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What is Christ's rest?

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This discussion is not the scope of this thread, but somehow can be linked with REST. If we need to discuss other laws we could continue on another thread, perhaps the one I started and that I gave you a link to.

Leviticus 25 primarily deals with the Sabbatical Year (every seventh year) and the Year of Jubilee (every fiftieth year). These were special times ordained by God for the land and the people of Israel, focusing on rest, release, and restoration.
These laws had a purpose at thet time to prevent the perpetual poverty of families and the accumulation of excessive land by a few. The Jubile ensured a periodic redistribution and a fresh start and also to to provide release for those who had become servants due to economic hardship.

Both the Sabbatical and Jubilee years required the Israelites to trust that God would provide for them even when they were not working the land. see the parallel in Exodus 16 about this it all means :"THE LORD WILL PROVIDE" it requires loving Trust on our part. These laws served the israelites to Remember that GOD delivered them from the Egyptians , Please refer to exodus 6:1-11

These laws also reminded the Israelites that the land and they themselves belonged to God and allowed the land to recover its fertility.
These laws were specifically given to the Israelites as they were about to enter the Promised Land.
Just a quick note, the last verse of Leviticus says that they were given at Mount Sinai :heart:

The regulations concerning land ownership and the release of Hebrew servants were particular to their covenant relationship with God and their life in that land.

The specific regulations of Leviticus 25 regarding the Sabbatical and Jubilee years are not directly applicable to Gentile Christians today. These were part of the Old Covenant law given to the nation of Israel thousands of years ago.

The principles behind these laws are still relevant today;
The concept of a Sabbath rest (both for people and even for the environment) is a recurring theme in Scripture and has enduring value. The concern for the poor, the prevention of long-term destitution, and the idea of release or rest and restoration reflect God's character and are principles that believers should consider. Recognizing that all we have ultimately belongs to God should influence how we use our resources.

Blessings
Thank you for the nice message :heart:

I agree we are to keep the principle of that law, but not the letters

Tieing it in with the thread, the position of the OP, as I understand it, is that the Ten commandments teach us how to keep the first and second greatest commandments. The first four, including the Sabbath, teach us how to love God. The last six teach us how to love our neighbor

Since the first four teach us how to love God, and that includes physical rest on the Sabbath, and since the greatest commandment is still in force, then we must physically rest on the Sabbath in order to keep the greatest commandment

I believe the objection is raised by myself and others that other laws teach us how to love God and our neighbor, as well as the Ten

I agree that forgiving debts every 50 years is a good idea, and teaches us how to love our neighbor. But we don't necessarily have to keep that law literally, to the letter

But following the reasoning of the OP, we would have to keep the jubilee law to the letter, unless there is a clear scripture saying that we don't (our sister the OP insists on clear scripture as opposed to opinions)

So thanks again for the message, but I was asking for scriptures :) If we don't have scriptures to support the idea that we don't keep that law anymore, then it looks to me like it falls into the same class as every other commandment... There is a clear scripture or we each personally decide about each commandment :heart:

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Circumcision was not before the Ten Commandments.

God said right in the Ten Commandments that came in a unit of Ten, not 9 or 1 Deut 4:13 this connecting the commandments with Creation.

Exo 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
4th commandment is based from the 7th. That doesn't meant it started at the same time. The commandment first appears in Exodus, some 2000 years after creation.
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, and the Greek word He used means mankind, Hebrew word means Adam and He is speaking of when both man and the Sabbath were made which was at Creation, thus saith the Lord. You can't Remember something if it just started and God told us when it started at Creation Exo 2:11
You are conflating the 4th commandment with the 7th day as though they are the same thing. The 4th is a shadow of the 7th and when determining it's universal qualities we should look to the 7th to define these things. The 4th is about physical rest in practice where the 7th reveals to us the product of a completed work and the antithesis of before light is spoken aligning itself with salvation and spiritual rest. The 4th means these things too, but it echos these values through physical practice.
Why when there is no law there is no sin Rom 4:15. And sin started in heaven so therefore so did God's law 1 John 3:8
Without a universal measure for good/evil it can only have relative meaning. Of course God is that measure so indeed there was concepts of good/evil, righteous/unrighteous since the dawn of time. but if the Sabbath was made for man then we can it shows us it is designed for man and not for anyone else. it being in heaven before creation is arbitrary as its purpose driven for man. This is why it aligns so well salvation which is also holy and designed for man.
God's earthy temple was a miniature of His heavenly Temple Heb 8:1-5 and He told Moses the pattern which to build the earthy temple so God could tabernacle with His people Exodus 25:8. The earthy sanctuary is a blueprint of salvation why His way is the the sanctuary Psalm 77:13
God is spirit, he preexisted before material things. The heavenly copies are of spiritual quality over physical. 1 Cor 15 contrasts the physical and spiritual with regards to the resurrection saying in v44 "If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body" it continues this contrast and in v47 says "The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven." Revealing that things of heaven are not of the physical but of the spiritual. These heavenly copies are also of the spiritual and of a different substance than the physical.
The angels covering the Ten Commandments in the Most Holy was a representation of what is in heaven. Lucifer was a covering cherub meaning he was a literal angel covering the Ten Commandments Eze 28:14 Isa 14:12 he also rebelled against God's law and sinned 1 John 3:8 and unfortunately was able to deceive 1/3 of the angels and our first parents when Eve sinned by coveting something she was not supposed to and stealing something that wasn't hers breaking the Ten Commandments.
Your sources encourage more of a Christian myth mindset. Lucifer is a Latin word, it does not appear prior to Latin translations. It means light bearer and in the Latin text Christ is call Lucifer too. It is a misnomer for Satan, not his proper name. This idea he is covering the 10 commandments is again liberally conflating language so that it fits a very specific interpretation and is irresponsible. Use the language the text uses, not what you want it to say.
Circumcision was not part of Creation, did not start before the Ten Commandments it came after the fall of man.
The only commandment given to man in creation is to be fruitful and multiply v28. Sabbath commandment starts in Exodus.
God still has His Ten Commandments in the Most Holy of His Temple under His mercy seat, where justice and mercy will come together soon. Why we see them revealed at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ Rev 11:18-19 God saying right in the Ten Commandments engraved by His finger Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. A theme throughout the whole Bible up to reconciliation Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
These are of spiritual things not physical, the 10 represent his perfect law, but the 10 itself are innately limited. Jesus himself shows us how they do not address love in his examples in Mat 5, that doesn't meant God's law isn't of love, but the 10 are lacking in that area. Moses shows they are perishable by being able to destroy the first set. Christ's law reveals to us a better way of keeping the God's law. It's his revelation so I have no reason to question it.
 
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I agree we are to keep the principle of that law, but not the letters

Tieing it in with the thread, the position of the OP, as I understand it, is that the Ten commandments teach us how to keep the first and second greatest commandments. The first four, including the Sabbath, teach us how to love God. The last six teach us how to love our neighbor
yes!
Since the first four teach us how to love God, and that includes physical rest on the Sabbath, and since the greatest commandment is still in force, then we must physically rest on the Sabbath in order to keep the greatest commandment
yes, the sabbath is also a test for us to see if we love GOD.
I believe the objection is raised by myself and others that other laws teach us how to love God and our neighbor, as well as the Ten
yes, but the distinction is that the ten commandments are the Core foundation of the LAW, One who masters the principles within these ten commandments can see what is to be applied today to fulfill this covenant.
I agree that forgiving debts every 50 years is a good idea, and teaches us how to love our neighbor. But we don't necessarily have to keep that law literally, to the letter
Correct, but we could remember the principles found in leveticus 25 and apply them. ( ex: give to the poor)
But following the reasoning of the OP, we would have to keep the jubilee law to the letter, unless there is a clear scripture saying that we don't (our sister the OP insists on clear scripture as opposed to opinions)
I do not see this reflected in the opening Post to keep the letter of these laws tailored for the israelites thousands of years ago.
So thanks again for the message, but I was asking for scriptures :) If we don't have scriptures to support the idea that we don't keep that law anymore, then it looks to me like it falls into the same class as every other commandment... There is a clear scripture or we each personally decide about each commandment :heart:

We do have scripture that support without a doubt that we have to keep the commandments (Mark 10:18-28, Mat 5:17-20, Mat 19:17-19 and more)

They key is to see the Ten Commandments for what they are, the core of everything else we are to put in practice, it is why GOD Himself wrote these Commandments with his finger on the tables of stone placed in the ark of the Covenant because the Ten commandments are the essence of the Covenant. they are a moral compass or guide from which we can grow and get closer to GOD.
Blessings to you as
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Peace be with you.
 
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yes!

yes, the sabbath is also a test for us to see if we love GOD.
yes, but the distinction is that the ten commandments are the Core foundation of the LAW,
Is there a scripture that states this?

...One who masters the principles within these ten commandments can see what is to be applied today to fulfill this covenant.

Correct, but we could remember the principles found in leveticus 25 and apply them. ( ex: give to the poor)
I do not see this reflected in the opening Post to keep the letter of these laws tailored for the israelites thousands of years ago.
OP as an original poster, the person :heart:

We do have scripture that support without a doubt that we have to keep the commandments (Mark 10:18-28, Mat 5:17-20, Mat 19:17-19 and more)

They key is to see the Ten Commandments for what they are, the core of everything else we are to put in practice, it is why GOD Himself wrote these Commandments with his finger on the tables of stone placed in the ark of the Covenant because the Ten commandments are the essence of the Covenant. they are a moral compass or guide from which we can grow and get closer to GOD.

Peace be with you.
 
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Is there a scripture that states this?
:heart:
Yes, all over the bible, it provides compelling evidence that the Ten Commandments are not merely a collection of rules, but a special and foundational core for all subsequent laws. This distinct status is highlighted by their unique divine authorship and inscription. Unlike the vast majority of other laws given through Moses, God Himself directly spoke the Ten Commandments to the Israelites at Mount Sinai, as recorded in Exodus 20:1-17. Furthermore, their divine origin is underscored by their direct inscription: "And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God" (Exodus 31:18). This direct divine inscription sets them apart from all other Mosaic legislation.
Their unparalleled significance is further demonstrated by their placement within the most sacred object of Israelite worship. The stone tablets bearing the Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, as commanded by God: "You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you" (Exodus 25:21;3 see also Deuteronomy 10:2, 5). This placement signifies their centrality to the covenant relationship between God and Israel, distinguishing them as the very heart of the covenant.
Beyond their origin and placement, the Ten Commandments serve as the foundational principles from which more detailed laws are derived. Many biblical scholars understand them as a concise summary of God's will concerning both humanity's relationship with Him and with one another. Jesus Christ himself affirmed their supreme importance when asked about the greatest commandment, stating: "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 22:37-40). This teaching indicates that the entire body of biblical law finds its essence and direction in the overarching principles encapsulated by the Ten Commandments.
The enduring importance of the Ten Commandments is also evident in their repetition in Deuteronomy 5:6-21, as the Israelites stood on the cusp of entering the Promised Land. This reiteration served as a powerful reminder of their foundational role in the national life and future of Israel, emphasizing that these laws were not merely transient but essential for their covenant relationship with God and their societal well-being. Thus, the biblical narrative consistently presents the Ten Commandments as special, divinely ordained, and the core foundation for all laws that followed within the Israelite covenant. I strongly encourage you to find a good library and research the topic further, it is quite fascinating. Let the Holy spirit guide you, and you will know the truth.

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Yes, all over the bible, it provides compelling evidence that the Ten Commandments are not merely a collection of rules, but a special and foundational core for all subsequent laws. This distinct status is highlighted by their unique divine authorship and inscription.
Unlike the vast majority of other laws given through Moses, God Himself directly spoke the Ten Commandments to the Israelites at Mount Sinai, as recorded in Exodus 20:1-17.
Thank you for the nice post :heart:

Please remember that we're looking for a scripture that states "the ten commandments are the Core foundation of the LAW"

Let's start with the idea of God speaking

The Lord called to Moses, and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and tell them... Leviticus 1

Is there a scripture that states that if God speaks something to Israel that it is then a core foundation, as opposed to speaking something to a prophet?

Furthermore, their divine origin is underscored by their direct inscription: "And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God" (Exodus 31:18). This direct divine inscription sets them apart from all other Mosaic legislation.
Their unparalleled significance is further demonstrated by their placement within the most sacred object of Israelite worship. The stone tablets bearing the Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, as commanded by God: "You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you" (Exodus 25:21;3 see also Deuteronomy 10:2, 5). This placement signifies their centrality to the covenant relationship between God and Israel, distinguishing them as the very heart of the covenant.
Beyond their origin and placement, the Ten Commandments serve as the foundational principles from which more detailed laws are derived. Many biblical scholars understand them as a concise summary of God's will concerning both humanity's relationship with Him and with one another. Jesus Christ himself affirmed their supreme importance when asked about the greatest commandment, stating: "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 22:37-40). This teaching indicates that the entire body of biblical law finds its essence and direction in the overarching principles encapsulated by the Ten Commandments.
The enduring importance of the Ten Commandments is also evident in their repetition in Deuteronomy 5:6-21, as the Israelites stood on the cusp of entering the Promised Land. This reiteration served as a powerful reminder of their foundational role in the national life and future of Israel, emphasizing that these laws were not merely transient but essential for their covenant relationship with God and their societal well-being. Thus, the biblical narrative consistently presents the Ten Commandments as special, divinely ordained, and the core foundation for all laws that followed within the Israelite covenant. I strongly encourage you to find a good library and research the topic further, it is quite fascinating. Let the Holy spirit guide you, and you will know the truth.

Blessings
 
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4th commandment is based from the 7th. That doesn't meant it started at the same time. The commandment first appears in Exodus, some 2000 years after creation. You are conflating the 4th commandment with the 7th day as though they are the same thing. The 4th is a shadow of the 7th and when determining it's universal qualities we should look to the 7th to define these things. The 4th is about physical rest in practice where the 7th reveals to us the product of a completed work and the antithesis of before light is spoken aligning itself with salvation and spiritual rest. The 4th means these things too, but it echos these values through physical practice.
I am going to stick with God's own Testimony both written and spoken on this matter, as our ideas and opinions are not the same.

God clearly stated in the 4th commandment that the Sabbath, started at Creation.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Genesis 2:1-3 2 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

If we can't get past these basic facts, than nothing else about God's Ten Commandments is going to make sense.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree
 
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I posted this a while back, thought I would post again

Happy Sabbath!

Many Christians, including myself a while ago, believe that God first made His Ten Commandments known on mount Sinai. However, in this blog post, we are going to show that God ‘covertly’ revealed the Ten Commandments in the beginning, in the Garden of Eden to Adam and Eve, our first parents. It is a Revelation by Grace!

But how was this discovery made? Ironically, we discovered it in the last book of the Bible, in the book of Revelations 3:14-22, the letter to the church of Laodicea.

In the letter to the church of Laodicea, Jesus Christ addresses the church of today, the last church period in church history, the church of Laodicea, and states that it is naked and needs to buy of Him white raiment to cover the shame of its nakedness.

So the question we have to ask is, how did the church of Laodicea become naked in the first place, and what is this white raiment Jesus Christ strongly recommended as the remedy to our state of nakedness?

After going through the Bible, we discover there’s a similar situation of nakedness and white raiments in the book of Genesis in the story of Adam and Eve. Meaning if we study what occurred in the Garden of Eden that caused Adam and Eve to become naked, we can understand why the church of Laodicea is naked today. But wait a minute? How were Adam and Eve clothed at their creation in the first place before they became naked? From Psalm 8:5 and Isaiah 61:10, we learn that at their creation, God clothed Adam and Eve with glory and honor in garments of light (white), which represented the righteousness of God. So basically, God clothed Adam and Eve just as He and the angels were, in garments of white or light.

So the next logical question is that what then is the Righteousness of God? From Psalm 119:172, Isaiah 51:6-7, 1 John 5:17 and 1 John 3:4, we learn that the Righteousness of God is His everlasting covenant, the Ten Commandments, which is His Holy law. Not the Mosaic law! There’s a difference between the two.

This means that in the Garden of Eden, God clothed Adam and Eve with His Holy Law, which was represented by the white garments, and when they sinned and disobeyed Him, they lost that robe of righteousness and became naked! By eating the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which God commanded them not to eat, Adam and Eve sinned and broke the Ten Commandments in the Garden of Eden, therefore losing the garment of white, which is the righteousness of God.


Now that we are on the same page, we can now proceed to tackle the question, which of the Ten Commandments did Adam and Eve break? The answer is the full monty, all the ten at once!

“Thou shalt not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,” cannot be found in the 10 Commandments, however, in the simple statement, “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die,” God places all the principles of the 10 Commandments.

The purpose of this blog post is to show by eating of that fruit, Adam and Eve broke all the ten commandments.

The first point we have to consider is the Bible’s definition of sin found in 1 John 3:4 “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law,” meaning whenever we sin, we transgress an element of the Ten Commandments.

The second point to note is that the law of God is spiritual, according to Romans 7:14, where Paul states, “For we know that the Law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.” Why is the Law of God spiritual? We find the answer in Jesus’s conversation with the Samaritan woman in John 4:24, “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” Since the Creator of the universe and author of the 10 Commandments is Spirit, it is just natural that the document He authored is also in Spirit.

Usually, when we think of the 10 Commandments, we look at it literally as a list of 10 to do things. However, when we look at it from a spiritual point of view, we see that it’s more than ten and more profound than we can imagine. The number 10 in the Bible symbolizes ordinal perfection in the totality of God’s government. Psalm 119:96 states, “I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.” It is limitless and encompasses every sin under the universe, and the angels are also subject to it just as we are. It is similar to the parables of the ten virgins (Matt 25:1-13), the ten lepers (Luke 17:11-19), the ten talents (Matt 25:14-30), and the ten minas (Luke 19:12-27). The number ten used in all these parables are prophetic and symbolic of the totality of the faithful.

Also, the law being Spirit should not be surprising because even laws written by humans is said to be in letter and Spirit. Constitutions of nations and governments are argued both in letter and spirit, so how much more the law that was written by God, who is Spirit? The Spirit of the law is the profound purpose, intention, and reasoning behind the letter of the law that we see. It is the part of the law that we do not see, but the more critical component of the law. Whenever we change the letter of the law it means that we have also changed the reason and original intent, which is the foundation upon which the law sits, which is the most critical aspect of the law. That is why the Lord warned us in Proverbs 22:28, “Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.” An example between letter and spirit of the law at home when your parents tell their teenagers not to have premarital sex until they are responsible adults. The teenager may not be happy and understand because they want to experience it. However, the spirit behind the law is that the parent is protecting their adolescent child from getting teenage pregnancy, which could derail their education and future stability or contracting an STD, which could end their life.

Part 2 to follow…
 
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Also, the difference in the letter and spirit of the law can be found in the criminal code in most countries where you can be charged with conspiracy to commit a crime, whether murder or stealing or any other crime under the criminal code.

Having explained the Letter and Spirit of the law, we can now move on to examine what occurred in the Garden.

From Genesis 3:6 “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”

The Tenth Commandment

From the above quote, we see that Eve coveted or lusted after the fruit when “she saw that the tree was good for food, and “it was pleasant to the eyes” as well as “a tree to be desired to make one wise.” Eve coveted God’s fruit and broke the tenth commandment which says “17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor’s.” (Exodus 20:17)

Eve did not only covet the fruit of God, but she also wanted the knowledge which belonged to God, which is the knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve sinfully lusted after what was not theirs and sinfully desired to be like God themselves. Even though they were tempted and deceived by the Serpent, which is the devil and Satan, to take the fruit and eat, we also learn from James, that every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his lust and enticed. James 1:13-15 “13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” So before Satan’s deception, he had probably observed their own desires of the fruit before hatching his plan to cause their fall.

Coveteousness or the sin of lust is the primary basis of all other sins committed by man. In Romans 7, Paul states that he was first convicted of sin, the sin of lust by the law, which said Thou shalt not covet. It is from covetousness that people steal, kill, and commit adultery. It is from coveteousness that we find greed or selfishness, envy, and jealousy. We fall into the sin of covetousness or lust when we are not content with what our Creator God has already given us. 1 Timothy 66 “But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” When we show discontent, we become ungrateful to God, who has provided us with everything and also tells us to be anxious about nothing but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, we should make our requests be made known to Him. (Philippians 4:6)


Adam and Eve were not content with all the fruit trees of the Garden of Eden, which God had given them to eat for food. They became blinded in their lust and desire for the fruit and knowledge of God and thus broke the tenth commandment, which says Thou shalt not covet.

The Second Commandment

From Colossians 3, we learn that coveteousness is idolatry, therefore by breaking the tenth commandment, Adam and Eve automatically broke the second commandment, which speaks of idolatry. Paul states in Colossians 3, “Put to death, therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.”

How is covetousness idolatry someone might ask? It is easy to see how Adam and Eve were blinded by desire and lust for the fruit of God. The fruit became the object of desire and attention. Anything that becomes our object of extreme admiration, love, desire, and attention is an idol. It becomes an idol because it replaces the role of God in our lives. As creation and children of God, He must be our object of admiration and desire and worhsip. Adam and Eve became blinded to everything else God had provided for them in the Garden, and their only focus and object of desire became the fruit of God and the knowledge of good and evil. The second commandment states “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.” (Exodus 20:4-6).

God considers anyone who commits idolatry to hate him. Most Christians know that idolotry in the form of bowing down an object is a sin. However, many of us are oblivious to the more critical aspect of committing spiritual idolatry when we make other objects or entities the center of our desire or attention or admiration. It can be our children, wives or loved ones, favorite artiste, or a coveted position or any inanimate object.

A perfect example of how coveteousness leads to idolatry is the fall of Lucifer or Satan, which found in Isaiah 14: 12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”



Satan, formerly Lucifer, a creation of God, coveted the throne of God and also wanted to be worshipped like God. He was a beautifully created mighty angel who covered the throne of God (anointed cherub). His was not satisfied with his position in heaven and desire to be like God. His desire, selfishness, and greed blinded him to all the gifts God had already endowed him. His selfishness shows in verse above where everything was about him, I, I, I, I, I…..5 I’s, he failed to see anything else but the throne of God in his sight. This desire led Lucifer to rebel against God, causing him to be cast out of heaven and become Satan, the adversery. He is the chief Idolator who desires worship and control everything else, and now he’s deceived fallen human race to worship him instead of our Creator God. The reason why we worship God is that He is our Creator and provider in all things. However, when we commit idolatry, we worship the creation instead of the Creator himself. Adam and Eve committed idolatry because the object of their desire and worship become the fruit of God instead of God, their Creator, who gave them everything.

The First Commandment

Whenever we commit idolatry, we automatically break the first commandment which states that “thou shalt have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3)

By listening to the Serpent, Adam and Eve put their faith in Satan, the god of this world, instead of the Lord, who made Heaven and Earth and created them in His image and provided them everything. They put another god ahead of their Creator; they chose another god. Moreover, through unbelief Adam also put himself before God, desiring to be wise “like God,” knowing good and evil. He put the Serpent, his Wife, and Himself before God. Triple error!

The Third Commandment

The third commandment states, “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.” God’s name (YHVH) is Holy and reflects his character. He is the Lord, our Provider (Jireh), our Shalom (Peace), He is Lord Almighty (El Shaddai), He’s Healer (Rapha), Most High God (El Elyon), etc., etc., the characteristics of God are innumerable.

When we take God’s name in vain, we fail to acknowledge God for who he is. When we take God’s name in vain, we treat God, his Word, or his work in the world in a way that demeans him and robs him of his infinite glory. Adam and Eve took the name of God in vain when they portrayed their Creator to be mean and ungenerous. “And the woman said unto the serpent; We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.”


God was generous as He provided Adam and Eve with all the fruit trees in the garden and only left one to himself. However, Eve portrayed the Lord as a wicked Father who even did not want them to touch his fruit. They mischaracterized God in front of Satan, who capitalized on it to deceive her.

The Fifth Commandment

The fifth commandment states that “Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.” (Exodus 20:12) When Adam and Eve broke the third commandment taking the name of the Lord in Vain, they dishonored their Father and Creator in front of the Serpent. God never told them not to touch of the fruit of the tree, by mentioning that Eve portrayed God to be a wicked Father who did not want His children even to touch his fruit. As a result of that, their days in the land (garden of Eden) were not long but cut short. Even though Adam and Eve lived long, their lives were full of toil and hardship due to their sin.

The Ninth Commandment

“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” (Exodus 20:16) As a result of using God’s name in vain, Adam and Eve also bore false witness to God. Adam and Eve misquoted their father as God never told them even not to touch the fruit. As witnesses of God, we have to be witnesses to the truth. Whenever we misquote, misinterpret, or misrepresent any portion of God’s Word, we bear false witness to God and become false witnesses or false prophets, which is sin.

The Six Commandment

“Thou shalt do no murder.” (Exodus 20:13) Adam and Eve brought death into the world by their act of eating the fruit of the tree. First, Adam had to kill a lamb, then later, Cain murdered Abel, etc.

The Seventh Command ent

“Thou shalt not commit adultery.” (Exodus 20:14) God’s children, Adam and Eve, were also the bride of God. From Isaiah 54, scripture tells us that “For thy Maker is thine husband.” Being the wife of God, Adam and Eve should have been faithful to God, their husband. However, by listening to Satan, they entertained another entity and listened to the commands of another ‘man’ who was not their husband and became unfaithful committing adultery spiritually against God. The Serpent, Satan, who is the adversary of God, had his way with God’s bride. How does that make God look? Very very bad and very weak. Whenever we listen to another entity besides our Creator God, we commit adultery or fornication.



Adam and Eve, therefore, lusted after another, the word of the Serpent and his ways, and by eating a piece of the forbidden fruit, they violated the seventh commandment. Whenever we forsake the Word of God and follow after commandments outside the Word of God, we commit adultery or fornication, which the Bible in the book Revelation says will be the greatest sin of the church.

The Eighth Commandment

“Thou shalt not steal.” (Exodus 20:15) By eating from God’s tree, Adam and Eve stole from God. They intended to take the knowledge that belonged to God. Adam and Eve became thieves when they ate God’s fruit, violating the eighth commandment.

The Fourth Commandment

The final commandment Adam and Eve broke was the fourth commandment, the seventh-day Sabbath commandment. The commandment to keep the Seventh-day day Holy, like all the other nine commandments, has a literal interpretation and a spiritual element to it. The commandment states the following: “8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days, the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.” (Exodus 20:8-11) It is the longest commandment covering four verses.

The reason God commanded us to keep holy the Sabbath day is stated in verse 11, pointing towards His six-day creation work and Yahweh’s position as the Creator or Maker of Heavens and the Earth. The reason we worship Yahweh is that He Created us as stated in Psalm 95, “O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.” (Psalms 95:6)

The Word Sabbath contains the name of our father ABBA; it is the day of our father. Abba in Hebrew stands for foundation, Source, sustainer, protector, all characteristics of God (Strong's Hebrew: 1. אָב (ab) -- father). The entire planet originated from God, which makes him the foundation of everything. Everything comes from God, which makes him the Source. He sustains and upholds everything that comes out of his mouth, which makes him Sustainer and Protector.



When we give Him reverence and worship by obeying his Word, we affirm His role as the Creator, Foundation, Source, Sustainer, and Protector of our lives. Adam and Eve instead gave reverence to the Serpent and followed his word against the Word of God. Adam and Eve, in effect, gave the role of Creator, Foundation, Source, Sustainer and Protector to the Serpent and thus broke the Sabbath Commandment, which shows that Yahweh is our Abba Father.

That is a long piece, but we can see from the preceding that Adam and Eve’s sin of disobeying God’s command not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was very grievous in the sight of the Lord and was not simply the eating of a forbidden fruit. The sin led God to drive them out of the garden of Eden and away from the tree of life.

If the Ten Commandments were in existence from the Garden of Eden, then it is still applicable today and was not only given to the Jews on Mount Sinai. It is the Righteousness of God from the beginning of the world; it is the righteousness of God in heaven; it is the righteousness of God now and will be the Righteousness of God in heaven and earth made new. Do not be deceived by anyone who says God has changed any part of it or removed any part of it. God does not change; He is the same yesterday today and forever. Amen!

 
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I am going to stick with God's own Testimony both written and spoken on this matter, as our ideas and opinions are not the same.

God clearly stated in the 4th commandment that the Sabbath, started at Creation.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The commandment looks back to creation and references it as "the Sabbath day" this word "Sabbath" is a noun and what is biblical used to reference the name of the day. This word does not occur in Genesis, which instead uses the verb for sabbath.

This alone does not retroactively demand the sabbath commandment over the 7th day. The fact the 4th commandment references the 7th day as also the Sabbath can have some merit, but is too weak to superimpose the commandment over the 7th day as well. These are all very loose and weak arguments, the fact remains is sabbath commandment is given in Exodus, not Genesis. We would need something a little more explicit to conclude the commandment was expected on the 7th day as well.

Failing this commandment or earlier references with manna in Exodus, we have no instruction on what to do on each 7th day. The account with manna establishes that this idea of rest on the 7th day was a new idea that was not practiced, but if the 10 was not given (or the manna event), we would not know what to do on the 7th day. What we would know is to not worship other Gods or make idols, or use God's name in vain (that should be pretty clear when you dedicate yourself to God). We would know to honour our parents, we would know not to murder each other, lie, steal, covet or sleep with our neighbours wife. all of these things are moralistic in nature and can be naturally discovered without instruction. But the 4th requires instruction in order to know what to do. Failing this instruction the 7th day descriptions in Genesis does not lead us to sabbath law practice.

Genesis 2:1-3 2 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

If we can't get past these basic facts, than nothing else about God's Ten Commandments is going to make sense.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree
the 7th day is the mark of completed work. God's rests because the work is finished and there can be no rest without completed work. If I am hammering a nail and finish hammering, I set the hammer down. The hammer and my hammering action is now rested. Rest is an innate product of completed work. The 7th day shows us a deeper meaning of what this day means. The entire creation account is in a chiastic pattern which makes it very intentionally written and crafted in a specific order. This day is about the answer and even final ruin to the unformed darkness that was. It is made holy because the work is divine and it is complete. We started as vessels of darkness, light is spoken into us, starting a sanctification process that ends with us no longer being vessels of darkness now transformed as vessels of light and called holy with God's completed work in us. This is the sabbath day, the 4th's design is to echo these sentiments through a physical analogy of rest but the focus is of a spiritual product not a physical one.
 
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Interesting passage that I think relates, God appointed a teaching in Israel

For he established a covenant in Jacob, and appointed a teaching in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children Psalm 78
 
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The commandment looks back to creation and references it as "the Sabbath day" this word "Sabbath" is a noun and what is biblical used to reference the name of the day. This word does not occur in Genesis, which instead uses the verb for sabbath.
When the God of the Universe tells us verbatim and in this case both written and spoken by God, something so simple

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

It doesn't matter if this is in Genesis or Revelation, God defined when the Sabbath is and it is the seventh day.

God wanted us to be sure we understood this, so He connected the seventh day at Creation to the Sabbath right in the 4th commandment. Again written and spoken by God, the Creator of everything, including all days and what they are for and how we should keep them, thus saith the Lord

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, (Creation) and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. He used the Sabbath and the seventh day interchangeable right from Creation, when God made everything according to His perfect plan.

God never took this back in all of Scripture, why the seventh day is still the Sabbath throughout the entire Bible because once God defines something, man should not take it upon themselves to re-define. There is even a verse about this very thing.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.

Pro 30:5 Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

The whole Bible is about the testimony of Jesus Christ though the prophets and apostles. Yet, when it comes to God's own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 , the Ten Commandments Deut 4:13 people want to lay them aside for their own comfortable traditions. This has never worked out for anyone in Scripture, its doesn't seem like its going work out well for anyone once Jesus returns according to His own words Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Rev 22:11, faith is all about believing what He said, even if it doesn't always make sense to us.


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, Seal the law among my disciples.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
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Thank you for the nice post :heart:

Please remember that we're looking for a scripture that states "the ten commandments are the Core foundation of the LAW"
there is no such scripture "the ten commandments are the Core foundation of the LAW" only a detailed account that GOD himself, in person wrote the ten commandments on 2 tables of stone with his one finger. God told Moses to have an Ark to be built to contain the ten commandments that are the covenant. as described below;

The Ark of the Testimony ( Exodus 25:10-25)​

10 “And they shall make an ark of acacia wood; two and a half cubits shall be its length, a cubit and a half its width, and a cubit and a half its height. 11 And you shall overlay it with pure gold, inside and out you shall overlay it, and shall make on it a molding of gold all around. 12 You shall cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in its four corners; two rings shall be on one side, and two rings on the other side. 13 And you shall make poles of acacia wood, and overlay them with gold. 14 You shall put the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark, that the ark may be carried by them. 15 The poles shall be in the rings of the ark; they shall not be taken from it. 16 And you shall put into the ark the Testimony which I will give you.


17 “You shall make a mercy seat of pure gold; two and a half cubits shall be its length and a cubit and a half its width. 18 And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim at the two ends of it of one piece with the mercy seat. 20 And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and they shall face one another; the faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat. 21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you. 22 And there I will meet with you, and I will speak with you from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are on the ark of the Testimony, about everything which I will give you in commandment to the children of Israel.

Note that the ark was covered with the Mercy seat covered bu 2 cherubims, it is there that GOD himself appeared and spoke to Moses, just above the ten commandments, furthermore the ark was seen in a future prophecy (Revelations 11:19) showing the greatest importance of these commandments.


Let's start with the idea of God speaking

The Lord called to Moses, and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and tell them... Leviticus 1

Is there a scripture that states that if God speaks something to Israel that it is then a core foundation, as opposed to speaking something to a prophet?
Yes but not directly like you would like, GOD himself wrote the ten commandments, these are eternal ( tables of stone) , Moses wrote the rest of the law ( parchment, not permanent placed OUTSIDE of the ark )

The Ten Commandments, spoken directly by God and then written on tablets of stone by His finger certainly formed the foundational principles of the covenant relationship between God and Israel. They are presented as the core obligations of this relationship.

I think you already know all this so why ask?
 
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Yes but not directly like you would like, GOD himself wrote the ten commandments, these are eternal ( tables of stone) , Moses wrote the rest of the law ( parchment, not permanent placed OUTSIDE of the ark )
Not all commandments are initially written down but instead survived through oral tradition ordained through mechanisms other than etched in stone. For example the covenant between God and Abraham in Gen 15 where a blazing torch appears and passes between cuts of sacrafice meat, that covenant is then further radified with circumsion in Gen 17, described as an everlasting covenant between Abraham and his descendants with circunsion in the flesh as it's sign.

It is a powerful covenant ordination between God and Abraham with shared roles between the two. The passing through the meat after Abraham has been waiting for hours, even falling into a deep sleep and a darkness falling over him to then be answered by a blazing torch passing through the cut pieces. the waiting, the anticipation and God carefully choosing the moment. Then for Abraham to be charged with circumcision and to answer with him and his household. It sends chills down your spine to grasp the gravity and power of the moment.

Why then is this moment considered less than the covenant of the 10. The 10 indeed is its own powerful account... but better than the Abrahamic covenant event? It feels like an apples and oranges type of comparison, God in both circumstances has deep meaning and purpose in these acts and I'm not about to rank them to determine which parts of God are better.

So why this culture of putting the 10 above all else? Does this not rob us of experiencing more of the greatness of God? How does the text tell you this is God's greatest moment?
 
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Not all commandments are initially written down but instead survived through oral tradition ordained through mechanisms other than etched in stone. For example the covenant between God and Abraham in Gen 15 where a blazing torch appears and passes between cuts of sacrafice meat, that covenant is then further radified with circumsion in Gen 17, described as an everlasting covenant between Abraham and his descendants with circunsion in the flesh as it's sign.

It is a powerful covenant ordination between God and Abraham with shared roles between the two. The passing through the meat after Abraham has been waiting for hours, even falling into a deep sleep and a darkness falling over him to then be answered by a blazing torch passing through the cut pieces. the waiting, the anticipation and God carefully choosing the moment. Then for Abraham to be charged with circumcision and to answer with him and his household. It sends chills down your spine to grasp the gravity and power of the moment.

Why then is this moment considered less than the covenant of the 10. The 10 indeed is its own powerful account... but better than the Abrahamic covenant event? It feels like an apples and oranges type of comparison, God in both circumstances has deep meaning and purpose in these acts and I'm not about to rank them to determine which parts of God are better.

So why this culture of putting the 10 above all else? Does this not rob us of experiencing more of the greatness of God? How does the text tell you this is God's greatest moment?
That is a deeply thoughtful and spiritually sensitive question. You're right to pause in wonder before both the Abrahamic covenant and the giving of the Ten Commandments. Both moments are filled with divine presence, deep meaning, and a call to relationship. To approach your question theologically, let us look at how Scripture presents both covenants—not to compare their greatness as if one diminishes the other, but to understand their place in the unfolding plan of God.

In Genesis 15, God binds Himself to Abraham through an ancient covenant ritual. Though Abraham is asleep, the burning torch—symbolizing God’s presence—passes alone through the cut pieces. This is not a shared human-divine contract, but a divine promise: God is binding Himself unconditionally. Abraham believed, and it was counted as righteousness (Genesis 15:6). Then, in Genesis 17, God adds a sign in the flesh—circumcision—as a visible mark of the covenant for all generations of Abraham’s seed.

Now consider the giving of the Ten Commandments in Exodus 19–20. This is not just a covenant with one man and his descendants, but with a whole people, a nation formed by deliverance from slavery. And the setting is terrifyingly divine: thunder, fire, a voice like a trumpet. God does not just pass through the pieces—He descends upon the mountain. He speaks audibly, and the people tremble. And then, in Exodus 31:18, God gives the tablets written with His own finger. This is unique in all of Scripture. Never before or after does God write anything Himself and give it to mankind.

But here’s the key: these covenants are not in competition. Rather, they are stages in one continuous revelation. The Abrahamic covenant is the foundation of relationship—God chooses, God promises, God blesses the nations through Abraham’s seed. The Sinai covenant, including the Ten Commandments, builds upon that by giving instruction on how a redeemed people live in holiness and justice with God and one another.

And Jesus affirms both. He says of the law: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17, NKJV). And He is Himself the seed of Abraham, the fulfillment of the promise (Luke 1:72–73). He perfectly lives out the law given at Sinai, not setting one covenant above another, but embodying them both in Himself.

So when the Ten Commandments are emphasized, it is not to make the Abrahamic covenant seem less. Rather, it is because they are the only words God spoke directly to an entire people and then wrote with His own hand (Exodus 20:1; 31:18). That gives them a unique place—not in value over Abraham’s covenant—but in how they function. They are the revealed foundation of a holy life for those already in relationship with God.

Lastly, the Scriptures never ask us to rank God's works. Instead, we are invited to remember them all (Deuteronomy 8:2), to meditate on them (Psalm 77:11–12), and to walk in their light. Each covenant is a part of God's unfolding love story with humanity. The awe of Genesis 15 and 17 should still send chills down our spine, just as Sinai does. Together, they help us see more fully the greatness of God—not less.

So rather than diminishing one moment in favor of another, let us behold the beauty of how God revealed Himself step by step, covenant by covenant, each moment radiating His faithfulness, justice, and love.
 
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there is no such scripture "the ten commandments are the Core foundation of the LAW"
Then I believe it would be an opinion

...only a detailed account that GOD himself, in person wrote the ten commandments on 2 tables of stone with his one finger. God told Moses to have an Ark to be built to contain the ten commandments that are the covenant. as described below;

The Ark of the Testimony ( Exodus 25:10-25)​

10 “And they shall make an ark of acacia wood; two and a half cubits shall be its length, a cubit and a half its width, and a cubit and a half its height. 11 And you shall overlay it with pure gold, inside and out you shall overlay it, and shall make on it a molding of gold all around. 12 You shall cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in its four corners; two rings shall be on one side, and two rings on the other side. 13 And you shall make poles of acacia wood, and overlay them with gold. 14 You shall put the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark, that the ark may be carried by them. 15 The poles shall be in the rings of the ark; they shall not be taken from it. 16 And you shall put into the ark the Testimony which I will give you.


17 “You shall make a mercy seat of pure gold; two and a half cubits shall be its length and a cubit and a half its width. 18 And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim at the two ends of it of one piece with the mercy seat. 20 And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and they shall face one another; the faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat. 21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you. 22 And there I will meet with you, and I will speak with you from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are on the ark of the Testimony, about everything which I will give you in commandment to the children of Israel.

Note that the ark was covered with the Mercy seat covered bu 2 cherubims, it is there that GOD himself appeared and spoke to Moses, just above the ten commandments, furthermore the ark was seen in a future prophecy (Revelations 11:19) showing the greatest importance of these commandments.



Yes but not directly like you would like, GOD himself wrote the ten commandments, these are eternal ( tables of stone) , Moses wrote the rest of the law ( parchment, not permanent placed OUTSIDE of the ark )
The Ten Commandments, spoken directly by God and then written on tablets of stone by His finger certainly formed the foundational principles of the covenant relationship between God and Israel.
This is an assertion. When we want things to be true, it is easy to see them in the scriptures :heart:

They are presented as the core obligations of this relationship.
I think you already know all this so why ask?
To point out that it is an opinion :heart:

Turn to the law and to the covenant! If they don’t speak according to this word, surely there is no morning for them Isaiah 8
 
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Since there is no scripture that states that "the ten commandments are the Core foundation of the LAW", and since there are other laws that also teach us how to love God and love our neighbor,

then we must keep all those other laws

One of those laws is to forgive debts every 50 years. Since there is no scripture that says not to do that anymore, we have to do that just as much as observe the seventh day

The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple Psalm 19
 
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Since there is no scripture that states that "the ten commandments are the Core foundation of the LAW", and since there are other laws that also teach us how to love God and love our neighbor,

then we must keep all those other laws

One of those laws is to forgive debts every 50 years. Since there is no scripture that says not to do that anymore, we have to do that just as much as observe the seventh day

The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple Psalm 19
Leaf to keep all these laws is not possible today, how will you do your sacrifices for sin in what Temple? some of these laws are certainly good and could be kept but some simply cannot at this time.
 
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Leaf to keep all these laws is not possible today, how will you do your sacrifices for sin in what Temple? some of these laws are certainly good and could be kept but some simply cannot at this time.
The ones that you can keep? Will you keep all of them?

Psalm 119:29 Keep me from the way of deceit. Grant me your law graciously
 
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The ones that you can keep? Will you keep all of them?

Psalm 119:29 Keep me from the way of deceit. Grant me your law graciously
like I nentionned, you cannot keep all of them , I am talking here of the laws of Moses for that time not the ten commandments. The ten Commandments are the covenant! this is not from me, if appears in scripture 4 or 5 times where GOD said the ten commandments are the covenant. I offered to you to discuss these on another thread since what we are discussing is off topic, the offer is still valid.

Signing off until tomorrow, have a good evening Leaf.

Blessings.
 
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