What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

[dlamberth]

Having a wife.

They do write about things like Spiritual Marriage with Christ.
It was a time when Courtly Literature was the thing. And that had a way of allowing these women to express their spiritual experiences in the same manor.

 

[AV1611VET]

They do write about things like Spiritual Marriage with Christ.
It was a time when Courtly Literature was the thing. And that had a way of allowing these women to express their spiritual experiences in the same manor.

I somehow don't think they would accept you into their fold.

 

[dlamberth]

I somehow don't think they would accept you into their fold.

That's probably because you have no clue of my spiritual path or of the Beguines for that matter.

 

[dlamberth]

I somehow don't think they would accept you into their fold.

Also, I think your looking at it backwards. Being mystics, I have no doubt that they would accept me. The Beguines, and other mystics for that matter, were not a club where one had to pass an acceptance test. The test would be in myself and if I wanted to follow the intensity of their spiritual world.

 

[Astrid]

You are simply a provocateur. You like to argue but aren't really interested in understanding or learning new.

Good, you are reduced to name calling.

 

[Ophiolite]

(Please start your answer out with either a YES or NO, so I can decide if I want to read the rest or not. Thanks.)

Which of these does that mean:

• If you answer Yes, I won't read it.
• If you answer Yes, I will read it.
• If you answer No, I won't read it
• If you answer No, I will read it.
• If you answer Yes, or No I will read it
• If you don't answer Yes, or No I won't read it, because I require an executive summary.
• Other, please specify.

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

That the universe is 6k old with added age.

Thanks. I didn't know that. I think you talked about semantics previously - definitely an abuse of language. YEC and dishonest too. 6K + a couple of year, 6K + 4.599999994 billion year, or whatever??

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

Good, you are reduced to name calling.

QED!!

 

[AV1611VET]

Being mystics, I have no doubt that they would accept me.

Let's set the record straight, shall we?

The Beguines were Christian lay religious orders that were active in Western Europe, particularly in the Low Countries, in the 13th–16th centuries. Their members lived in semi-monastic communities but did not take formal religious vows. That is, although they promised not to marry "as long as they lived as Beguines," to quote one of the early Rules, they were free to leave at any time.

SOURCE

Translation: No wives allowed.

 

[dlamberth]

You guys are good when that scientific method is on your side; but let it vindicate a Christian, and it can take a hike, can't it?

To question something that isn't even a Christian belief, that is Embodied Age/Maturity of the Earth, makes a person a Christian martyr.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which of these does that mean:

• If you answer Yes, I won't read it.
• If you answer Yes, I will read it.
• If you answer No, I won't read it
• If you answer No, I will read it.
• If you answer Yes, or No I will read it
• If you don't answer Yes, or No I won't read it, because I require an executive summary.
• Other, please specify.

I read it.

 

[dlamberth]

Let's set the record straight, shall we?

SOURCE

Translation: No wives allowed.

What's the point your making?

 

[AV1611VET]

What's the point your making?

Post 3072 please.

 

[renniks]

It would help if you could offer some rational reasons why these possibilities couldn't happen or are improbable to happen. I'm open to hearing your ideas, insights or knowledge provided they don't rely on silly arguments such as a god deceiving us or removing all the evidence (this type of god is not worth considering) - "this type of strategy is fine for a child who doesn't know what else do say but for a grown up... not acceptable - "Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men". These types of arguments can basically make anything we want happen and feed into all our natural biases and prejudices.

You have to hear ideas about why something can't come from nothing? Because we've never observed it happening isn't good enough? I have no problem with Life coming from non life but only if there is a life giver involved. If we did observe this happening on some other planet, it only means but this is a method God decided to use to create on that planet.
Otherwise it seems to me you're doing exactly what everyone accuses theologians of doing, saying we should take what you loosely call " science" on blind faith.

 

[renniks]

This is just an argument from ignorance. It's not a rational position.

It's akin to a toddler hiding their head under a blanket thinking, "if I can't see them, they can't see me."

Ok, then all athiests are operating from ignorance.

 

[pitabread]

Ok, then all athiests are operating from ignorance.

You can keep trying to change the subject, but that's not going to work.

 

[Ophiolite]

I read it.

Apparently you didn't read mine, since you haven't answered it. Would you do so now please.

 

[Bradskii]

And added age to boot... Thus the deception.

Indeed. And now having the read the last umpteen posts I'm wondering why the discussion continues. If we met a guy in a bar who regalled us with nonsensical statements then we'd do our best to avoid him. But in forums, we make a point of interacting. And I have an uncomfortable theory as to why that is (and it includes me as well).

I don't know about you, but if I read someone who is obviously a couple of pay grades above me regarding intelligence then it pays me to shut up and listen. Adult in the room, Bradskii. You might learn something. Pay attention! But if I read something incredibly dumb then it has the effect of making me feel smarter than I actually am. So there's a sense of wanting to show off by reacting to it. And I know that I'm guilty of this.

A good debate is like a clean fight under Marquis of Queensbury rules. You take a few shots and land a couple and there's a degree of respect between the two opponents. It's good sport. Shooting fish in a barrel isn't what I call sport. But we all seem to enjoy it.

Just thought I'd mention it is all.

 

[pitabread]

But in forums, we make a point of interacting. And I have an uncomfortable theory as to why that is (and it includes me as well).

Arguments and upvotes!

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

You have to hear ideas about why something can't come from nothing? Because we've never observed it happening isn't good enough? I have no problem with Life coming from non life but only if there is a life giver involved. If we did observe this happening on some other planet, it only means but this is a method God decided to use to create on that planet.
Otherwise it seems to me you're doing exactly what everyone accuses theologians of doing, saying we should take what you loosely call " science" on blind faith.

Couple of points:

1. I haven't ever been convinced on the "something coming from nothing arguments". When physicists use terms like something from nothing such as Lawrence Krauss, they are not talking about "nothing" in the traditional sense. Quantum theory allows for fluctuations in the vacuum to produce matter.
2. Strictly speaking you are right? There is no way that past events could be 100% probable based even on like planets to earth being observed to have chemical evolution going on. It would, however, more likely than not to have happened on earth if such is observed. However, unlike lots of skeptics, atheists and agnostics I don't believe that lab work by intelligent humans to produce complex components of life or life in lab conclusively proves that evolution occurred on a primitive earth. However, I wouldn't just equate this with blind faith like some religious people have.