Hal A Peno
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I'm saying that Preterism is bad news.....[It] is evil in that it's a complete denial of God's foreknowledge of latter times, is in denial of entire books of prophecy like Revelation, entire chapters like Mathew 24, and hundreds of verses. It is "incoherently illogical" and borderline ANTICHRIST.
No worries friend. I'm happy to help clear things up however I can.Forgive me if I'm mistaken, I may have misread you OR mistaking you with something someone else was saying.
All I know is that in the OT the Day of the Lord is always used when prophecy is or will be fulfilled, but in the NT every verse that has the term in it, as far as I know, refers to the consummation of the age.
In Isaiah 13 he speaks of the Day of the LORD in a prophetic sense knowing that judgment day for Babylon was coming, but also that the final fulfillment of that Day comes at the return of Jesus.
Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate; and He will destroy its sinners from it. For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be darkened in its going forth, and the moon will not cause its light to shine. "I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will halt the arrogance of the proud, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold, a man more than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth will move out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts and in the day of His fierce anger. It shall be as the hunted gazelle, and as a sheep that no man takes up; every man will turn to his own people, and everyone will flee to his own land. Everyone who is found will be thrust through, and everyone who is captured will fall by the sword. Their children also will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished."
I don't have time to fully respond to you post but...
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
That's not such a good translation. It's more accurate to say it like the interlinear.
"To be occuring in switness....
meaning things will pass swiftly. Take a look...
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev1.pdf
Go back to school, learn what partial preterism is, and report back to me. If you still think that believing in fulfilled prophecy is partial preterism, you need a mentor.
I suggest you do a search engine review of the Biblical meaning of the Day of the Lord.
Quasar92
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
I suggest you search the Bible itself for the meaning of the Day of the Lord, and leave the commentary to others.
The Day of the Lord is the coming of the Lord with all His saints, to gather His people together, at the resurrection and rapture, in which the antichrist and the wicked are destroyed.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:5
Key Verse's:
- that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
- we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them
- For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
- when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them
JLB
There are times in the OT when the Day of the Lord is mentioned and it refers to a day of vengeance etc. and fulfillment of an OT prophecy
but it's almost always coupled with the final Day and consummation of the age.
What age?In every instance in the NT it implies the closing of the age.
Matthew 11:13-14 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John, and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come.
Matthew 17:11-13 He answered, “Elijah does come, and he will restore all things. But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of Man will certainly suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them of John the Baptist.
Luke 1:16-17 And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God, and he will go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready for the Lord a people prepared.”
Are you saying he came AFTER it?.Yes, I've heard this answer before but for me it does not ad up. I'll tell you why and it's a simple reason. John the Baptist never came before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
So either our idea of the great and terrible day is wrong which is the day of the Lord and we aren't expecting any judgment to come or God must send a prophet.
Or unless His Word said something wrong.
Are you saying he came AFTER it?.
Yeah, Since His word is pure and true, I'm going to go with your idea of "the day of the Lord" is wrong.