WHAT is Daniel's Abomination?

[Semper-Fi]

WHAT have I said that you can REFUTE from Scripture.

What can I REFUTE from Scripture? This for one

the A-Millennial Kingdom is the Gospel

Your theory That the AMillennial Kingdom is the Gospel, and the
1000 year mil. has already started can be refuted by scriptures.

The Good News Christ preached was The Coming Kingdom of God
to earth, where Christ reigns over all the physical kingdoms of man.

The millennium is a future event in which the nation of Israel
is restored, and all the promises about her are fulfilled.
This is a 1000 year event for the near future at the seventh Trumpet blast.

You have dodged/ ignored this subject every time I bring it up
for the simple reason is you cannot refute this with Scriptures.

Your THEORY contradicts the [bible] text. So your theory is already proven wrong.

 

[The Righterzpen]

I NEVER disputed what Mat 24:22 teaches.
So I don't know WHY you are pretending otherwise?

Secondly... the Scripture does NOT say all flesh would be in danger of not being saved...
you ADDED that to the text.

Matthew 24:22 clearly says that unless the tribulation was cut short; no flesh would be saved. Your two statements right here contradict each other. I did not add to the text "no" (flesh would be saved). That is in the text. I proved that to you after you denied it was there. Then you denied that you denied it was there. That's why you are a liar.

Matthew 12:36. This very conversation you've had with me (and everyone else) here on this thread; you will give an account for on the day of Judgement.

Try again..
your comment DOES NOT show anything.

(1) Are you commenting on what I said about the Atonement?
(2) Are you commenting on what I said about "all flesh would be in danger of NOT being saved"?

Now this statement contradicts the other two.

I said: The texts says "no flesh would be saved"
You said: "No the Scripture doesn't say all flesh would be in danger of not being saved."
I proved to you that Scripture does say "no flesh would be saved"

(So yes, you did dispute what Matthew 24:22 teaches. Because indeed, it does teach that "no flesh would be saved" if the "great tribulation" wasn't cut short. Thus you do actually deny that the Scripture teaches this.

Then you denied saying; "No the Scripture does say all flesh would be in danger of not being saved." You even quoted yourself saying this in your denial.

NOW you're asking me if I'm commenting on what you said about "all flesh would be in danger of not being saved".

So which is it? (Ya only gas lighting yourself; you know that don't ya?)

Every idle word will be accounted for on the day of Judgement.

Put your big boy pants on and SHOW the Scripture that "clearly says" what I said it does not.
This is not hard. When you make a comment you MUST be able to show the Scripture that supports your doctrine.

Already did this. You know that I did this. You know that you're caught. And like I said; you're only gas lighting yourself. Everyone else sees it.

Every idle word will be accounted for on the day of Judgement.

Unfortunately for you
The POINT is NOT God being frustrated.

The POINT is understanding the CONTEXT of the verse.

I made a comment and you DEFLECTED to a different subject entirely.
That is an indication of how childish your comment are.

Try to respond to what is actually SAID
instead of deflecting to a different subject entirely
THAT is how adult conversations work.

LOL - Apparently what I said went right over your head! (You really need to stop gas lighting yourself. You miss real important information when you do that.)

I never said God was frustrated. I said nothing He created can stop Him from accomplishing His plan. And because this is true; it would not matter who or what was on earth when the tribulation took place.

So yeah, try and respond with what was actually said: - Good advice there!

LOL... the Atonement was FINISHED at the Cross.
I have already told you this and ANY Saint would tell you this.
This is Christian Theology 101... why is it "news" to you?

And I confirmed that at least you got that right. (The atonement was finished at the cross.)
Congratulations; you passed Theology 101!

So your THEORY about Matthew 24:22 is already proven to be a false doctrine
because you insist if involves "the Great Tribulation HAD to take place as part of the Atonement"

The atonement was complete BECAUSE the "great tribulation" WAS cut short! Just as Scripture said it would be!

But you missed that point too though; now didn't ya!

And THAT destroys you theory about the Atonement... AND the meaning of the text.
not that your argument was not already destroyed by the (Biblical) FACT
the Atonement was FINISHED at the Cross.


Your THEORY contradicts the text.
So your theory is already proven wrong

What I pointed out that the text says, doesn't contradict that the atonement was completed; you just don't pay attention.

PAY ATTENTION:
The text says "no flesh would be saved".
That does NOT mean ONLY the saved flesh on earth...
that INCLUDES all of the unsaved flesh on earth also.

NO SH** SHERLOCK! THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!

5thKingdom said:
And I do not have to answer any question.
How is that?

That's childish. If someone asks you to prove that you know the answer to a question and you refuse to answer it; that only proves that you don't know.

5thKingdom said:
I know the answer is WAY above your head
and I don't need any more of that.

You don't need any more of that? What's "that"? Stuff that's over my head?

Seems to me the real problem is that all of this is over your head and you just don't want to admit it.

But since you're not paying attention anyways; I'm going to write the next post for the benefit of other people reading this thread:

 

[The Righterzpen]

The "great tribulation" was "cut short" on the Passover; when the angel of death consigned Jesus's human soul to Sheol. (Luke 22:43 / Acts 2:31) He didn't die from that event, because he had a Divine nature. What actually killed Jesus was the severing of the Divine nature from the flesh. Because the 2nd Person of the Trinity (the Son) is immortal. But the humanity of Christ was not immortal.

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." Matthew 24:21

It was a "great tribulation" for whether or not the entire creation would be forsaken if Jesus changed his mind and decided not to go through it. (Matthew 26:52-54)

The necessity for the "great tribulation" to be cut short is found in Jeremiah 25. That chapter talks about the cup of the wrath of God causes the nations to go mad. So thus to actually aide Christ to fulfill the atonement; his soul was consigned to Sheol. This is why this encounter with the angel of death strengthened him.

Daniel 9:27 says the tribulation is for "one week". (7 literal days, not 7 years). The end of that verse talks about "the consummation". The consummation is Pentecost. There's 70 weeks from the death of John the Baptist to Pentecost. There's a literal 62 weeks from John's death to week of the crucifixion. The crucifixion week is week 63. The week of the resurrection commences week 64. 40 days post resurrection Jesus ascends as a whole person back to the Father. 10 days later is Pentecost. That's a total of 70 weeks.

Now the decision to complete the atonement was left solely to the Son. And the "great tribulation" being the tribulation of the world based on what Christ decided to do. Now he "set his face as flint" because his intent was to fulfill the purpose he'd come to fulfill. But if he decided that he didn't want to do this after all; it would be over for the rest of the cosmos and "no flesh would be saved".

I actually looked up the term "flesh" and in both Matthew and Mark it is the same Greek word. Now it's interesting because it's not actually "flesh" as in "earthly body". The root Greek word means to "take up". God "took up" the decision to create something. (Interesting application there.)

So whether or not anything was animal, vegetable, mineral, angel or man all would be "not saved".

Assuming that would have also included Jesus's humanity? (I don't really know the answer to that?) But I suppose the Son would have been freed to take up what ever form He wanted to; if He cared to take up a form at all? And seeing how the Persons of the Godhead were perfectly content among Themselves long before anything was created. The Son taking up a form would have been unnecessary.

Anyways, just a theoretical concept that we have no way of knowing the answer to because that's not our current reality.

So, I'll put this out here. But we can talk about when is the resurrection of the dead. "Last day" as opposed to "last days", or "last trump". That kind of stuff too.

Iron sharpens iron. Can we salvage an actual conversation and learn something from each other?

 

[5thKingdom]

Your THEORY contradicts the [bible] text. So your theory is already proven wrong.

LOL...
that is hilarious.

Saints have disputed the literal 1000 year theory FOR ALMOST 2000 YEARS

And yet YOU have suddenly decided the doctrine is settled.

That is the most presumptuous statement I have hear in a LONG time
Just amazingly naive.

Sorry buddy...
you do not get to ERASE 2000 years of Church doctrine
and you do not get to DECIDE which doctrine is Biblical.

Just amazing

/

 

[5thKingdom]

Daniel 9:27 says the tribulation is for "one week". (7 literal days, not 7 years).

LOL...
You have at least two (2) problems.


(1) First... Whenever you make a doctrine based on ONE VERSE
you are saying that only ONE VERSE in the Bible talks about that event
instead of finding the "harmony of Scripture" with ALL RELATED passages.


The SCRIPTURES below establish the duration of the Great Tribulation is NOT limited to ONE VERSE.
Therefore, you cannot possibly understand what the BIBLE TEACHES about that period
unless/until you harmonize ALL RELATED passages. You have failed to do so.
I will now show your doctrine is a false doctrine.


First, the Church has studied the Great Tribulation Scriptures (in OT and NT) for 2000 years.
The Church has SHOWN passages establishing the Great Tribulation lasts MUCH MORE than a week.
Because the Church understands the Bible talks about the DURATION of the Great Tribulation in MANY VERSES.
To think the Bible only talks about the duration in ONE VERSE is incredibly naive.
Make a doctrine based on ONE VERSE... is must be a false doctrine.


But let's look at SOME of the passages that establish the Great Tribulation lasts MUCH MORE than a week.
This is not new information... the Church has understood the Bible speaks
IN MANY PLACES about the duration of this period.
It is NOT limited to ONE VERSE.
That is ridiculous


The DURATION of the Great Tribulation is shown in Scripture as:
3.5 "times" and 3.5 "days" and 3.5 years (42 months)
and 3.5 "watches of the night"


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The Last Kingdom before the Lord's Return - consists of "Ten Virgins" and "Ten Kings" and "Ten Horns",
these same people are shown in other passages (by many different names) and each passage must be harmonized to have Truth.
Below is a (partial) list of Biblical names given – to represent the people living during Daniel's Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven".


The "Kingdom" which the Anti-Christ "obtains with flatteries" [Dan 11]

The "Mighty and Holy People" who are "destroyed" by the Anti-Christ [Dan 8]

The "Sanctuary and Host" that are "trodden under foot" by the Anti-Christ [Dan 8]

The "Holy City" which the Anti-Christ "treads under foot" for 42 months/3.5 years [Rev 11]

The "Kings" that are "given into his hand" (the Anti-Christ's hand) for 3.5 "times" [Dan 7]

The "Holy People" whose "power is scattered" by the Anti-Christ for 3.5 "times" [Dan 12]

The "Woman" which is hidden from the face of the "serpent" for 3.5 "times" [Rev 12]

The "Witnesses" which are "overcome" and "killed" by Satan for 3.5 "days" [Rev 11]

The "Kingdom" which is "overflown" and "broken" by the Anti-Christ [Dan 11]

The "Host and the Stars" that are "cast down" by the Anti-Christ [Dan 8]


While the people alive during Daniel's Fourth Kingdom are shown [Mat 25] as the "Ten Virgins" that "went forth"
into the 4th Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"... and they are shown [Dan 7] as the "Ten Kings" and "Ten Horns"
that were "given into the hand" of the Anti-Christ... and they are shown [Rev 17] as the "Ten Kings" and the "Ten Horns"
that "agreed to give their Kingdom to the Beast", the Bible contains (literally) DOZENS of other passages that talk about
these same people, and every one of the passages must be harmonized before we can pretend to have more than partial-truth.


So we see the notion that Scripture only talks about the DURATION of the Great Tribulation in ONE VERSE
is not only naive... it is not only incredibly unaware of established Church doctrine... it is not only contradictory of MANY verses...
it is very hard to imagine how ANYBODY could presume to understand the DURATION base on ONE VERSE.
Your doctrine has been completely destroyed by Scripture - and Church doctrine.


(2) the SECOND problem for you doctrine (and this completely destroys your theory in ONE VERSE)
is the Bible talks about the DURATION of Daniel's "Abomination of Desolation"
which occurs during the Great Tribulation (Daniel's Fourth Beast)
and the Abomination lasts for 2300 days
(literally "evenings/mornings"...


THAT is 6.4 years (not a week) and that is BEFORE the "Sanctuary is cleansed"...


Dan 8:13-14
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake,
How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation,
to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? [what is the DURATION of the AOD?]
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; THEN shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


So your doctrine about one week has been destroyed BY SEVERAL SCRIPTURES in (#1) above
And your doctrine has been destroyed by ONE VERSE in Daniel 8 (#2) above.
Your doctrine has been shown BY SCRIPTURE to be a false doctrine.
You can pretend otherwise... but you are just pretending.


Now... since I feel good today... I will TELL YOU WHY your false doctrine is so naive... besides being bases on ONE VERSE.
You have NO IDEA what happens during the Great Tribulation... I will tell you what the "harmony of Scripture" teaches:


The Great Tribulation consists of TWO "Beasts" and TWO "Woes" and TWO "Trumpets" and TWO "heads/kings'
During the FIRST PART of the Great Tribulation the Last Saints are "overcome" and RULED by the Anti-Christ
This period is shown as Daniel's "Abomination of Desolation" because the Saints are RULED by Satan.


This period occurs during the 1st Revelation Beast, and the 1st Woe and the 5th Trumpet and the 7th "head/king"
This period lasts for 2300 days BEFORE the Last Saints "see" Daniel's Abomination and they reject the Anti-Christ
as the "flee to the mountains" of God.


Mat 24:15-16
When ye [the Last Saints] therefore SHALL SEE the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand [rule] in the holy place, [the Sanctuary of the Saints] (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


After the Last Saints "shall see" Daniel's Abomination (this is explained in the thread "What is Daniel's Abomination"?)
THEN the "Sanctuary is cleansed" during the SECOND PART of the Great Tribulation as the Last Saints return to God.
This is shown as the SECOND "Beast" and the 2nd "Woe" and the 6th "Trumpet" and the 8th "head/king"


So NOW you can understand (no, the Bible PROMISES you will never understand - Dan 12:8-10)
but I have demonstrated BY SCRIPTURE (and explanation) the nature and duration of the Great Tribulation.
The FIRST Revelation Beast, the 1st Woe, the 5th Trump the 7th "head/king" lasts for EXACTLY 2300 days...
and THEN the "Sanctuary shall be cleansed" during the SECOND Beast, the 2nd Woe, the 6th Trumpet and 8th "head/king"


Bottom Line:
Your doctrine of one week has been shown to be a false doctrine in SEVERAL different ways.


/

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
Secondly... the Scripture does NOT say all flesh would be in danger of not being saved...
you ADDED that to the text.

Matthew 24:22 clearly says that unless the tribulation was cut short; no flesh would be saved.

OK.. you need to slow down and read for comprehension

(1) I said the text does NOT say all flesh would be in danger of NOT BEING SAVED

(2) I said that because the texts says "no flesh would be saved"

The first statement is that ALL FLESH would be saved if the days are shortened... the Bible does not say that.
The second statement is that "no flesh would be saved"... that has the OPPOSITE meaning.

The Bible does NOT teach (as I stated) that all flesh would be in danger of NOT BEING SAVED.
Instead, the Bible says the opposite, that NO FLESH "would be saved"

You need to read for comprehension
because you are so confused


/

 

[Semper-Fi]

And yet YOU have suddenly decided the doctrine is settled.

And yet the one thing you harp at is it was closed and sealed
till the end time where you saint[single not plural] has the new key.

 

[The Righterzpen]

LOL...
You have at least two (2) problems.


(1) First... Whenever you make a doctrine based on ONE VERSE
you are saying that only ONE VERSE in the Bible talks about that event
instead of finding the "harmony of Scripture" with ALL RELATED passages.


The SCRIPTURES below establish the duration of the Great Tribulation is NOT limited to ONE VERSE.
Therefore, you cannot possibly understand what the BIBLE TEACHES about that period
unless/until you harmonize ALL RELATED passages. You have failed to do so.
I will now show your doctrine is a false doctrine.


First, the Church has studied the Great Tribulation Scriptures (in OT and NT) for 2000 years.
The Church has SHOWN passages establishing the Great Tribulation lasts MUCH MORE than a week.
Because the Church understands the Bible talks about the DURATION of the Great Tribulation in MANY VERSES.
To think the Bible only talks about the duration in ONE VERSE is incredibly naive.
Make a doctrine based on ONE VERSE... is must be a false doctrine.


But let's look at SOME of the passages that establish the Great Tribulation lasts MUCH MORE than a week.
This is not new information... the Church has understood the Bible speaks
IN MANY PLACES about the duration of this period.
It is NOT limited to ONE VERSE.
That is ridiculous


The DURATION of the Great Tribulation is shown in Scripture as:
3.5 "times" and 3.5 "days" and 3.5 years (42 months)
and 3.5 "watches of the night"


-----------


The Last Kingdom before the Lord's Return - consists of "Ten Virgins" and "Ten Kings" and "Ten Horns",
these same people are shown in other passages (by many different names) and each passage must be harmonized to have Truth.
Below is a (partial) list of Biblical names given – to represent the people living during Daniel's Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven".


The "Kingdom" which the Anti-Christ "obtains with flatteries" [Dan 11]

The "Mighty and Holy People" who are "destroyed" by the Anti-Christ [Dan 8]

The "Sanctuary and Host" that are "trodden under foot" by the Anti-Christ [Dan 8]

The "Holy City" which the Anti-Christ "treads under foot" for 42 months/3.5 years [Rev 11]

The "Kings" that are "given into his hand" (the Anti-Christ's hand) for 3.5 "times" [Dan 7]

The "Holy People" whose "power is scattered" by the Anti-Christ for 3.5 "times" [Dan 12]

The "Woman" which is hidden from the face of the "serpent" for 3.5 "times" [Rev 12]

The "Witnesses" which are "overcome" and "killed" by Satan for 3.5 "days" [Rev 11]

The "Kingdom" which is "overflown" and "broken" by the Anti-Christ [Dan 11]

The "Host and the Stars" that are "cast down" by the Anti-Christ [Dan 8]


While the people alive during Daniel's Fourth Kingdom are shown [Mat 25] as the "Ten Virgins" that "went forth"
into the 4th Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"... and they are shown [Dan 7] as the "Ten Kings" and "Ten Horns"
that were "given into the hand" of the Anti-Christ... and they are shown [Rev 17] as the "Ten Kings" and the "Ten Horns"
that "agreed to give their Kingdom to the Beast", the Bible contains (literally) DOZENS of other passages that talk about
these same people, and every one of the passages must be harmonized before we can pretend to have more than partial-truth.


So we see the notion that Scripture only talks about the DURATION of the Great Tribulation in ONE VERSE
is not only naive... it is not only incredibly unaware of established Church doctrine... it is not only contradictory of MANY verses...
it is very hard to imagine how ANYBODY could presume to understand the DURATION base on ONE VERSE.
Your doctrine has been completely destroyed by Scripture - and Church doctrine.


(2) the SECOND problem for you doctrine (and this completely destroys your theory in ONE VERSE)
is the Bible talks about the DURATION of Daniel's "Abomination of Desolation"
which occurs during the Great Tribulation (Daniel's Fourth Beast)
and the Abomination lasts for 2300 days
(literally "evenings/mornings"...


THAT is 6.4 years (not a week) and that is BEFORE the "Sanctuary is cleansed"...


Dan 8:13-14
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake,
How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation,
to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? [what is the DURATION of the AOD?]
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; THEN shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


So your doctrine about one week has been destroyed BY SEVERAL SCRIPTURES in (#1) above
And your doctrine has been destroyed by ONE VERSE in Daniel 8 (#2) above.
Your doctrine has been shown BY SCRIPTURE to be a false doctrine.
You can pretend otherwise... but you are just pretending.


Now... since I feel good today... I will TELL YOU WHY your false doctrine is so naive... besides being bases on ONE VERSE.
You have NO IDEA what happens during the Great Tribulation... I will tell you what the "harmony of Scripture" teaches:


The Great Tribulation consists of TWO "Beasts" and TWO "Woes" and TWO "Trumpets" and TWO "heads/kings'
During the FIRST PART of the Great Tribulation the Last Saints are "overcome" and RULED by the Anti-Christ
This period is shown as Daniel's "Abomination of Desolation" because the Saints are RULED by Satan.


This period occurs during the 1st Revelation Beast, and the 1st Woe and the 5th Trumpet and the 7th "head/king"
This period lasts for 2300 days BEFORE the Last Saints "see" Daniel's Abomination and they reject the Anti-Christ
as the "flee to the mountains" of God.


Mat 24:15-16
When ye [the Last Saints] therefore SHALL SEE the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand [rule] in the holy place, [the Sanctuary of the Saints] (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


After the Last Saints "shall see" Daniel's Abomination (this is explained in the thread "What is Daniel's Abomination"?)
THEN the "Sanctuary is cleansed" during the SECOND PART of the Great Tribulation as the Last Saints return to God.
This is shown as the SECOND "Beast" and the 2nd "Woe" and the 6th "Trumpet" and the 8th "head/king"


So NOW you can understand (no, the Bible PROMISES you will never understand - Dan 12:8-10)
but I have demonstrated BY SCRIPTURE (and explanation) the nature and duration of the Great Tribulation.
The FIRST Revelation Beast, the 1st Woe, the 5th Trump the 7th "head/king" lasts for EXACTLY 2300 days...
and THEN the "Sanctuary shall be cleansed" during the SECOND Beast, the 2nd Woe, the 6th Trumpet and 8th "head/king"


Bottom Line:
Your doctrine of one week has been shown to be a false doctrine in SEVERAL different ways.


/

None of what you quoted here says specifically that these passages are talking about "the great tribulation". You only believe that's what they are talking about. But just because you believe that's what they are talking about does't prove that's what they are talking about.

Remember Context!

 

[The Righterzpen]

5thKingdom said:
Secondly... the Scripture does NOT say all flesh would be in danger of not being saved...
you ADDED that to the text.




OK.. you need to slow down and read for comprehension

(1) I said the text does NOT say all flesh would be in danger of NOT BEING SAVED

(2) I said that because the texts says "no flesh would be saved"

The first statement is that ALL FLESH would be saved if the days are shortened... the Bible does not say that.
The second statement is that "no flesh would be saved"... that has the OPPOSITE meaning.

The Bible does NOT teach (as I stated) that all flesh would be in danger of NOT BEING SAVED.
Instead, the Bible says the opposite, that NO FLESH "would be saved"

You need to read for comprehension
because you are so confused


/

LOL - wow dude!

You need to slow down and read Matthew 24:22 for comprehension. In your fervor to prove yourself right; you've lost touch with any grasp of what you're even trying to say.

You just agreed with what I said; you realize that don't you?

 

[Semper-Fi]

Saints have disputed the literal 1000 year theory FOR ALMOST 2000 YEARS

You can continue to trust in men, I will trust in Gods Word alone.

Ezekiel discusses a prince [Christ] in the future when He will rule this
Earth (Ezekiel 45:8). People will never again be oppressed by their rulers!

"Thy Kingdom come" The Good news of the coming Kingdom of God to earth.
After human misrule causes great tribulation that almost wipes out civilization,

The living Christ is coming as “King of kings and Lord of lords” (Revelation 19:11-21),
to put down the rebellion of warring nations (Revelation 17:14), and establish God’s
world-ruling government over all nations (Daniel 2:44; 7:9, 13-14, 18, 22, 27; Isaiah 9:7).

He went away (to heaven) to be coronated, and to return to Earth (Luke 19:12-27).
He will then be on the Earth—Zechariah 14:3-4, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (Nahum 1:5)

“We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come;
because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned” (Revelation 11:17)
“The mountains quake at him, and the hills [will] melt…” (Nahum 1:5), (Rev. 16:18)

x
The seventh angel sounds-Kingdoms of current world become Christs (Rev 11:15)
Will commit thy government into his hand, established with judgement and justice.
(Isaiah 22:21) Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,
upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom,...(Isaiah 9:7)

He shall return to Earth in clouds Acts 1:9-11(Matthew 24:30). Just as He is
returning (1Thes 4:14-17), the dead in Christ will rise in a resurrection,
made immortal—including all the prophets of old (Luke 13:28).

Beginning of future rule and world government “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them…and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years”
(Revelation 20:4).(Isaiah 11:2-4) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he
shall separate them one from another,...Matthew 25:32

Jesus said: “And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will
I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron…” (Rev 2:26-27).
And again, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne [on this Earth]”
(Revelation 3:21; Luke 1:32-33). And, “…we shall reign on the earth” (Revelation 5:10).

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;(Luke 22:29)
Some resurrected saints will rule over 10 cities, some over five (Luke 19:12-19)
Saints shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, (Daniel 7:18)
We shall inherit the earth. (Psalms 25:13-22:26, 37:9, 22,29) not flesh and blood.

-A Kingdom appointed to the saints , made rulers over some cities.
the glorified saints of God made perfect,cities will be ruled by spirit beings.

It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name
of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there. (Ezekiel 48:35)

17At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and
all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem:
neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go
no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city
of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God:
and I will write upon him my new name.

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt
be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. (Isaiah 62:2)

-Jerusalem, the future headquarters city of the Earth (Haggai 2:6-8)
-Land Beneath Sea Reclaimed, converted to Jerusalem(Isaiah 60:5, 11:15).
World’s gold and silver reserves under the seas for beautiful decorations there.
-Gods latter house shall be greater than of the former (Haggai 2:9)
-Jerusalem is uniquely describes as being “compact together,” tall 122:3

-Desolate land shall be tilled - will be like the garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:34-35)
-Build the waste cities-fresh produce-drink there own wine-farming (Amos 9:14)
-Waste cities “filled with flocks of men” being very social(Ezekiel 36:36-37-38)
-Superhighways between major cities (Isaiah 19:23)

-Cities being crime-free , dwell safely-none be made afried (Ezekiel 34:28-Micah 4:4)
-No more Violence, nor wasting, nor destruction (Isaiah 60:18)
-Cities overflow with prosperity (Zechariah 1:17) -Equitable property distribution
- every man shall own his vine and fig tree (Micah 4:4-Lev25) and

-“Joy and gladness-thanksgiving-the voice of melody(Isaiah 51:3)(Jeremiah 33:10-11)
-Where old men and old women dwell -full of boys and girls playing (Zechariah 8:4-5)
-No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up (Isaiah 35:9 )
-There will be Shepherds and local animal husbandry (Jer. 33:12)

-Pure Water—Fertile Deserts where trees grow (Isaiah 35:1)
-No more hunger-He will raise up a plant of renown (Ezekiel 34:29)
-A new sharp threshing instrument -the mountains made small(Isaiah 41:14-16)
-If any thrist and seek water, the God of Israel will not forsake them. (ver 17-18)

Trees planted and growing-consider and understand that the [Eternal] hath
done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it” . (Isaiah 41:19-20))

--All will speak the same language, a pure language from God (Zephaniah 3:9).
God will also destroy the idols, Ezekiel 30:13, Micah 5:10-15, Zechariah 13:2

Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst
of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. (Isaiah 14:7)
"All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name."

And He is not one to go back on His word (Isaiah 55:11)

I believe the Bible when it talks about this subject.

 

[The Righterzpen]

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. (Isaiah 14:7)
"All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name."

And He is not one to go back on His word (Isaiah 55:11)

I believe the Bible when it talks about this subject.

AMEN!

 

[The Righterzpen]

And yet the one thing you harp at is it was closed and sealed
till the end time where you saint[single not plural] has the new key.

Really, is he the only one who thinks he knows?

Interesting!

 

[Semper-Fi]

Really, is he the only one who thinks he knows?

Interesting!

He says [only] the last Saints have this knowledge, and [God told him].
But he has never found other Saints (plural) to agree as far as I know.

 

[Jipsah]

You think you are so funny.

I do manage to keep myself amused at your expense.
Wanna refute my contention about the motorcyclists in the Revelation? What's hindering you?
I will confess to violating Proverbs 26:4, though, but purely for the sake of illustration.

A legend in your own mind.

More of a legend in my spare time.

Tell me please
WHAT have I said that you can REFUTE from Scripture.

I haven't made any effort to do so for the same reason you haven't refuted my motorcyclists. By your own made-up rules, if you can't refute my claims using Scripture, as you most obviously cannot, you have to admit them to be true. Time to do one or the other. Put up or shut up. (And we both know that you'll do neither, don't we?)

your words are the JOKE.

Noticed that, did you? Thanks for providing the material!

"The devil…the prowde spirite…cannot endure to be mocked." ― Thomas More

 

[The Righterzpen]

He says [only] the last Saints have this knowledge, and [God told him].
But he has never found other Saints (plural) to agree as far as I know.

Interesting!
I know he said "God told him." And so thus if he really believes that; may explain from a psychological perspective why he's so rude to everyone? But of course if you genuinely believe you're "that special"? (Jim Jones or David Koresh). Then again; Jesus certainly didn't act like that; and He knew He was different!

Personally I think the elect of God have at least some gist of the end of time; even if we don't agree on all of the specifics. But I think it's even possible that the non-elect may have some proximal ability to discern the times too. That was certainly the case with the incarnation. There were era secular sources that recognized Jesus as being an important figure in history. Which included an acknowledgement that Jesus was connected to many "unusual events" in history.

So, I don't think the world will be clueless when Christ does return; (or at least the entire world won't be).

 

[5thKingdom]

And yet the one thing you harp at is it was closed and sealed
till the end time where you saint[single not plural] has the new key.

You pretend I am the only Last Saint.
That is just you pretending

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[Semper-Fi]

Sorry buddy...
you do not get to ERASE 2000 years of Church doctrine
and you do not get to DECIDE which doctrine is Biblical.

You have never explained "the Woman sitting/riding" or controlling [the beast] yet.

 

[5thKingdom]

Semper-Fi said:
He says [only] the last Saints have this knowledge, and [God told him].
But he has never found other Saints (plural) to agree as far as I know.


What a LIE.
I know what other Saints teach the same as me.
YOU do not know them.

And yet you do not hesitate to LIE saying
"he has never found other Saints..."
How sad you are.

Interesting!
I know he said "God told him." And so thus if he really believes that; may explain from a psychological perspective why he's so rude to everyone?

Tell me...
WHO PROMISES the TRUTH of Daniel's prophecies remained "closed-up" and "sealed" from all Saints
until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH at the "Time-of-the-End"...

Was it ME that promised that?
Was it the Word of God that promised that?

I hope this question is not TOO HARD for you to answer.


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[Semper-Fi]

You pretend I am the only Last Saint.
That is just you pretending

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I said: You say only Last Saints know this knowledge, yet you
seem to be the only saint[single]that understands this theory of yours.

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
Sorry buddy...
you do not get to ERASE 2000 years of Church doctrine
and you do not get to DECIDE which doctrine is Biblical.

You have never explained "the Woman sitting/riding" or controlling [the beast] yet.

First, why do you not address my comments?
Why must you DEFLECT instead of respond?

Secondly, I am perfectly able to explain the Woman.
Why should I?


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