I don't see anything necessarily obscurantic about these things. Do we really understand electricity beyond how we describe it with mathematical equations such as with quantum electrodynamics? We don't even understand the "how" exactly for flight (although I believe this issue will be resolved at some point with an updated scientific understanding)- see Scientific American from a couple of years ago. We can understand the "how" through science but do we really understand the "why".
In the Christian way of thinking, what you are trying to call facts are called beliefs. Christians would say that if all you can conceive of is the world in terms of "how" and don't allow for faith, then you can never get any understanding in terms of "why". When science moves from insisting on methodological naturalism (which I think is a good thing for everyone including religions) to metaphysical naturalism, then it is no longer just science.
The Beguines have some of the most profound and insightful thinking in all of Christian mysticism and mysticism in general. Whether you agree with it or not, it predates what we today we call modern depth psychology by hundreds of years. Remarkable.
I do hear Christians claiming facts
Some do and some don't. Have you done a statistically significant survey?? What type of Christians?? - Liberal, Evangelical, Coptic, Catholic, Modernist, Orthodox, Pentecostal....?
If you don't that's probably a minority view.
Again - have your proof or evidence??
I identified math and physics as having
infinitiry, and I suppose your God infinity
is "metaphysical"?
Physics tries to rid itself of infinities. One of the big problems in string theory. Christians would say god has metaphysical and physical qualities (both immanent and transcendent to use the fancy theological jargon)
I didn't know categorizing was necessary to
draw forth an explanation as to why
infinity as such allows for no facts.
Is it only God - infinity that is fact free?
You can't know facts about something if you can't establish the things existence. god is claimed to have infinite qualities like power. In order to establish that something was actually god you would have to establish that the thing (claimed to be god) had all possible power - an infinite amount. There is no way to do this because in the real world this is equivalent even in the simplest possible scenario of infinity to writing out all the actual digits of pi which is impossible. I know this abstract but you can probably figure it out. I sent you a link to a book in another post if you really want to learn something and am not just being a provocateur.
I guess it would have been less obscure
to say God is " metaphysical" as a,
what, fact? And therefore immune to any other facts?
But regardless, sure, I would never
expect facts or any other info to
emerge from " metaphysics".
We assume things that go beyond physics all the time as convenient tools to figure out and understand this world. Most of our ideas, theories and models even in science have aspect that go beyond physics. For example:
1. Principles of logic - the universe may not actually be logical, how do you know?
2. Principles of non-contradiction - (case of 1.) not A and A can't be both true at the same time. May be they are?
3. Nature is not capricious - Maybe nature doesn't ultimately follow any laws
4. etc...
I would suggest you learn a little bit more about philosophy, philosophy of mathematics and Science before you are so quick to just glibly dismiss areas of philosophy and some of its areas out of turn. Science is built on philosophy and mathematics. Specifically, Physics is built on philosophy and mathematics, chemistry on physics and biology on chemistry/physics. Biology and geology are way down on the hierarchy of science.
So, if you are fact free, and have no more
snark or name calling to get outta your
system, we can call it a day.
Or night, it's late even for a dedicated insomniac
like me.
You seem to be really touchy here.
(Ps folk wisdom often is pretty deep
and it doesn't take that much to outrank today's psych..)[/QUOTE]
Interesting you say that as AI has no problem doing a lots of "very hard math and physics type stuff" and does very poorly on what you call "folk wisdom" and "psychological" type stuff. 
