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Featured What is the Day of the Lord?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Jul 28, 2017.

  1. Erik Nelson

    Erik Nelson Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I think that NT references to "the Day of the Lord coming as a Thief in the Night" (my paraphrase) echo the language of Job 24:14.

    Would anyone else acknowledge the parallel, and (if so, then hence) the presumable reference ? I.e. that St. Paul (1 Thessalonians 5, written c.52AD) and St. Peter (2 Peter 3, written c.64AD) were wittingly alluding to Job 24:14 (amongst many other OT passages) ?

    Trying to help visualize this discussion, I think that the pair of phrases "Day of the Lord" and "Thief in the Night" are clearly linked... and that each of those, in turn, separately (but relatedly) alludes to its own separate (but related) set of OT passages. I inexpertly perceive that most of the discussion is focused on the former, "Day of the Lord". Whereas Job 24:14 "sneaks in the back door" by being an allusion of the latter, "Thief in the Night", instead. On the grounds that the topic of discussion is the Biblically-prophesied complete & utter extermination of "all the inhabitants of the Earth" (the whole Biosphere, as it were) then I should like to discuss all angles of the issue.
     
  2. keras

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    The prophesies that say the inhabitants will be completely destroyed, Hosea 4:3, Jeremiah 7:34, Joel 1:15-20, +, refer only to the holy Land, not the whole earth. This is proved by the many prophesies about the world after the Lord's terrible Day of wrath; the Sixth Seal devastation to the holy Land area, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 17:1-14, Zephaniah 2:4-5 and a reset of the worlds civilization. Luke 21:25-26
     
  3. BABerean2

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    You are on the right track, since the timing of the resurrection event at the end of 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 is found at the beginning of chapter 5 on "the day of the Lord", when He "comes as a thief".
    The words "we" and "sleep" in 1 Thessalonians 5:10 prove that chapter 5 is connected to chapter 4.


    This connects the event to 2 Peter 3:10-13, which is when the present earth is destroyed by fire and the New Heavens and the New Earth is brought forth.
    Peter was clearly looking for the New Heavens and the New Earth.
    Therefore, I am looking for the same thing.


    It also connects the event to Revelation 16:15-16, where He comes "as a thief" at Armageddon.

    John the Baptist said that Christ would baptize us with the Holy Ghost and with "fire".
    We may end up like the three Hebrew men in the fire, with the fourth man in the furnace, who was Christ.
    Everyone who does not belong to Him will be consumed by the fire.



    Based on 2 Thessalonians chapter 1, He returns in "flaming fire", at His Second Coming.

    2Th 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 

    2Th 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 


    2Th 1:9  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 

    2Th 1:10  When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 


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  4. Erik Nelson

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    I'm grateful for the reply :)

    I do understand that Zephaniah prophetically describes the destruction of the "eretz" (1:18), the very same "eretz" which God created in Genesis 1. Insofar as that "eretz" (Gen 1) means our entire planet and its whole land surface, then naturally one could conclude that the "eretz" in Zephaniah (1:18) refers to the same noun as the "eretz" in Genesis (1) ? The very same "eretz" which the Lord in Heaven claims to have created (Gen 1) God in Heaven will actually in fact destroy (Zeph 1:18) on Doomsday, which will stealth up upon humanity undetected, and unleash a planet-boiling firestorm.
     
  5. Erik Nelson

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    I'm grateful for the reply :)

    I do understand that Zephaniah prophetically describes the destruction of the "eretz" (1:18), the very same "eretz" which God created in Genesis 1. Insofar as that "eretz" (Gen 1) means our entire planet and its whole land surface, then naturally one could conclude that the "eretz" in Zephaniah (1:18) refers to the same noun as the "eretz" in Genesis (1) ? The very same "eretz" which the Lord in Heaven claims to have created (Gen 1) God in Heaven will actually in fact destroy (Zeph 1:18) on Doomsday, which will stealth up upon humanity undetected, and unleash a planet-boiling firestorm.
     
  6. Erik Nelson

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    I'm grateful for the reply :)

    I do understand that Zephaniah prophetically describes the destruction of the "eretz" (1:18), the very same "eretz" which God created in Genesis 1. Insofar as that "eretz" (Gen 1) means our entire planet and its whole land surface, then naturally one could conclude that the "eretz" in Zephaniah (1:18) refers to the same noun as the "eretz" in Genesis (1) ? The very same "eretz" which the Lord in Heaven claims to have created (Gen 1) God in Heaven will actually in fact destroy (Zeph 1:18) on Doomsday, which will stealth up upon humanity undetected, and unleash a planet-boiling firestorm.
     
  7. Erik Nelson

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    Thanks again for your reply also :)

    Yes, I certainly agree, that fire is a central theme of all Doomsday imagery, e.g. "fire came down from heaven" (Rev 20) to consume those opposing (what I interpret to mean) the "true Spiritual structure & edifice" comprising the truly faithful collectively visualized as a "camp" and "city", i.e. the Spiritually-true Church visualized as a "Spiritual Temple" in a "Spiritual Jerusalem" (cp. "beloved" [agapao] in Rev 1:5, 3:9, 12:11, all referring to faithful believing communities all Spiritually united as the Spiritually-true Church). Obviously, that echoes the Second Coming imagery "in flaming fire" (2 Thess 1).

    Meanwhile, from 1 Thess 4, I would naively picture the faithful being somehow "extracted off-world" into the "air" as a firestorm of falling meteoroids & columns of rising smoke engulf the world below, all told of sufficient impact intensity to even boil away Earth's oceans and expose the now-barren seabed. Such that "all not in Him will be consumed by the fire(s)" (paraphrase). Gives me the impression of some sort of "air lift" of the "faithful & true" (as it were) amidst an "orbital bombardment" of the planet below.
     
  8. Erik Nelson

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    I'd like to note here 1 Cor 15:50+ which prima facie describes the "Rapture event", at the Second Coming on Doomsday, as some sort of transformation to a perfected, immortal state.

    As well as Amos 5:18-20, which prima facie states that Doomsday will have no bright side (??).
     
  9. Hal A Peno

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    I agree with your post, but I question this...

    "On the grounds that the topic of discussion is the Biblically-prophesied complete & utter extermination of all the inhabitants of the Earth."
    I'm not sure what you mean.
     
  10. Erik Nelson

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    Just saying that Job 24:14 paints a frightful picture, cp. Amos 5:18-20
     
  11. keras

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    This is wrong.
    The 3 main descriptions of Jesus' Return do not mention fire at all. Rev 19:11-21, Matthew 24:30, Zechariah 14:3-5
    It is not His Return that Paul is talking about in 2 Thess1, but the Lord's Day of wrath by fire. Proved by how only those faithful Christians will see Him, nit all the world as at the Return.

    Erik N. You need to gain an understanding of what God does plan for His creation. It isn't total destruction; what would be the point of everything? Like kid building a sandcastle, then kicking it over? No, the world will continue forever.
     
  12. Erik Nelson

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    So you are saying that Rev 19 = Second Coming ? Which passages apply to Rev 19, and which others to Rev 20? Could you cite a few for each of those, to give me a feel for which is which ?
     
  13. Erik Nelson

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    So you are saying that Rev 19 = Second Coming ? Which passages apply to Rev 19, and which others to Rev 20? Could you cite a few for each of those, to give me a feel for which is which ?
     
  14. Erik Nelson

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    So you are saying that Rev 19 = Second Coming ? Which passages apply to Rev 19, and which others to Rev 20? Could you cite a few for each of those, to give me a feel for which is which ?
     
  15. keras

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    What you are asking, is that I write a book on the subject of Jesus' Return.
    I have already done that, actually in over 500 short articles, using and explaining just about every Bible prophecy. All free to read at: logostelos.info

    But just briefly, it is quite plain that descriptions like Amos 5:18-20 cannot refer to the Return of Jesus in glory. There will be the Lord's Day of wrath before the Return. At least 7 + years before. It is the Soxth Seal, just as we are told. Revelation 6:12-17
     
  16. parousia70

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    There have been MULTIPLE day of the lord events in Israels History.
    The prophets commonly used that term and it's synonyms to describe the event of God's Real time Judgements upon nations.

    The desolation of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was a past "Day of the Lord." After it happened, the prophet Jeremiah tells us:

    Lamentations 1:12
    behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.

    Lamentations 2:1
    How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger

    Lamentations 2:21
    The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.

    Lamentations 2:22
    Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained


    Note also that it was God who did the killing! Did anyone SEE Jehovah kill people? Was the prophet lying? Of course not. This is how the prophets spoke.

    Furthermore, Ezekiel had foretold of this same Day of the Lord against Jerusalem which took place in the 500s BC, saying:

    Ezekiel 7:19
    They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of Jehovah: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.

    Ezekiel 13:2-5
    Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of Jehovah.

    The prophet Zephaniah also calls the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians "the Day of the Lord."

    Zephaniah 1:1 - 1:7

    The word of Yahweh which came to Zephaniah, the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, in the days of Josiah, the son of Amon, king of Judah. I will utterly sweep away everything off of the surface of the earth, says Yahweh. I will sweep away man and animal. I will sweep away the birds of the sky, the fish of the sea, and the heaps of rubble with the wicked. I will cut off man from the surface of the earth, says Yahweh. I will stretch out my hand against Judah, and against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem. I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place: the name of the idolatrous and pagan priests, those who worship the host of the sky on the housetops, those who worship and swear by Yahweh and also swear by Malcam, those who have turned back from following Yahweh, and those who haven't sought Yahweh nor inquired after him. Be silent at the presence of the Lord Yahweh, for the day of Yahweh is at hand. For Yahweh has prepared a sacrifice. He has consecrated his guests.


    Folks, there we have the classic "Day of the Lord" in scripture. The prophets speak of Jehovah who comes down and does a whole host of "physical" things. Yet did any one SEE Yahweh do these things? Was Zephaniah lying? This scripture goes on all the way to the end of Zephaniah chapter two, and be sure to note that the judgments that ensue upon the other surrounding nations are also a past Day of Yahweh event (1:14; 2:2-3).

    So, the destruction of Jerusalem in the 500s BC is just one example of MANY past day of the LORD events.
     
  17. Hal A Peno

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    Wow parousia, if you conclude that those verses are the same as the day of the Lord, all I can tell you I'm not interested in debunking it, you did all by yourself. You don't even need a hermeneutic to debunk the profanity you've just posted. Most people, even young Christians, should be able to see that you're a heretic.
    Only if you say he was. Those things shouldn't be said.....
     
  18. jgr

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    Here's another one:

    Psalm 18

    6 In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.

    7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.

    8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

    9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.

    10 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.

    11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.

    12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.

    13 The Lord also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.

    14 Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.

    15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

    16 He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters.

    17 He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me.


    This is an account of the Psalmist's personal deliverance that occurred at that time. Notice that God came down (v. 9). If that wasn't a Day of the Lord, what was?
     
  19. Hal A Peno

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  20. keras

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    A bald statement like this, of pure unsupported opinion, is not just useless, but actually contrary to our understanding of what the Prophetic Word is trying to inform us.
    Psalms 18:8-15 is also repeated in 2 Samuel 22:8-16. David, a prophet, wrote it, but what he describes didn't happen to him and has never happened yet. The method of how these disasters come in this prophecy, is allegorical, but the results of the earth effects can and will happen. Proved by the over 100 other prophesies that all together give the full picture of the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath.

    Re Islam, there are a couple of verses in Ezekiel that can only be about them:
    Ezekiel 25:15-17 Because the Philistines have resorted to revenge....with spiteful contempt, destroying in order to satisfy their age old enmity......
    Ezekiel 35:5-9 ...you have kept up an ancient feud and given the Israelites over to the sword......You are guilty of blood, therefore I shall make blood your destiny....I shall cover the hills and valleys with the slain......
     
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