What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

[AV1611VET]

How you determined that "god" exists, how
you determined it's infinite and what quality
this special -order "type" of infinity makes it
Impossible to have any facts
(like that it exists or is infinite?) Is left out.

And how do you determine that God is an "it"?

What is your epistemological reference point?

 

[Ophiolite]

Adding lots of time doesn't somehow make the impossible possible.

Did I say it did? I don't know whether it is possible or not. I think, for a variety of substantive reasons, that it probably is. Equally, for some of those same reasons, I expect it to take a considerable time to achieve, requiring techniques and understanding we do not currently possess. Therefore, more time greatly increases the opportunity to demonstrate what you think impossible is, in fact, possible.

Your incredulity is unconvincing. Feel free to provide evidence that demonstrates the task is impossible. That would allow me to adapt my position and adopt yours. Go for it.

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

Grasshopper.

You got the joke! That's good!

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

Working overtime to eradicate that soul competency from our nature, are they?

Never heard this term before - even though I've read R. Torbet and many others! learn something new every day. Strange for someone whose Baptist ancestors go back in America to before Roger Williams. Kind of like obscure Baptist terms like Landmark Baptists, which most Baptists might never have heard of -

 

[dlamberth]

I believe the point being laboriously made is that God cleaned up to such an extent that He left no evidence of a flood.

And added age to boot... Thus the deception.

 

[dlamberth]

Are you referring to different ways to be infinite?

The mystical Beguine women of the Medieval time period when writing about their spiritual union with God often wrote about the infinite kissing the infinite. It's a point where all mental concepts of God had to be left behind.

 

[renniks]

You are avoiding the question. I suspect because you don't want to admit that this is a very real possibility and the fear associated with doing so - specifically, having to admit there is a very real potential that your WV is wrong. I get it, to have to acknowledge that everything you believe from perhaps when you were little is wrong, is very disconcerting

Oh good grief. Who gave you a license to psychologically analyze me? I could do the same to you, but that's not what the topic is about.

 

[renniks]

Your incredulity is unconvincing. Feel free to provide evidence that demonstrates the task is impossible. That would allow me to adapt my position and adopt yours. Go for it.

If it can't be demonstrated, it didn't happen. The onus is on you proving it's possible.

 

[Astrid]

The mystical Beguine women of the Medieval time period when writing about their spiritual union with God often wrote about the infinite kissing the infinite. It's a point where all mental concepts of God had to be left behind.

Fine I suppose in some poetic way.

The claim seemed to have been that the hypothetical
Infinite nature of God makes it impossible to have any facts
about same.
How that makes sense seems to be lost in the snark and
general fog of aggravated obscurantism.[/QUOTE]

 

[AV1611VET]

And added age to boot... Thus the deception.

Well if raisin bread can deceive you, I imagine embedded age would.

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

Oh good grief. Who gave you a license to psychologically analyze me? I could do the same to you, but that's not what the topic is about.

It would help if you could offer some rational reasons why these possibilities couldn't happen or are improbable to happen. I'm open to hearing your ideas, insights or knowledge provided they don't rely on silly arguments such as a god deceiving us or removing all the evidence (this type of god is not worth considering) - "this type of strategy is fine for a child who doesn't know what else do say but for a grown up... not acceptable - "Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men". These types of arguments can basically make anything we want happen and feed into all our natural biases and prejudices.

 

[AV1611VET]

It would help if you could offer some rational reasons why these possibilities couldn't happen or are improbable to happen. I'm open to hearing your ideas, insights or knowledge provided they don't rely on silly arguments such as a god deceiving us or removing all the evidence (this type of god is not worth considering) - "this type of strategy is fine for a child who doesn't know what else do say but for a grown up... not acceptable - "Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men". These types of arguments can basically make anything we want happen and feed into all our natural biases and prejudices.

Here's a hypothetical, just for you:

If you could go back in time and take everything you know now with you, would you have gotten on the Ark?

(Please start your answer out with either a YES or NO, so I can decide if I want to read the rest or not. Thanks.)

 

[dlamberth]

Well if raisin bread can deceive you, I imagine embedded age would.

It's what the Earth is actually showing us is where Embedded Age/Maturity is deceptive and not truthful. And if that's a thing of God, as is your take, that makes God deceptive and not truthful. God, as I know and understand Truth, is unable to deceive.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's what the Earth is actually showing us is where Embedded Age/Maturity is deceptive and not truthful.

And let me guess.

The earth is showing you it grew old, not came into existence old; is that correct?

 

[VirOptimus]

And let me guess.

The earth is showing you it grew old, not came into existence old; is that correct?

There is no such thing as ”coming into existance old”. Old by definition means its, well old, and that time has passed.

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

Fine I suppose in some poetic way.

The claim seemed to have been that the hypothetical
Infinite nature of God makes it impossible to have any facts
about same.
How that makes sense seems to be lost in the snark and
general fog of aggravated obscurantism.

[/QUOTE]

I don't see anything necessarily obscurantic about these things. Do we really understand electricity beyond how we describe it with mathematical equations such as with quantum electrodynamics? We don't even understand the "how" exactly for flight (although I believe this issue will be resolved at some point with an updated scientific understanding)- see Scientific American from a couple of years ago. We can understand the "how" through science but do we really understand the "why".

In the Christian way of thinking, what you are trying to call facts are called beliefs. Christians would say that if all you can conceive of is the world in terms of "how" and don't allow for faith, then you can never get any understanding in terms of "why". When science moves from insisting on methodological naturalism (which I think is a good thing for everyone including religions) to metaphysical naturalism, then it is no longer just science.

The Beguines have some of the most profound and insightful thinking in all of Christian mysticism and mysticism in general. Whether you agree with it or not, it predates what we today we call modern depth psychology by hundreds of years. Remarkable.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no such thing as ”coming into existance old”. Old by definition means its, well old, and that time has passed.

There are some fourteen definitions of the word "old."

 

[VirOptimus]

There are some fourteen definitions of the word "old."

Semantics is all you have.

 

[dlamberth]

And let me guess.

The earth is showing you it grew old, not came into existence old; is that correct?

Yes.

To put the ominous on God for an old age looking Earth that is believed to actually be a young earth makes God out to be untruthful. That's half of the point. The other side of the point I'm making is that the nature of Truth means that God is unable to be deceitful. So what we see in the Earth is what it is and Embedded Age/Maturity can take a Hike.

 

[dlamberth]

The Beguines have some of the most profound and insightful thinking in all of Christian mysticism and mysticism in general. [/QUOTE]
I absolutely love the Beguines!!!