what is the whole law?

[brinny]

The "whole law" was fulfilled by Jesus Christ, when He announced "It is finished" while on the cross. Any "blockades", "chasms", "hindrances" had been done away with, as represented by the ripping asunder of the curtain in the Temple. He took that journey, that trek, that no man was capable of, REACHED the place out of reach for all men, and grasped the sacrificial table, put Himself on it, as The Sacrifice that would end all sacrifices. And as His blood flooded the table, it spun waaaay back to the very dawn of sin rearing its ugly head, and in essence, said (to that accusing serpent) that Adam and Eve's sin was obliterated, and on through the generations since, who cry out for salvation. All of heaven has been celebrating since. For now, there is NO hindrance to the Father. We can runnnnnn directly to the Throne Room of our Abba. For what was restored, is our "walks" with our Abba, face to face, as in a garden, with Adam a looooong loooong time ago. Just as in the time of those walks with Adam before the fall, there is no need for "laws" when one is face to face with God, "walking" with Him with a pure heart that loves Him with all that is in them.

As it is written, "love covers a multitude of sins". Jesus Christ's sacrifice covers and supercedes "laws".

Dear hearts, it is possible to love the "laws" and the "ordinances" more than the God they are meant to draw us near to.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The "whole law" was fulfilled by Jesus Christ, when He announced "It is finished" while on the cross. Any "blockades", "chasms", "hindrances" had been done away with, as represented by the ripping asunder of the curtain in the Temple. He took that journey, that trek, that no man was capable of, REACHED the place out of reach for all men, and grasped the sacrificial table, put Himself on it, as The Sacrifice that would end all sacrifices. And as His blood flooded the table, it spun waaaay back to the very dawn of sin rearing its ugly head, and in essence, said (to that accusing serpent) that Adam and Eve's sin was obliterated, and on through the generations since, who cry out for salvation. All of heaven has been celebrating since. For now, there is NO hindrance to the Father. We can runnnnnn directly to the Throne Room of our Abba. For what was restored, is our "walks" with our Abba, face to face, as in a garden, with Adam a looooong loooong time ago. Just as in the time of those walks with Adam before the fall, there is no need for "laws" when one is face to face with God, "walking" with Him with a pure heart that loves Him with all that is in them.

As it is written, "love covers a multitude of sins". Jesus Christ's sacrifice covers and supercedes "laws".

Dear hearts, it is possible to love the "laws" and the "ordinances" more than the God they are meant to draw us near to.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

i have yet to know of a law that makes anyone whole .. maybe heard of one tho

 

[Yarddog]

This was a post by another member and rather than sidetracking that thread, I would like to ask others view of what exactly is meant by "the whole Law". Thanks

(NKJV) James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point,] he is guilty of all.

James is talking about the Mosaic Law in 2:10.

 

[11822]

James is talking about the Mosaic Law in 2:10.

That's what i think also. It may also mean trying to justify ourselves by the law instead of allowing Grace to do that. We are commanded to be doers of the word, and Jesus says that those who do Gods will are his brothers and sisters. If we don't follow the whole teaching of the apostles we risk not doing Gods will and not following Jesus. I'm not willing to take such a big risk.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Jesus said in Matthew 22:37-40 that the first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and soul, and mind. And the second is like unto it.

One need not go any futher than the greatest commandment because it is the heart and soul of the Whole Law.

In verse 40 Jesus said;"On these two commandments hang all the law and prophets."

Without faith in God, and in his Word, the law and prophets mean nothing to you.

Jesus said in Matthew 4:4 that man does not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

What was the source that brought forth the Law and prophets?

It was the Word of God.

So if a man does not believe the Word of God, then he does not truly love God, thereby he has already trangressed the whole of the Law.

Jesus is the very Word of God made flesh. (John 1:14)

In John 8:42 Jesus said;"If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me."

So to Love God, is to Love Jesus; which is the very Word of God made flesh.

In John 16:27 Jesus said;"For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God."

Again we see how the whole law is fulfilled in the greatest commandment, which is to Love God, and believe in his Word (Jesus).

1 John 2:23;"Whosoever denies the Son (Word) has not the Father: but he that acknowledges the the Son(Jesus) has the Father also."

So we conclude the whole law is fulfilled by faith in every Word of God, which is given from Genesis to Revelation, from the beginning of the Bible to end, from the very first word to the very last.

To believe the Word of God, is to believe in Jesus Christ, and to believe in Jesus Christ is to Love God.

And the Love of God is the beginning, and the end of the Law for all those who believe.

 

[Frogster]

look at the principle here, not only if they got snipped in Galatia, they would be under a curse, but really, who can ever satisfy our own book of the law, the nagging of the flesh and ego, to seek perfection, other than by the cross.

3:10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."

That's why Hebrews is quite clear, to have a clean conscience from dead works. 9:14, 10:22.

Darn thats good preaching!

 

[11822]

look at the principle here, not only if they got snipped in Galatia, they would be under a curse, but really, who can ever satisfy our own book of the law, the nagging of the flesh and ego, to seek perfection, other than by the cross.

3:10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."

That's why Hebrews is quite clear, to have a clean conscience from dead works. 9:14, 10:22.

Darn thats good preaching!

Maybe you misunderstand. Obeying the law in the NT is about obedience, its not about perfecting the flesh and stroking the ego. Its about walking in the spirit and forsaking the ego. Its called the narrow path. And it doesn't exclude faith in Jesus or grace by any means. It cant be done without the Lords help and it never becomes perfect or egotistical, instead it delights in obeying God and is always leaning on grace because the flesh cannot be perfected, only warred against. The ego is always there to be warred against, because it also is a work of the flesh. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.

 

[11822]

Why should i feel judged for following Gods call to holiness? Is this not Gods will? His grace is made perfect in my weakness, He promised me that His grace was sufficient for me. I lean on that promise and go forward in obedience and i won't be judged for it.

 

[from scratch]

That's what i think also. It may also mean trying to justify ourselves by the law instead of allowing Grace to do that. We are commanded to be doers of the word, and Jesus says that those who do Gods will are his brothers and sisters. If we don't follow the whole teaching of the apostles we risk not doing Gods will and not following Jesus. I'm not willing to take such a big risk.

Where is faith in your system? One can't have or maintain salvation by a list of rules.

 

[11822]

Where is faith in your system? One can't have or maintain salvation by a list of rules.

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[11822]

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[from scratch]

Maybe you misunderstand. Obeying the law in the NT is about obedience, its not about perfecting the flesh and stroking the ego. Its about walking in the spirit and forsaking the ego. Its called the narrow path. And it doesn't exclude faith in Jesus or grace by any means. It cant be done without the Lords help and it never becomes perfect or egotistical, instead it delights in obeying God and is always leaning on grace because the flesh cannot be perfected, only warred against. The ego is always there to be warred against, because it also is a work of the flesh. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.

I said before and will say again that you're promoting the law throuygh a thrid party. This is the same thing as promoting the law from the OT or OC. You're using a rule list of thou shalt and shalt nots. This isn't grace by which salvation is attained alone. Salvation has nothing to do with the law. Galatians is fanstastic on this point. Romans is also great.

I love James 3:11 - Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

 

[from scratch]

Why should i feel judged for following Gods call to holiness? Is this not Gods will? His grace is made perfect in my weakness, He promised me that His grace was sufficient for me. I lean on that promise and go forward in obedience and i won't be judged for it.

Why sould I be condemned for not following a covenant I was never given?

 

[11822]

I said before and will say again that you're promoting the law throuygh a thrid party. This is the same thing as promoting the law from the OT or OC. You're using a rule list of thou shalt and shalt nots. This isn't grace by which salvation is attained alone. Salvation has nothing to do with the law. Galatians is fanstastic on this point. Romans is also great.

You seem to say i'm following rules for salvation but i tell you that i am following Gods call to holiness. My faith is Jesus Christ and my Faith tells me i can obey Gods call to holiness without warring against the will of God with false teaching to justify my own disobedience. I follow the narrow road not the wide and easy one. I follow Gods will which is faith in Jesus Christ and his call to holiness, i don't follow a list of rules. Gods Grace is made perfect in my weakness, his grace is sufficient enough for me and i will obey him. That's faith. It took me a long time of being disobedient until i finally i asked God to help me to be obedient and he is helping me. When i fail i ask forgiveness and rest in His grace. That's being a doer of the word as far as i can see.

 

[11822]

Why sould I be condemned for not following a covenant I was never given?

Im not doing that to you.

 

[11822]

The Gospel is simple, you let Gods grace shine bright and carefully explain His will that is found in the NT. But you don't say Gods will is only found in faith because he calls us to be holy.

 

[Emmy]

Dear LittleLambofJesus. When Jesus told the Lawyer in Mathew: " On these two Commandments hang All the Law and the Prophets," He told the Lawyer: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Also: Love thy neighbour as thyself. We can therefore safely assume, that those 2 Commandments are the whole law. God wants our Love, freely given and absolutely selfless. Everything we say, or do, or advocate, must be from Love. Love is a Christian`s only weapon, with love we can overcome all enmity, all adversary, and all underhand dealings. And Love will change us into the men and women which God wants to surround Him. A good way to start is: treat all we know and all we meet, as we would love to be treated, with kindness, and friendly words, rather than angry replies or accusations, helpful hands, (when needed) and loving hearts and forgiveness, than always insisting on one`s right. We will find that slowly, but surly, our whole self changes, we feel like newborn and loved as we love all around us. God will see our sincere efforts and God will bless us, our days become more friendly and we enjoy life: we will be treated as we treat others, we will become good neighbours to all. God will know that we love Him, because we follow His Commandments to love. AND with God on our side, who, or what, can be against us. Jesus will give us His Love and Joy, and the Holy Spirit will give us His Love, too. Jesus told us to: " ask and ye will receive," then we thank God and share all Love and Joy with all around us: friends as well as not friends. That is what God wants from us, to love and grow more as He wants us to be. Jesus will lead us, He is The Way. I say this with love, LittleLambofJesus. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Frogster]

The Gospel is simple, you let Gods grace shine bright and carefully explain His will that is found in the NT. But you don't say Gods will is only found in faith because he calls us to be holy.

tell us how to be holy. One can obstain from fornication, but still not be holy..

i will give ya a hint, put on the new man, eph 4,that was created in true holiness, the new man God put you into, not something you create.

 

[11822]

tell us how to be holy. One can obstain from fornication, but still not be holy..

i will give ya a hint, put on the new man, eph 4,that was created in true holiness, the new man God put you into, not something you create.

Yep i agree.