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What if Preachers Never Got Paid?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by LegacyJB, Mar 14, 2014.

  1. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    i think they'd begin investing less time in their education and more time ministering to people before being ordained .
     
  2. A New Dawn

    A New Dawn God is bigger than the boogeyman!

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    You seem to be differentiating between learning about the gospel and ministering. How do you see one sharing the gospel if they don't learn the gospel? Or is sharing the gospel not an important item here?
     
  3. drstevej

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    There is also a mandate to guard the flock from false teachers. False teachers often target the untaught.
     
  4. A New Dawn

    A New Dawn God is bigger than the boogeyman!

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    So, someone else supports you. Now we are getting to the meat of it. If you are "the servent of [your] Father and everything is taken care of by Him", why do you suggest that others doing the Father's will not be taken care of by Him?
     
  5. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    you learn the gospel from the person who told it to you . it's really simple . i recall one who said .. i don't know but i was blind but now i see . the good news or gospel . is what Jesus Christ has done in your life . no bible required .
     
  6. A New Dawn

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    So the story of Jesus' life, his death and resurrection and all that, that isn't important? Just share what Christ did in your life? What about the difference that Mother Theresa made in the lives of the orphans she took care of? Does that carry the same weight? I'm just trying to see what the cut-off is here. When does "This worked for me" trump "This is what Christ did for all believers and why He is able to be the one who can do it"?

    If there is no need for a Bible, why do we have one? Why would God give us a book of scripture if just sharing testimonies is good enough?
     
  7. Michael Collum

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    just saying . the first christians didn't have it . it's "useful" as a popular passage says . but not having one is not an obstacle for God who leads us into all truth
     
  8. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    but this is kind of a strawman as i wasn't speaking initially of a no-bible scenario . i was speaking of a no-books from seminary that teach eisegesis scenario
     
  9. A New Dawn

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    You're the one who said
     
  10. A New Dawn

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    And that is why God gifted the first Christians with the gifts of the spirit for the building up and edification of the church.
     
  11. Michael Collum

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    yes . but you took it to an extreme . no bible required does not mean it's not useful ;)
     
  12. A New Dawn

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    Cool. But I didn't take it to an extreme, I just took you at your word (that is all one can do on a discussion board.)
     
  13. Michael Collum

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    Indeed, this also illustrates how interpretation of passages in the bible can be varied .

    thanks for the exchange . blessings .
     
  14. razzelflabben

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    this might be a good place to talk about the deacons. In the early church, the deacons were the ones who made sure the physical needs of the people were met, not the pastor. The pastors job was to share the gospel, that is the spiritual needs of the people. You know, study, prayer, preaching...as such, it makes sense that Paul would teach about the importance of taking care of those dedicated to the spiritual needs of the people in that their needs would often be overlooked in exchange for the people understanding the value of the physical needs. IOW's the people are still focused more on the importance of the physical here and now, rather than the spiritual eternal...we see the same thing today. If you help someone physically, they are much more likely and willing to "thank you" for that gift then if you address a spiritual need in their lives. It seems to me that the core of the teaching of pay or not pay the pastor, boils down to an understanding of how valuable study, prayer, and preaching/teaching really are to the believer and the local group we know as the body of Christ. Those who advocate not paying seem to be of those that still consider the physical of more value than the spiritual. Just how it seems, don't shoot the messenger.
     
  15. razzelflabben

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    News flash...there is so much in the bible for us to learn, that all the teachers put together could not discover it all. That is why we are commanded to study, because scripture is a living word. Just saying.
     
  16. razzelflabben

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    that isn't exactly true. The first christians had the OT, just as Jesus had and quoted from. In addition, they were writing the NT, something that we do not have to do, being that it is already done. That is not to dismiss the importance of personal testimony, but it is to say that scripture is vital to our spiritual health and growth, which might just be why God commands us to study it. ;)
     
  17. drstevej

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    III John 5:7

    Beloved, you are acting faithfully in whatever you accomplish for the brethren, and especially when they are strangers; and they have testified to your love before the church. You will do well to send them on their way in a manner worthy of God. For they went out for the sake of the Name, accepting nothing from the Gentiles. Therefore we ought to support such men, so that we may be fellow workers with the truth.
     
  18. Michael Collum

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    1st Corinthians 9:6

    Or is it only I and Barnabas who lack the right to not work for a living?
     
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