What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

[Bertrand Russell White]

We can't fully describe a sugar cube either.
So.....?

Are there any descriptive words at all, for god?
What is their source? Are they just name up?
At best, all gods but one are made up.

Speaking of which thats a Lotta stuff there that
you just made up. How do you know, for one,
that something which may not even exist is
"infinite"? (Hint; it's a made up fact)

If we had a half dozen that were even partly true
we'd be way ahead. Like, it would indicate
there at least is a god. Surely some god could find a way
to reveal that much.

Can you try to condense your posts?

Dumb them down you mean?

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not very often that I point out that someone is making a risible argument and they agree with me...

What is a "risible argument"?

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

I thought I just said I don't need science lessons from you,
and you are at it again

My double major BSc was bio / geol

If you dont want to answer a question you could just say so.

Your post indicated that you were ignorant of the history. If you are familiar with it that is fine. You could have been more clear. A lot of what you are saying has no relevance to what I was discussing.

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

We can't fully describe a sugar cube either.
So.....?

Are there any descriptive words at all, for god?
What is their source? Are they just name up?
At best, all gods but one are made up.

Lots of religious people would say "yes". Holy books. Not true - there could be multiple gods yet to be discovered.

Speaking of which thats a Lotta stuff there that
you just made up. How do you know, for one,
that something which may not even exist is
"infinite"? (Hint; it's a made up fact)

You seem to be assuming from the start there is no existence - which may or may not be true. A statement like "it's a made up fact" is nonsensical. Facts exist, if it is made up it is not a fact.

If we had a half dozen that were even partly true
we'd be way ahead. Like, it would indicate
there at least is a god. Surely some god could find a way
to reveal that much.

False. Is something is described by an infinity you are not further ahead. Let us say that something (finite thing) is described by 10 facts and you know of 6, then you know 60% about it. So you partly know it. At 9 you know 90% or mostly everything about it. However, even if you knew a million facts about an infinite being you know nothing about it.

Can you try to condense your posts?

 

[Bradskii]

What is a "risible argument"?

The ones you make.

 

[Frank Robert]

And that in itself is a lie; since God is life Who created life.

So it's life from [the] Life.

They need to come up with another term.

An honest one.

Meaning that's not going to happen.

Fancy way of saying that they haven't been able to show it's possible.

The ancient Greeks believed Zeus was responsible for lightening and thunder. They were correct for thinking that something caused lightening and thunder but incorrect that Zeus caused it. Today, scientists are honest about not knowing the cause of life but unlike the ancient Greeks they do not say: "we don't know therefore God." Scientists use the tools they have to search for the answers.

 

[AV1611VET]

The ancient Greeks believed Zeus was responsible for lightening and thunder.

Okay.

They were correct for thinking that something caused lightening and thunder but incorrect that Zeus caused it.

Really?

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Today, scientists are honest about not knowing the cause of life ...

That's their fault.

I have a mentally-challenged nephew that can tell them the Cause of life.

But that aside, that shouldn't give scientists the license to call it "abiogenesis."

That's like saying, "I don't know what morals are, so everything is amoral."

... but unlike the ancient Greeks they do not say: "we don't know therefore God."

Scientists would make that excuse as a mockery.

The fact of the matter is, the ancient Greeks knew more about Zeus than scientists would like to think.

Scientists use the tools they have to search for the answers.

Ya -- like trying to pick a lock with a toothpick to see what's behind the door.

 

[renniks]

If it wasn't possible, the predictions being currently tested, wouldn't be testable now, would they?

Does a prediction somehow prove something is possible?

 

[renniks]

1. If you were shown distant planets in a telescope that clearly showed all major stages of abiogenesis would you concede at least that life from non-life might be possible on earth (from simple chemical structures to simple life)? If not why not?

But I haven't been shown that. You might as well ask if I'd believe in God if I saw the creation in action. It's all supposing, not science.

 

[Astrid]

"...lots of God's yet to be discoverd"
So at least one has been discovered.
You know that, or are just saying it?

You assume there is a God, I don't believe there is.
(You missed where I mentioned the possibility though)
I consider all facts re God to be made up, so I
should have put the word "fact" in quotation marks.
Terrible omission, but you nailed it.

I pointed out that God could find a way that his presence
could be detected-you say false, so there goes omnipotence.

Based on your assumption of his existence and (the
"FACT" that He is infinite, we get another "fact" that
it's impossible to know anything about him.

This has deep I plications for lo, we learn from
you that 10=0, and that it is impossible to know
anything about PI or the universe, if that latter
is in fact infinite.

Or do you figure there are divers species of infinite
with unique properties?

 

[Frank Robert]

Okay.Really?

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.That's their fault.

Are you claiming it was the Greeks fault for believing in their Gods?

I have a mentally-challenged nephew that can tell them the Cause of life.

Of course he can based on his family beliefs.

But that aside, that shouldn't give scientists the license to call it "abiogenesis."

Abiogenesis simply means the study of origins of life. My guess is that you find it offensive because you believe you already have the answer so there is no need to study the origins.

That's like saying, "I don't know what morals are, so everything is amoral."Scientists would make that excuse as a mockery.

You have a weird perspective on morality.

The fact of the matter is, the ancient Greeks knew more about Zeus than scientists would like to think.Ya -- like trying to pick a lock with a toothpick to see what's behind the door.

The main thing to know about Zeus is that he never resided on Mount Olympus or anywhere else.

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

But I haven't been shown that. You might as well ask if I'd believe in God if I saw the creation in action. It's all supposing, not science.

You are avoiding the question. I suspect because you don't want to admit that this is a very real possibility and the fear associated with doing so - specifically, having to admit there is a very real potential that your WV is wrong. I get it, to have to acknowledge that everything you believe from perhaps when you were little is wrong, is very disconcerting. The things I outline above are not just imaginative possibilities. There is a very real possibility that some of these things could happen in the near future especially as science and technology continues to rapidly advance. If I were you, I would prepare myself for more disruptions to your WV. Science is making the idea of the soul obsolete with advances in neuroscience and most people in this field no longer believe in traditional dualist ideas of the mind. This will have as great an effect on religious ideas as did Galileo and the telescope.

 

[AV1611VET]

You assume there is a God, I don't believe there is. I consider all facts re God to be made up,

Then what's keeping you from going full-fledged atheist?

If all facts about God are made up, what idea are you holding that keeps the door open to the possibility of His existence?

Could it be that He wasn't kidding, when He said,

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Give in and listen to that still small voice within you. That sixth sense that God gave you to be able to contemplate Him in nature and the Word. That tugging. That knocking at the door of your heart. That conviction of the Holy Spirit.

Before it's too late.

 

[AV1611VET]

The main thing to know about Zeus is that he never resided on Mount Olympus or anywhere else.

I take it you don't believe in fallen angels?

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

"...lots of God's yet to be discoverd"
So at least one has been discovered.
You know that, or are just saying it?

We don't know the future. There is always a possibility a god (or anything else for all we know) will express itself.

You assume there is a God, - You are putting words in my mouth, I never said or implied that I don't believe there is. Of-course everyone has a right to their opinion
(You missed where I mentioned the possibility though) No I didn't
I consider all facts re God to be made up, -Are you stating this is a logically and scientifically deducible fact or just your own opinion? so I
should have put the word "fact" in quotation marks.
Terrible omission, but you nailed it. You are not real good at sarcasm, what did you get as a mark in languages?

I pointed out that God could find a way that his presence
could be detected-you say false, so there goes omnipotence. You are employing a typically naïve logical positivistic type argument. What you are trying to argue does not follow. It is as poorly structured logically and philosophically as a fundamentalist religious persons arguments against science. You just seem like a provocateur someone who wants to say any old thing, no matter how off the wall to pick an argument.

Based on your assumption of his existence and (the
"FACT" that He is infinite, we get another "fact" that
it's impossible to know anything about him. You don't seem to be aware of how an argument is conducted within a frame of reference of another's world view. Which is what I'm employing here. I'm not assuming for myself anything on god's existence or non-existence, just discussing within the context and framework of traditional Christian theology. I assume in your training you have learned some calculus. With a function with a finite numerator, if the denominator goes to infinity, the functions value becomes zero. Any knowledge about an existent or non-existent god can be thought of as the numerator compared to all the possible knowledge the denominator. By the definition within Christian theology the denominator is infinite, so percentage knowledge of god is zero. This is straightforward stuff Astrid.

If this doesn't seem clear, think about it, you'll get it.

This has deep I plications for lo, we learn from
you that 10=0, Where did this come from??? You really seem to have problems following a straightforward argument. Do you understand English - and I'm serious in asking this? and that it is impossible to know
anything about PI Ditto from above - my explanation was quite straightforward, you seem to read into things the wrong meaning or as I say above, are just a provocateur or the universe Yes can't know anything ultimately about the universe - ever heard of QM and the uncertainty principle???, if that latter
is in fact infinite.

Or do you figure there are divers species of infinite
with unique properties?

You obviously know very little about the infinite if your last statement is serious. There are many types of infinity. Hopefully you have heard of the Real and Natural Numbers in your scientific training (this is what real sarcasm looks like btw)? Have you? Natural numbers are a countable infinity and Real numbers are an uncountable infinity. There ends your lesson for today glasshopper.

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

Then what's keeping you from going full-fledged atheist?

If all facts about God are made up, what idea are you holding that keeps the door open to the possibility of His existence?

Could it be that He wasn't kidding, when He said,

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Give in and listen to that still small voice within you. That sixth sense that God gave you to be able to contemplate Him in nature and the Word. That tugging. That knocking at the door of your heart. That conviction of the Holy Spirit.

Before it's too late.

Good point! Poop or get off the fence as they say.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science is making the idea of the soul obsolete with advances in neuroscience and most people in this field no longer believe in traditional dualist ideas of the mind.

Working overtime to eradicate that soul competency from our nature, are they?

 

[AV1611VET]

There ends your lesson for today glasshopper.

Grasshopper.

 

[AV1611VET]

Good point! Poop or get off the fence as they say.

Science can lead to mental constipation.

 

[Astrid]

You obviously know very little about the infinite if your last statement is serious. There are many types of infinity. Hopefully you have heard of the Real and Natural Numbers in your scientific training (this is what real sarcasm looks like btw)? Have you? Natural numbers are a countable infinity and Real numbers are an uncountable infinity. There ends your lesson for today glasshopper.

Are you referring to different ways to be infinite?

You made the apparently serious statement
that it's impossible to have any facts about
" god" because it's infinite, then you give
an example of an infinite sets about which
facts are readily available.

How you determined that "god" exists, how
you determined it's infinite and what quality
this special -order "type" of infinity makes it
Impossible to have any facts
(like that it exists or is infinite?) Is left out.