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Featured What is the Day of the Lord?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Jul 28, 2017.

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    In all intelligent discussions of end-time events and the coming snatching away of believers (the rapture), the student of Bible prophecy faces the central question of : What is meant by the term, the Day of the Lord? This article is meant as an introductory discourse on that topic, to view the Day of the Lord from all sides and arrive at a conclusion based solely on the evidence presented in the Word of God, the Bible.

    Many have proposed that the Day of the Lord is the entire 70th week of Daniel or the final 7 years until Shiloh (the Messiah) comes to establish the kingdom of God on the earth. Others have posited that the Day of the Lord is the millennial period or reign of the Messiah in Jerusalem. Outstanding teachers such as Hal Lindsey, have stated that although they believe that the Day of the Lord is the 7 year period, there is ample evidence that it is something else, and thus he concludes that they don't yet have sufficient understanding from God to know exactly the full meaning of the term. Finally, there are other noted teachers like Marvin Rosenthal, Robert Van Kampen and this author who have spent years studying the subject and believe that the Bible does show clearly that the Day of the Lord is a specified period of time within the 7 year end-times period, called the Wrath of God. Let us examine the evidence.

    The Day of the Lord is tied together with the changing of believers in the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 to 5:1-10. Notice that those alive when Christ comes (4:13-18) shall be changed instantly into their immortal bodies when they are caught up to the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (also 1 Corinthians 15:51-55). The text goes on in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10, to say that believers are not to worry that the Day of the Lord has come like a thief and overtaken us, because believers are not in darkness, that the Day of the Lord should come upon us; and goes on to say that, "God has not destined us for wrath in the Day of the Lord, but for salvation."

    Is the Day of the Lord the time of the wrath of God on the earth? It certainly is clear in Zephaniah 1:14-15

    Near is the great Day of the Lord, near and coming quickly; listen, the Day of the Lord! In it the warrior cries out bitterly. A day of wrath is that day, a day of trouble and distress, a day of destruction and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of trumpet and battle cry ....


    Zephaniah 1:18
    Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them on the Day of the Lord's wrath; and all the earth will be devoured in the fire of His jealousy, for He will make a complete end, indeed a terrifying one, of all the inhabitants of the earth.

    The text from Zephaniah verifies that our understanding from 1 Thessalonians 4:13 to 5:10 is correct, namely, that the Day of the Lord is the period of God's wrath against the people of the earth. The text in Zephaniah disproves that the Day of the Lord is the millennium, since the millennial reign of Shiloh, the Messiah, will be a time of peace and prosperity for all the people of the earth, and the Zephaniah text states that the Day of the Lord is the time of God's wrath. Also note, that nothing in our study up until now prevents the pre-trib view from being correct, since the rapture precedes the time of wrath. However, is the Day of the Lord the entire 7 year period?

    Let's take a look at another rapture text in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, where the Epistle was written again to warn the church not to believe that the Day of the Lord had come. Verse 1 states that the topic is the rapture or gathering of believers to Jesus at His coming. Verse 2 warns them not to be disturbed or deceived that the Day of the Lord had come. Verse 3 states, "Let no one deceive you for it (the Day of the Lord) will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed." Verse 4 states that, "the man of lawlessness will be revealed by taking his seat in the Temple of God in Jerusalem and displaying himself as being God" (the abomination of desolation).

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
    Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him, that you may not be quickly shaken or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the Day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

    Note that now we are getting further understanding with regards to the Day of the Lord. In both 1st and 2nd Thessalonians, the church is told specifically that the snatching away of the church in the rapture is before the Day of the Lord begins. Additionally, in 2 Thessalonians, we observe that two signs must take place before the Day of the Lord begins; the apostasy or falling away, and the revealing of the antichrist in the abomination of desolation in the Temple in Jerusalem. We also have that piece of the puzzle from Zephaniah which states that the Day of the Lord is the time of God's wrath.

    herefore, it is absolutely impossible according to the Word of God for the Day of the Lord to be the entire 7 year period, since it cannot begin, and we are warned not to be deceived about it beginning, until after the abomination of desolation in the middle of the 7 year period. Those who are teaching that the Day of the Lord is the entire 7 year period are wrong! We also know that the Day of the Lord cannot be the millennium, because that period is not the time of wrath, but the time when God spreads the tabernacle of peace over the earth and spears are beaten into plowshares and swords into pruning hooks.

    When does the Day of the Lord begin and are there any signs? In the book of Joel, which is about the Great Tribulation period when the sacrifices and grain offerings are stopped in the Temple, we have the answer. Joel 2:31 states:
    The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and awesome Day of the Lord comes.

    The same statement reversed, is in Joel 3:14-15
    For the Day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon grow dark, and the stars lose their brightness.

    What is this sign that the sun is turned into darkness and the moon into blood, before the Day of the Lord comes?

    It is clearly enunciated in Revelation 6 as the 6th seal signs. Rev 6:12-13
    And I looked when He broke the 6th seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind.

    So the sign that the Day of the Lord is to begin, is after the abomination of desolation in the middle of the 7 year period, and after the 6th seal signs when the sun becomes black and the moon like blood. But is that the time when the wrath of God begins as we concluded earlier?

    Yes it is. Take a look a few verses down in Revelation 6:16-17
    ...and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come; and who is able to stand?"

    The obvious conclusion of those who accept the Bible as the Word of God is that the Day of the Lord starts in the latter half of the 7 year period, after the abomination of desolation; and that the Day of the Lord starts after an end-times apostasy. Also, the Day of the Lord starts after the 6th seal signs of the sun being turned into blackness and the moon into blood; and the Day of the Lord is the period of the wrath of God. These conclusions are incontrovertible, as long as you accept the Bible as truth. Therefore, all those teachings by others mentioned about the Day of the Lord, are in error, except as in agreement with our conclusions reached here.

    OK you say, but if the Day of the Lord is the period of God's wrath that begins at the 6th seal signs, what do you call the period prior to the Day of the Lord? Good question. The first half of the 7 year period is shown to be called the Tribulation period in Matthew 24, while the 2nd half of the 7 year period up to the 6th seal signs is called in Matthew 24, the Great Tribulation. The Tribulation and Great Tribulation periods are the time of the wrath of man, where nations and governments will persecute the people. A time when Babylon the Great headed by the antichrist will gain control over the economy of the earth. Again, the Tribulation and Great Tribulation problems are caused by man against man and as a consequence of the actions of people, it is not the unique time of punishment from God called the wrath of God.

    These results lead to many other conclusions. For instance, if the wrath of God starts after the 6th seal signs of the sun becoming black and the moon like blood, then the follow-on events called the 7 trumpet judgments and the 7 bowl judgments are the judgments of God. They are the means that He uses to pour out His wrath on the earth. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that if the 7th seal were the wrath of God, then the 7 seals would be called the seal judgments (which they are not).

    By Roy A. Reinhold

    ource: http://ad2004.com/prophecytruths/Articles/Prophecy/DayofLord.html



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    How did you let that one get by you?

    And precisely where do we see that? We've just been shown that it's apostasy, not rapture.
     
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    Most expositors are unaware of the translation history of 2 Thess.2:3 to say nothing of the publishers of most of the Bible translations. Since the alteration was mde 4 centuries ago.

    The Church is TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY, in verse 7, confirming DEPARTURE IN VERSE 3.

    Suppose you hazard a guess as to how the Church gets into heaven for the marriage, in Rev.19:7-8 nd then returns with Jesus , in His second coming to the earth, in verse 14. Confirming Zech.14:4-5. The day will NEVER come when you are able to alter the Scriptures to fit your belief system.


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    It's not "expositors" and "publishers" who perform the translations.

    It's "translators."

    And one of their primary duties and responsibilities is obviously to be aware of translation histories and related issues. They wouldn't be translators if they weren't.

    If you believe what you claim, then you could easily confirm it by contacting representatives of various Bible versions who could explain why the verse was rendered as it was. Presumably you'd start with the NASB, given its reputation for accuracy.

    We'd be most interested to hear the results.
     
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    It "ain't" the Church that's taken out of the way. The Church is never referred to in the masculine "he" (2 Thess. 2:7). The most common presumption was/is that it was/is the Holy Spirit, but this is also erroneous.

    The early church believed that the imperial Roman empire, under which the church was then living, was the restrainer which would eventually be "taken out of the way", but which was forestalling the emergence of the papal Roman empire, which Paul describes as the lawless one; and its ensuing apostasy. Notice in the related verses in 2 Thess. 2 that Paul does not reveal the identity of the restrainer. If Paul had believed that the Holy Spirit was the restrainer, there would have been no reason for him not to explicitly name the Holy Spirit. But Paul did have a reason. John Chrysostom, an apologist of the later early post-apostolic era, explains why:

    "Because if he meant to say the Spirit, he would not have spoken obscurely, but plainly, that even now the grace of the Spirit, that is the gifts, withhold him. And otherwise he ought now to have come, if he was about to come when the gifts ceased; for they have long since ceased. But because he said this of the Roman empire, he naturally glanced at it, and speaks covertly and darkly. For he did not wish to bring upon himself superfluous enmities, and useless dangers. For if he had said that after a little while the Roman empire would be dissolved, they would immediately have even overwhelmed him, as a pestilent person, and all the faithful, as living and warring to this end."

    Paul did not wish to jeopardize the Church by attracting the attention of the Roman authorities.

    History subsequently confirmed the accuracy of Paul's understanding and predictions.
     
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    I'd like to plagiarize one of BAB2's responses, with an apology and request for his forgiveness.

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    The day of the LORD will be both a terrible day (Joel 2:31) and a glorious day (Acts 2:30)


    It will be a terrible day for the nations, a time of doom for them (Ezekiel 30:3)


    But it will be a glorious day for Israel (Isaiah 4:2-5)

    Isaiah 4:2
    On that day the branch of the Lord shall be beautiful and glorious,
    and the fruit of the land shall be the pride and glory of the survivors of Israel.

    3 Whoever is left in Zion and
    remains in Jerusalem will be called holy,
    everyone who has been recorded for life in Jerusalem,


    4 once the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed
    the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning.

    5 Then the Lord will create over the whole site of Mount Zion and over its places of assembly a cloud by day and smoke and the shining of a flaming fire by night...



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    86 ible verses about the Day of the Lord:

    86 Bible verses about Day Of The Lord


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    The Shepherd Struck, the Sheep Scattered
    Zech.13:7 “Awake, sword, against my shepherd,
    against the man who is close to me!”
    declares the Lord Almighty.
    “Strike the shepherd,
    and the sheep will be scattered,
    and I will turn my hand against the little ones.
    8 In the whole land,” declares the Lord,
    “two-thirds will be struck down and perish;
    yet one-third will be left in it.

    9 This third I will put into the fire;
    I will refine them like silver
    and test them like gold.

    They will call on my name
    and I will answer them;
    I will say, ‘They are my people,’
    and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”


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    And how many of those change the word "day" into a period of 7 years?


    Rev 12:12  Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." 

    The persecution upon believers during the trib is not the wrath of God.
    It is the wrath of Satan, as clearly seen above.



    Rev 11:15  Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" 
    Rev 11:16  And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 
    Rev 11:17  saying: "We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. 
    Rev 11:18  The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth." 

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    Already has. Fifty Bible translators did it for me.
     
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    Supposing you check out the following 50 Reasons for the Pretribulation Rapture Historical Argument

    1. While posttribulationism appeared as early as 2 Thessalonians 2, many in the early church believed in the imminency of the Lord's return, which is an essential doctrine of pretribulationism.

    2. The detailed development of the pretribulational truth during the past few centuries does not prove that the doctrine is new or novel. Its development is similar to that of other major doctrines in the history of the church.
    Hermeneutics

    3. Pretribulationism is the only view that allows literal interpretation of all Old and New Testament passages on the Great Tribulation.

    4. Pretribulationism distinguishes clearly between Israel and the church and their respective programs.
    Nature of the Tribulation

    5. Pretribulationism maintains the scriptural distinction between the Great Tribulation and tribulation in general that precedes it.

    6. The Great Tribulation is properly interpreted by pretribulationists as a time of preparation for Israel's restoration (Deu. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:4-11). It is not the purpose of the Tribulation to prepare the church for glory.

    7. None of the Old Testament passages on the Tribulation mention the church (Deu. 4:29-30; Jer. 30: 4-11; Dan. 8:24-27; 12:1-2).

    8. None of the New Testament passages on the Tribulation mention the church (Matt. 13:30; 39-42, 48-50; 24:15-31; 1 Thess. 1:9-10; 5:4-9; 2 Thess. 2:1-11; Rev. 4-18).

    9. In contrast to midtribulationism, the pretribulational view provides an adequate explanation for the beginning of the Great Tribulation in Revelation 6. Midtribulationism is refuted by the plain teaching of Scripture that the Great Tribulation begins long before the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11.

    10. The proper distinction is maintained between the prophetic trumpets of Scripture by pretribulationism. There is no proper ground for the pivotal argument of midtribulationism that the seventh trumpet of Revelation is the last trumpet in that there is no established connection between the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11, the last trumpet of 1 Corinthians 15:52, and the trumpet of Matthew 24:31. They are three distinct events.

    11. The unity of Daniel's seventieth week is maintained by pretribulationists. By contrast, postribulationism and midtribulationists destroy the unity of Daniel's seventieth week and confuse Israel's program with that of the church.
    Nature of the Church

    12. The translation of the church is never mentioned in any passage dealing with the second coming of Christ after the Tribulation.

    13. The church is not appointed to wrath (Rom. 5:9: 1 Thess. 1:9-10; 5:9). The church therefore cannot enter "the great day of their wrath" (Rev. 6:17).

    14. The church will not be overtaken by the day of the Lord (1 Thess. 5:1-9, which includes the Tribulation.

    15. The possibility of a believer escaping the Tribulation is mentioned in Luke 21:36.

    16. The church of Philadelphia was promised deliverance from "the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth" (Rev. 3:10).

    17. It is characteristic of divine dealing to deliver believers before a divine judgment is inflicted on the world as illustrated in the deliverance of Noah, Lot, Rahab, etc. (2 Peter 2:5-9).

    18. At the time of the translation of the church, all believers go to the Father's house in heaven (John 14:3) and do not immediately return to the earth after meeting Christ in the air as postribulationists teach.

    19. Pretribulationism does not divide the body of Christ at the Rapture on a works principle. The teaching of a partial rapture is based on the false doctrine that the translation of the church is a reward for good works. It is rather a climactic aspect of salvation by grace.

    20. The Scriptures clearly teach that all, not part, of the church will be raptured at the coming of Christ for the church (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thess. 4:17).

    21. As opposed to a view of a partial rapture, pretribulationism is founded on the definite teaching of Scripture that the death of Christ frees from all condemnation.

    22. The godly remnant of the Tribulation are pictured as Israelites, not members of the church as maintained by the posttribulationists.

    23. The pretribulational view, as opposed to posttribulationism, does not confuse general terms like elect and saints, which apply to the saved of all ages, with specific terms like church and those in Christ, which refer to believers of this age only.
    Doctrine of Imminency

    24. The pretribulational interpretation teaches that the coming of Christ is actually imminent.

    25. The exhortation to be comforted by the coming of the Lord (1 Thess. 4:18) is very significant in the pretribulational view and is especially contradicted by most posttribulationists.

    26. The exhortation to look for "the glorious appearing" of Christ to His own (Titus 2:13) loses its significance if the Tribulation must intervene first. Believers in that case should look for signs.

    27. The exhortation to purify ourselves in view of the Lord's return has most significance if His coming is imminent (1 John 3:2-3).

    28. The church is uniformly exhorted to look for the coming of the Lord, while believers in the Tribulation are directed to look for signs.
    The Work of the Holy Spirit

    29. The Holy Spirit as the restrainer of evil cannot be taken out of the world unless the church, which the Spirit indwells, is translated at the same time. The Tribulation cannot begin until this restraint is lifted.

    30. The Holy Spirit as the restrainer must be taken out of the world before "the lawless one," who dominates the tribulation period, can be revealed (2 Thess. 2:6-8).

    31. If the expression "except there come a falling away first" (KJV) is translated literally, "except the "departure" come first," it would plainly show the necessity of the Rapture taking place before the beginning of the Tribulation.
    Necessity of an Interval Between the Rapture and the Second Coming

    32. According to 2 Corinthians 5:10, all believers of this age must appear before the judgment seat of Christ in heaven, an event never mentioned in the detailed accounts connected with the second coming of Christ to the earth.

    33. If the twenty-four elders of Revelation 4:1-5:14 are representative of the church as many expositors believe, it would necessitate the rapture and reward of the church before the Tribulation.

    34. The coming of Christ for His bride must take place before the Second Coming to the earth for the wedding feast (Rev. 19:7-10).

    35. Tribulation saints are not translated at the second coming of Christ but carry on ordinary occupations such as farming and building houses, and they will bear children (Isa. 65:20-25). This would be impossible if the translation had taken place at the Second Coming to the earth, as posttribulationists teach.

    36. The judgment of the Gentiles following the Second Coming (Matt. 25:31-

    46) indicates that both saved and unsaved are still in their natural bodies. This would be impossible if the translation had taken place at the Second Coming.

    37. If the translation took place in connection with the Second Coming to the earth, there would be no need of separating the sheep from the goats at a subsequent judgment, but the separation would have taken place in the very act of the translation of the believers before Christ actually sets up His throne on earth (Matt. 25:31).

    38. The judgment of Israel (Ezek. 20:34-38), which occurs subsequent to the Second Coming, indicates the necessity of regathering Israel. The separation of the saved from the unsaved in this judgment obviously takes place sometime after the Second Coming and would be unnecessary if the saved had previously been separated from the unsaved by translation.
    Contrast Between the Rapture and the Second Coming

    39. At the time of the Rapture the saints meet Christ in the air, while at the Second Coming Christ returns to the Mount of Olives to meet the saints on earth.

    40. At the time of the Rapture the Mount of Olives is unchanged, while at the Second Coming it divides and a valley is formed to the east of Jerusalem (Zech. 14:4-5).

    41. At the Rapture living saints are translated, while no saints are translated in connection with the second coming of Christ to the earth.

    42. At the Rapture the saints go to heaven, while at the Second Coming to the earth the saints remain in the earth without translation.

    43. At the time of the Rapture the world is unjudged and continues in sin, while at the Second Coming the world is judged and righteousness is established on the earth.

    44. The translation of the church is pictured as a deliverance before the day of wrath, while the Second Coming is followed by the deliverance of those who have believed in Christ during the Tribulation.

    45. The Rapture is described as imminent, while the Second Coming is preceded by definite signs.

    46. The translation of living believers is a truth revealed only in the New Testament, while the Second Coming with its attendant events is a prominent doctrine of both Testaments.

    47. The Rapture concerns only the saved, while the Second Coming deals with both saved and unsaved.

    48. At the Rapture Satan is not bound, while at the Second Coming Satan is bound and cast into the abyss.

    49. No unfulfilled prophecy stands between the church and the Rapture, while many signs must be fulfilled before the Second Coming.

    50. No passage dealing with the resurrection of saints at the Second Coming ever mentions translation of living saints at the same time.

    From: 50 Reasons for the Pretribulation Rapture

    Written by: John F. Walvoord, deceased: Former President of Dallas Theological Seminary



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    2Ti 4:1  I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 



    Rev 11:15  Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" 
    Rev 11:16  And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 
    Rev 11:17  saying: "We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. 
    Rev 11:18  The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth." 

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    Nothing there which in the slightest undermines 50 correct and consistent translations of "apostasy" in 2 Thess. 2:3.

    Your 50 reasons were previously dealt with very effectively here and here, as you appropriately acknowledged.
     
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    None of your above post answers to my quote it responds to. Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus take anyone with Him to heaven at His second coming to the earth: In either Mt.24; Mk.13; Lk.21; Zech.14:4 or in Rev.19:14.


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    I never said Christ takes anyone back to heaven at His Second Coming.

    He brings the dead in Christ with Him at His return, based on 1 Thessalonians chapter 4.

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    The Scriptures you are referring to is 1 Thess.4:14, when Jesus returns from heaven in verse 16 for His Church. From where they are caught up together [Those who previously died in Him] to meet the Lord in the air, in verse 17. From where He will take them to them to heaven with Him, as recorded in Jn.14:2-3 AND 28.

    They are seen in heven for the mrriage, recorded in Rev.10:8-8 and will then return from heaven WITH Jesus, in His second coming to the earth, riding white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, in hHis armies from heaven, recorded in verse 14.

    1 Thess.4:14-17 has NOTHING at all to do with Jesus second coming!


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    The only way you can make the above work is to ignore 1 Thessalonians chapter 5, which provides the timing of the event at the end of chapter 4.
    When the letter was written there were no chapters or verses in the letter.


    The words "we" and "sleep" in the following verse proves that chapter 5 is connected to chapter 4.

    1Th 5:10  who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.


     
    The word "But" at the beginning of chapter 5 connects it to chapter 4.

    1Th 5:1  But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 

    1Th 5:2  For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 



    Therefore, the event at the end of chapter 4 occurs on "the day of the Lord" when He "comes as a thief".

    Based on 2 Peter 3:10 and Revelation 16:15-16, this is clearly a Second Coming event.
    This fact was understood by the majority of Christians for the first 1800 years of the Church.



     
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