians, this distinction in what the gentiles should keep from what was not necessary: "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters" (1 Corinthians:7:19).
What do you mean by "symbolic aspects"?
 
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What do you mean by "symbolic aspects"?

Mainly the sacrificial system that all pointed to the work the "Christ" would come and do at His first comming.
We do not need to make animal sacrifices any more yet we still need a sacrifice applyed to our sins.
Even the laws like that are not done away, they are just administered differently now.
 
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus What do you mean by "symbolic aspects"?
Mainly the sacrificial system that all pointed to the work the "Christ" would come and do at His first comming.
We do not need to make animal sacrifices any more yet we still need a sacrifice applyed to our sins.
Even the laws like that are not done away, they are just administered differently now.
Ahhh.....I agree :thumbsup:

NKJV) John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"

Reve 5:6 And I saw and behold! in midst of the throne and of the four living-ones and in midst of the elders a Lamb standing, as having been slaughtered/slain
[Isaiah 53:7/Acts 8:32/Romans 8:36]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7245442/
The "lambkin" in Revelation and John 21 question
 
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Matthew 22
34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 
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This was a post by another member and rather than sidetracking that thread, I would like to ask others view of what exactly is meant by "the whole Law". Thanks

(NKJV) James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point,] he is guilty of all.

Textus Rec.) James 2:10 ostiV gar olon ton nomon thrhsei ptaisei de en eni gegonen pantwn enocoV

The conclusion of the 'whole Law' is that mankind are sinners, all.

The Hope of the believer resides here, in His Word...all of same:

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.


It becomes very problematic to see LIFE in 'every Word' of God because there is factual resistance to that sight, courtesy of the tempter. The tempter tried it with Jesus. The attempt failed.

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I dunno. What are you calling the whole law? Are you calling the covenant with the COI the whole law? Or might you be refering to the law and the prophets as the whole law?
Interesting question
 
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Well my apologies for sounding rude. In a discussion debate forum I do think we need a pretty thick skin and allow each other some latitude with how we present our views wouldn't you agree?

This should be pasted on the home page of the forum.

I hate when people make bad arguments and then call the mods to trump up a charge when they get ownt. (unrelated to this thread, didn't read much)
 
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Originally Posted by Freedom63 Well my apologies for sounding rude. In a discussion debate forum I do think we need a pretty thick skin and allow each other some latitude with how we present our views wouldn't you agree?
This should be pasted on the home page of the forum.

I hate when people make bad arguments and then call the mods to trump up a charge when they get ownt. (unrelated to this thread, didn't read much)
It is good to have thick skin on the GT board, but there are still rules to follow.
Anywho, back to the topic at hand :thumbsup:

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James 2 says we are to keep the whole law. In James we see the Royal Law quoted (Lev 19:18 Love your neighbor, Deut 6:5 Love God) and we also see James quotes from the Ten Commandments -- calling the Ten the "Law of Liberty".

This means that at the very least - those laws are included James's text as they are explicitly reference.

Acts 15 defines other laws beyond the 10 Commandments, Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 - it also includes food laws regarding eating meat with blood in it - and eating meat offered to idols. James is not trying to null out Acts 15 in James 2.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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