What is Christ's rest?

[SabbathBlessings]

Something can be both a ritual and a commandment

Aaron shall put on the holy linen tunic. He shall have the linen trousers on his body, and shall put on the linen sash, and he shall be clothed with the linen turban Leviticus 16

Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering you didn’t desire. You have opened my ears

Please find one verse that says the Sabbath commandment is a ritual or ceremonial law and not one of God's Ten Commandments. If you can't find it I would suggest considering Pro 30:5-6

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is what Christ said in His own Words about the Sabbath

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

Jesus said keeping the Sabbath is keeping justice and doing righteousness

Christ righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142

Why when He comes in the Clouds in all His Glory our fates already sealed , sadly many will never came to the Truth of God's Word, that all His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 including the Sabbath and stopped listening to the Holy Spirit calling us our of our rebellion and sin Heb 3:7-8

And this is the result

Rev 22:11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

No wonder why justice and righteousness is the foundation of God's Throne which Christ in His own Words relates to keeping the Sabbath Isa 56:1-2

Psa 89:14 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne;
Mercy and truth go before Your face.

This is what we want to hear when Jesus comes back

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Not this:
Mat 7:23 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

It all a matter of whose voice we are going to listen to and whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16

 

[Leaf473]

Please find one verse that says the Sabbath commandment is a ritual or ceremonial law and not one of God's Ten Commandments. If you can't find it I would suggest considering Pro 30:5-6

Are you asking me to talk to you about the law?

 

[DamianWarS]

Regarding the Royal Law they come directly from the Ten Commandments. Paul called it the summary, the Royal Law of course includes both the Greatest Commandments to love God and love man, but quoting one of the greatest commandments we know they mean both. Just like when quoting from one of the Ten Commandments, we know they came in a unit of

You've got that backwards. Christ says "all the law and prophets hang upon these two commandments" (Mat 22:40) Christ does not say these two commandments come from the 10 (which is found nowhere in scripture) but rather the 10 (and the rest of the law and prophets) come from these 2 laws.

What Christ reveals is a universal (unchanging) construct that covenant law (temporary) is based on. With regards to the sabbath and questions regarding how in practice does Christ law look like Christ answers this specifically affirming that doing good (goodness that is synonymous with Christ's law) is lawful practice on the Sabbath even if it means the act of doing good involves work it still is lawful practice.

Since our rest action on the Sabbath cannot fulfill the sabbath because we cannot complete the work why not do an action that can fulfill the Sabbath? "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." (Gal 5:14). This certainly covers the 4th commandment.

Ultimately creation is a salvation metaphor and the 7th day is a complete work in us that ushers is God's rest and we are called holy which is the process of scarification. We are the new creation and in the new creation we keep the 7th day holy by keeping ourselves holy.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You've got that backwards. Christ says "all the law and prophets hang upon these two commandments" (Mat 22:40) Christ does not say these two commandments come from the 10 (which is found nowhere in scripture) but rather the 10 (and the rest of the law and prophets) come from these 2 laws.

This is what Christ said:

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Where does the Second Greatest commandment come from on how to love thy neighbor? Right from the Ten Commandments that deal with the commandments on how to love mankind.

Rom 13:9 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [a]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Where does the Greatest Commandment come from to love God with all thy heart and soul? From this same unit of Ten as shown in Deut 5 (quoting from Exo 20:1-17_ and Deut 6, what Jesus was quoting from.

Love to God, love to man hang all the law and Prophets (God's Word) God never left undefined how to love Him or how to love our neighbor 1 John 5:2-3 but sadly most rely on their own version of love Jer 17:9 instead of allow God to direct our paths in all ways including how to love Exo 20:6 Mat 14:15

No wonder why the wisest man said this:

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

What Christ reveals is a universal (unchanging) construct that covenant law (temporary) is based on. With regards to the sabbath and questions regarding how in practice does Christ law look like Christ answers this specifically affirming that doing good (goodness that is synonymous with Christ's law) is lawful practice on the Sabbath even if it means the act of doing good involves work it still is lawful practice.

Since our rest action on the Sabbath cannot fulfill the sabbath because we cannot complete the work why not do an action that can fulfill the Sabbath? "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." (Gal 5:14). This certainly covers the 4th commandment.

Ultimately creation is a salvation metaphor and the 7th day is a complete work in us that ushers is God's rest and we are called holy which is the process of scarification. We are the new creation and in the new creation we keep the 7th day holy by keeping ourselves holy.

I am going to listen to what God said. Exo 20:6 John 14:15 Isa 56:1-2 1 John 5:3 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 5:19-30 Luke 4:16 1 John 2:6 John 15:10 because our ideas, thoughts, wants and desires are important to us, but its not the same as what God says.

For example, there is no Scripture that says "Since our rest action on the Sabbath cannot fulfill the sabbath because we cannot complete the work why not do an action that can fulfill the Sabbath? " There is nothing in the Sabbath commandment about not keeping because we can't complete the work. The God I serve gives us the power to keep His commandments, just as He said through Him John 14:15-18. God said not to work on the seventh day Exo 20:8-11 so we can keep the Sabbath day holy Exo 20:6 placing our minds on Jesus doing this to honor and worship Him. Isa 58:13 so of course it can be kept, just the way God said it could. Its a matter of willingness and decision.

There is nothing that says
" We are the new creation and in the new creation we keep the 7th day holy by keeping ourselves holy." Man can't make ourselves holy, nor can we make a day holy, only God can do that. God from the beginning made the seventh day Sabbath holy, He blessed and sanctified for holy use and commanded us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exo 20:8-11 by putting aside all secular activities and focus on God for one day on the day He set aside to do so. Isa 58:13 So God can bless Isa 56:1-2 and sanctify us Eze 20:12, because man can't sanctify ourselves Isa 66:17 , which we try to do when they create our own version of how to keep God's Sabbath or lay it aside saying its not for me Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14. something we were warned would happen in the last days Acts 20:30. Its best just to stick with what He said, just the way He said it and not try to speak for Him, as He doesn't need our help. Probably why Jesus said, man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4, quoting from the OT, because its best to let God be God and we be His humble servants living by His Word, not what sounds good to our itching ears.

 

[Leaf473]

Doing a particular activity (or inactivity) based on the position of the sun looks to me like a ritual

It's fine if people want to do rituals. If one wants to take as many of the same actions as Jesus did, they can also observe the feast of tabernacles

Our feet are standing within your gates, Jerusalem!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God said the Sabbath is a commandment, Exo 20:8-11 Exo 20:6 its part of God's Ten Commandments Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28which means it was never a suggestion, or pick the ones we want. This is the personal Testimony of God Exo 32:16 so the argument is really with Him. I do not believe, saying well it seems like to me, will be a good argument against God's Word, but I guess it will all get sorted out soon enough.

 

[Leaf473]

The feast of tabernacles is a commandment

These are the commandments which the Lord commanded Moses for the children of Israel on Mount Sinai Leviticus 27

Blessed is the person who fears the Lord, who delights greatly in his commandments Psalm 112

 

[DamianWarS]

Where does the Second Greatest commandment come from on how to love thy neighbor? Right from the Ten Commandments that deal with the commandments on how to love mankind.

"All the law and the prophets hang upon these two"

I'm not sure you're seeing the hierarchy here. These 2 commandments are positionally placed above all the law and the prophets. This includes the 10. Therefore the 10 are inferior to Christ's law and therefore Christ's law is superior to the 10.

This is can be naturally concluded simply by reading the letter of the 10 as the 10 show us an inferior method of how to love by reducing love to resisting harming our neighbour. Jesus's approach is superior as his focus is not merely to resist doing harm, but rather actively pursuing goodness/love. Sure it is good not to kill your neighbour but i'd hardly qualify that as love. The 10 show us moral pillars for civil order but they do not show us how to love.

By keeping Christ's law we are driven at more than merely resisting unfaithfulness to God or resisting harming our neighbour, we are driven by active love towards both. The sabbath is fulfilled through goodness too, as Christ makes that clear (Mt 12:12). What Sabbath points to is ultimately spiritual rest over physical and that should be our goal, and once we have it, we need to share it. (Rescuing sheep btw is a metaphor for sharing it)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

"All the law and the prophets hang upon these two"

I'm not sure you're seeing the hierarchy here. These 2 commandments are positionally placed above all the law and the prophets. This includes the 10. Therefore the 10 are inferior to Christ's law and therefore Christ's law is superior to the 10.

This is not written in my Bible. How can something be "higher" if the details is what makes up the summary. Its like saying the summary of the constitution being "justice" is higher than each of the amendments it represents when its the same thing.

How can Christ's law who Christ is God be inferior to God's law? This whole Christ and God and their laws are different entities is not a teaching of Scripture.

If one wants to separate God's commandments as different than the law of Christ, one would automatically disqualify themselves. Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 Rev 11:18-19 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

This is can be naturally concluded simply by reading the letter of the 10 as the 10 show us an inferior method of how to love by reducing love to resisting harming our neighbour. Jesus's approach is superior as his focus is not merely to resist doing harm, but rather actively pursuing goodness/love. Sure it is good not to kill your neighbour but i'd hardly qualify that as love. The 10 show us moral pillars for civil order but they do not show us how to love.

This is not written in my Bible.

God's own Testimony Exo 31:18 said something different Exo 20:6

By keeping Christ's law we are driven at more than merely resisting unfaithfulness to God or resisting harming our neighbour, we are driven by active love towards both. The sabbath is fulfilled through goodness too, as Christ makes that clear (Mt 12:12). What Sabbath points to is ultimately spiritual rest over physical and that should be our goal, and once we have it, we need to share it. (Rescuing sheep btw is a metaphor for sharing it)

You seem to be indicating that we can receive Christ spiritual rest by disobeying God's commandment for physical rest but the clear Scripture says otherwise as proven by the OP What is Christ's rest?

 

[DamianWarS]

This is not written in my Bible. How can something be "higher" if the details is what makes up the summary. Its like saying the summary of the constitution being "justice" is higher than each of the amendments it represents.

You are misrepresenting what Jesus said by your focus on the word "summary". We must be responsible with how we interpete scripture and use all the references to get a better understanding. A sumerization of the 10 is not what is biblical revealed. The context Jesus reveals is all the law and prophets and the question is which is the greatest, the 10 alone are never the context. Other references such as Romans, Galations and James all inherit this context regardless of which commandments they introduce they are all in agreement. Paul uses summary in Romans and fulfilled in Galations and Christ says all the law and prophets hang up these two. These statements are all addressing the same thing.

Mark 12:31 says it this way "There is no commandment greater than these." This was in response to the question asked in v28 "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" the 10 are not spoken of here, thus positionally they are inferior to the greatest.

This is not written in my Bible.

God's own Testimony Exo 31:18 said something different Exo 20:6

Christ shows us in Mat 5 that merely resisting to murder is not enough and we need to address matters of the heat. He also addresses adultery were merely resisting sleeping with another is not enough and we need to address the heart. The 10 do not address the heart.

You are confusing that we can receive Christ spiritual rest by disobeying God's commandment for physical rest but the clear Scripture says otherwise as proven by the OP What is Christ's rest?

Christ tells us this is lawful practice, and even explicitly shows it is lawful for the Sabbath, so I believe him. there is no disobedience or breaking law. There is only obedience and keeping law. What part don't you accept?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are misrepresenting what Jesus said by your focus on the word "summary". We must be responsible with how we interpete scripture and use all the references to get a better understanding. A sumerization of the 10 is not what is biblical revealed. The context Jesus reveals is all the law and prophets and the question is which is the greatest, the 10 alone are never the context. Other references such as Romans, Galations and James all inherit this context regardless of which commandments they introduce they are all in agreement. Paul uses summary in Romans and fulfilled in Galations and Christ says all the law and prophets hang up these two. These statements are all addressing the same thing.

So are we suppose to ignore what it says verbatim?

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Where does the Second Greatest commandment come from on how to love thy neighbor? Right from the Ten Commandments that deal with the commandments on how to love mankind. Same with the greatest commandment as shown from Deut 6:5 quoting directly from Deut 5 which is a quote from Exo 20:1-17

Rom 13:9 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [a]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

God never left love undefined and its matter of faith at this point if we are going to trust God's own Testimony Exo 32:16 Exo 20:6 because as far as I know, the whole bible is about the testimony of Jesus Christ, who is God that became flesh. If we can't believe His own testimony, I think we are not heading in the right direction.

Mark 12:31 says it this way "There is no commandment greater than these." This was in response to the question asked in v28 "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" the 10 are not spoken of here, thus positionally they are inferior to the greatest.

Its the summary as clearly shown through Scripture

Christ shows us in Mat 5 that merely resisting to murder is not enough and we need to address matters of the heat. He also addresses adultery were merely resisting sleeping with another is not enough and we need to address the heart. The 10 do not address the heart.

Not quite

Jesus said if we break the commandment of thou shalt not murder one would be in fear of the Judgement. Mat 5:21 Notice how He did not say, not to keep the commandment and one would be in fear of Judgement if doing so, but He went on to explain the real intent behind this commandment, which is a change of our heart. If our heart is changed by Jesus, we would never get to the point of breaking the commandment because thoughts of anger and contempt turn into compassion and love and thou shalt not murder would automatically be kept. This is what Jesus was teaching, not that one can literally break any of the commandments, He made this point clear by saying not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments, which of course includes the Sabbath commandment and in doing so one would be least in heaven and if reading the next verse I do not mean that means one will be there Mat 5:19-20

And why Christ said breaking these same commandments, and laying them aside, saying they are not for me, ones heart is far from Him Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

Christ tells us this is lawful practice, and even explicitly shows it is lawful for the Sabbath, so I believe him. there is no disobedience or breaking law. There is only obedience and keeping law. What part don't you accept?

Yet Christ said over and over not to profane His Sabbath but keep it holy Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13 Eze 20:20 Isa 56:1-2 Eze 22:26 Eze 20:13, so yes, there is disobedience and things that we do that is unlawful on the Sabbath, thus saith the Lord. Helping others in need like the example of Jesus was never a sin, which is what Jesus was correcting with the Pharisees, but He kept the Sabbath as a holy convocation Lev 23:3 gathering together in church reading God's Word, just as the apostles and the gentiles did every Sabbath following in the footsteps of Christ Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4. Our church does a lot of helping people on the Sabbath, many members go feed the hungry before church, we give out Bibles and other Christian books, we give them clothes and blankets. These were all similar things the Pharisees said were a sin, that Jesus was correcting. Most people when they say they are doing good on the Sabbath, but arguing against the Sabbath commandment, tend to use the Sabbath doing their own ways, not God's Isa 58:13 but there is nothing we can hide from Him Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 11:18-19