What is Gods will?

[JesusLoveA]

wait, this might not be what your saying, so...........but I have to say this.
Jesus died for the whole world, those alive then now and in the future. He shed His blood so that we would have a chance to come to God. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ. So wouldn't it be God's will to see the whole world saved? God loves us all. He understands that we all make mistakes, but yet He still never leaves us.
I belive that God's will is to see the unsaved get saved, and the saved get closer to Him.

 

[JesusLoveA]

Am I wrong or right?

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 12:00 PM SUNSTONE said this in Post #40

What are you saved from?

Not sure if I understand what you're asking.  Do you mean, why are we saved?  If so, all I can say is because it pleased God to do so.  It certainly isn't based on our works.  If any of us were judged on our works we'd all be found lacking.

Thank God for His grace!!

God bless

 

[JesusLoveA]

that's true

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 12:06 PM JesusLoveA said this in Post #41 

Jesus died for the whole world, those alive then now and in the future. He shed His blood so that we would have a chance to come to God.

Just out of curiosity, where did you read that Jesus shed His blood so that we would have a "chance" to be saved?

God loves us all.

God loves every single person that ever lived?

He understands that we all make mistakes, but yet He still never leaves us.

If you're talking about the saved, or those that will be saved, I'd say I agree.  If you're talking about everyone I'd have to say that the fact that some go to hell shows undeniably that at some point God is not with some.

I belive that God's will is to see the unsaved get saved, and the saved get closer to Him.

So God fails to accomplish His sovereign Will in many cases?

God bless

 

[JesusLoveA]

LOL No, he does not fail, He does not force us to get saved, but gives us a choice. And He wants us to get saved. But wont make us.

Yes God does love every single person that ever lived. He loves them from their first breath, and before, but yes He does stop loving some of us before it's all over with.

And I will find that scripture.

 

[JesusLoveA]

and...............HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you! lol I hope it's merry!

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 12:22 PM JesusLoveA said this in Post #46

He does not force us to get saved, but gives us a choice.

I don't believe God forces us "to get saved" either.  Salvation is something done to us.  Do you believe you do something "to get saved?"  Where is that choice?  And what benefit would it be to offer godliness to a fallen, depraved creation that does not love God, does not seek Him, does not understand Him, and has no righteousness?  Fallen man does not desire the things of God.  If God gave fallen man a choice to be saved, all people would decline. 

And He wants us to get saved. But wont make us.[/b]

JLA, we don't "get" saved, we are saved.  If you "get" saved then you do something to bring it about and it's not being saved, it's being rewarded. 

Yes God does love every single person that ever lived.

I certainly hope that you're not talking about John 3:16.  And if God loved every single person that ever lived what about the people that His Word specifically shows that He doesn't love?

 He loves them from their first breath, and before, but yes He does stop loving some of us before it's all over with.

And I will find that scripture.

I shudder to think you believe there is a verse which says that God stops loving some "before it's all over with."  And what is the "it" that is "all over with?"  Life?

And how does that mesh with your previous statement of "He understands that we all make mistakes, but yet He still never leaves us?"

Thanks,

God bless

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 12:24 PM JesusLoveA said this in Post #47

and...............HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you! lol I hope it's merry!

Thank you very much!  

 

[chelcb]

Today at 01:56 PM Reformationist said this in Post #38

Thank you m'dear.

 

No problem, here. I do understand the reformed view on this, I don’t agree, but I know it is not as it seems. But I am not allowed to discuss in this forum so I'll just go now before I get myself into any trouble. 

 


 

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 01:31 PM chelcb said this in Post #50 

No problem, here. I do understand the reformed view on this, I don’t agree, but I know it is not as it seems.

I guess you know what it's like for people to misunderstand your views, huh?

But I am not allowed to discuss in this forum so I'll just go now before I get myself into any trouble.

Who told you that?  Whoever it was was wrong.  You can post in any forum on this MB.

God bless

 

[chelcb]

Yeah but I can not discuss something, only ask questions and when it is sufficiently answered then I should not pursue. I was PM about it.

 

[SUNSTONE]

Today at 03:08 PM Reformationist said this in Post #43 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=675286#post675286)

Not sure if I understand what you're asking.  Do you mean, why are we saved?  If so, all I can say is because it pleased God to do so.  It certainly isn't based on our works.  If any of us were judged on our works we'd all be found lacking.

Thank God for His grace!!

God bless

No I want to know "what" you are saved from.

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 01:59 PM chelcb said this in Post #52

Yeah but I can not discuss something, only ask questions and when it is sufficiently answered then I should not pursue. I was PM about it.

I see. Well, if you ever want to "discuss" something, feel free to PM me.

God bless,

Don

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 04:42 PM SUNSTONE said this in Post #53

No I want to know "what" you are saved from.

Oh.  Sorry about that.  We are saved from the wrath of God.

God bless,

Don

 

[SUNSTONE]

Thanx

So you are either saved, or not, correct?

You either recieve Gods mercy or His wrath?

 

[SnuP]

That's funny I thought that we were saved from seperation from God. So some people only go fire insurance? anyways, God's will isn't that only some would be saved. His will is that man would choose salvation, choose Him. How is it love if there is no choice. Could I say that I love my wife if I made her choose me. Or even that she would love me.

9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[Reformationist]

Yesterday at 05:25 PM SUNSTONE said this in Post #56

Thanx

So you are either saved, or not, correct?

I'm not sure if you mean this as cut and dry as it sounds but I will say this, you are either saved now, will be saved in the future, or will never be saved. 

You either recieve Gods mercy or His wrath?

Again, I don't think this is an either/or situation.  I think all people receive some measure of God's mercy.  It's just that not all people receive God's salvitic grace.

God bless

 

[Reformationist]

Yesterday at 10:25 PM SnuP said this in Post #57
anyways, God's will isn't that only some would be saved.  His will is that man would choose salvation, choose Him.

Well SnuP, that's certainly your perrogative to see it that way.  I would offer a different position though.  We don't choose salvation.  We, as saved individuals, choose to be obedient.  It seems like you totally disregard the nature of fallen man when discussing the freedom with which he can "choose salvation" or "choose God."

Fallen man does not desire the things of God, nor God Himself.  Fallen man does not love God.  Fallen man does not seek after God.  Fallen man does not posess any shard of righteousness that enables him to choose righteously.  It's just not part of his nature after the Fall.  So, attributing a person's salvation to them based on a decision they make while fallen is illogical at best.  Fallen man's nature must be changed before he will ever seek the Lord.  That change is called salvation.

How is it love if there is no choice.

You know, I hear this all the time.  I don't understand what you mean.  How is what love if there is no choice?  And also, who said that redeemed man has no choice to live obediently?  On the contrary, redeemed man is freer than unregenerate man.  Unregenerate man can only choose sinfully.  Regenerate man can choose both righteously and sinfully, and he makes each decision freely.  IOW, the decisions he makes are in accordance with his greatest desire.  He is not forced or coerced.

Could I say that I love my wife if I made her choose me.  Or even that she would love me.

This age old custom of comparing the motives and responses of created beings, us, to that of the Creator, God, is just plain senseless.  You are not God.  Your wife, as far as I know, is not depraved and evil, she is not your enemy, you are not hers, neither you nor her are capable of sovereignly making anything come to pass, much less by the power of your will.

SnuP, I truly understand why many people feel the way you do.  I would like to continue discussing this with you but, as I said, this will never be a progressive conversation if we continue to put God in the box that we are in.  God is not us.  We are not God.  Comparing us to God, or us to pre-Fall Adam and Eve, or us to angels is simply a incongruous premise to start on and can lead us in many unbiblical directions.

God bless

 

[SUNSTONE]

Today at 09:39 AM Reformationist said this in Post #58

I'm not sure if you mean this as cut and dry as it sounds but I will say this, you are either saved now, will be saved in the future, or will never be saved. 



Again, I don't think this is an either/or situation.  I think all people receive some measure of God's mercy.  It's just that not all people receive God's salvitic grace.

God bless

So there are saved, going to be saved, and people who will never be saved. I agree.

Now you say that God saves everyone he wants, and that there isn't a single soul that could escape Gods salvation, if His will was for them to be saved.

So no one is saved that God doesn't want saved, according to what you believe. With that belief you must come to the conclusion that God only wants to save some from His wrath, and the others, it is His will that they suffer His wrath. Man has no choice, it is totally up to God who gets saved from His wrath, and who doesn't get saved, from His wrath, according to what you believe.I am talking about when you die, you either recieve Gods wrath, or His mercy.

If God only saves those that are His will to save, what happens to the rest?