What I just don't understand about the Bible.

[devin553344]

Different 'world'.
See concordance or context or just ask Jesus or the Father in heaven for His Meaning.

Then maybe it would be better to say, "he who loves evil cannot be a friend to God". Does that make more sense to you?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Then maybe it would be better to say, "he who loves evil cannot be a friend to God". Does that make more sense to you?

Why did you change God's Word from what is written to what you think (that is wrong) ?

 

[devin553344]

ooops - almost missed this point: WHAT can help a lot of people ?

You seriously have to ask that question. When there are starving children in the world?

Let's see:
Cars, Doctors, Hospitals, Science, Food, School, Airplanes and Trains, Churches, Disability programs, welfare organizations, running water, Police and Military weapons, etc. And I can be said to love some of those things. And list can go on and on.

 

[Hieronymus]

Why did you change God's Word from what is written to what you think (that is wrong) ?

I get the same idea from the Bible too.
Don't you?
Where is the "change"?
Because it's in quotes?
That's normal when you put a sentence in a sentence (isn't it?).

 

[devin553344]

Why did you change God's Word from what is written to what you think (that is wrong) ?

I'm sorry I didn't see where it was written in the bible that he who loves the world cannot be a friend to God. Can you point it out for me please? But more importantly God loves the world, and to say he is not is own friend would be blasphemy I think considering he is a good friend John 3:16

 

[Serving Zion]

Thanks, I don't believe every word in the bible. That is true. The books chosen for the bible were chosen by the Romans, that once killed Jesus.

It was the Jews that killed Jesus (but not all of them - most of them did not know it was happening until it was already happening: Matthew 27:18, Matthew 27:24-25, John 12:12-13, Luke 19:39-40).

At least that's what I was taught. But I do like the NT because it has God teaching people directly. And it's also newer text for translation. I'm still learning though. I also like the books of Moses. Even though it contradicts Jesus' teachings. A lot of killing of sinners in there.

The English language is a real stumbling block for Christians.. there is no way that the fullness of the originals can be conveyed through a translation into English - a snake that talks? .. the whole of creation took only half a million seconds? .. the ancient Hebrews had a very different mind of what the scriptures were expressing than what we have these days!

Look at this article for an example of how impossible it is for English to convey the wholeness of the scriptures, and then look what I learned about Nachash - the serpent!

And I do believe people can fall away. Sure. I feel led by God mostly though.

John 15:4-6 makes it heresy to believe otherwise.. and yet, there are those who like to call themselves Christian while teaching a totally opposing idea!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

1 John 2:15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone ...

https://biblehub.com/1_john/2-15.htm
If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. .... adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore ...
‎1 John 2:15 KJV · ‎1 John 2:16 · ‎1 John 2:14 · ‎1 John 2:15 NASB
James 4:4 You adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the ...

https://biblehub.com/james/4-4.htm
... toward God? So whoever wants to be the world's friend becomes God's enemy. .... If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Treasury of ...
‎James 4:4 KJV · ‎James 4:5 · ‎James 4:4 Commentaries · ‎James 4:4 NLT

Re-read what God Loves - asking Him for wisdom and maybe check a concordance or commentary what HE MEANS by "loves the world" (i.e. P E O P L E , H U m A N S )

 

[devin553344]

It was the Jews that killed Jesus (but not all of them - most of them did not know it was happening until it was already happening: Matthew 27:18, Matthew 27:24-25, John 12:12-13, Luke 19:39-40).

The English language is a real stumbling block for Christians.. there is no way that the fullness of the originals can be conveyed through a translation into English - a snake that talks? .. the whole of creation took only half a million seconds? .. the ancient Hebrews had a very different mind of what the scriptures were expressing than what we have these days!

Look at this article for an example of how impossible it is for English to convey the wholeness of the scriptures, and then look what I learned about Nachash - the serpent!

John 15:4-6 makes it heresy to believe otherwise.. and yet, there are those who like to call themselves Christian while teaching a totally opposing idea!

Thanks for clearing that up. I only vaguely remember what I was taught.

 

[Serving Zion]

You seriously have to ask that question. When there are starving children in the world?

Romans 8:20-24 - God gave up His only son - but not to produce the world we have today, right? .. no, but He gave up His only son in the hope that it would be redeemed from the curse of decay by the revealing of the sons of God. Has that happened already, do you think? .. no of course, Revelation 21:4 says we have a better hope. So there's more to the story yet, such as written in Daniel 9:26 and Daniel 7:21-22 (the kingdom of God that is in Jesus' name, from Daniel 7:14, goes for some time in the hands of those who are not "the holy ones").. the kingdom is in the hands of those who are not saints, "until the end of the war, desolations are decreed" (Daniel 9:26).

 

[devin553344]

Thanks for that, which proves my point. That we cannot entirely rest our faith on every word in the bible. You'll end up confusing yourself and thereby others. This is a good example where two scriptures contradict each other. Which is a point for the OP to consider when trying to understand what the bible says about salvation and losing it. Please look and compare the two following texts both from John? 1 John 2:15, John 3:16

 

[devin553344]

Romans 8:20-24 - God gave up His only son - but not to produce the world we have today, right? .. no, but He gave up His only son in the hope that it would be redeemed from the curse of decay by the revealing of the sons of God. Has that happened already, do you think? .. no of course, Revelation 21:4 says we have a better hope. So there's more to the story yet, such as written in Daniel 9:26 and Daniel 7:21-22 (the kingdom of God that is in Jesus' name, from Daniel 7:14, goes for some time in the hands of those who are not "the holy ones").. the kingdom is in the hands of those who are not saints, "until the end of the war, desolations are decreed" (Daniel 9:26).

Thanks, yeah I think Jesus enlightened everyone and now we have a better world to live in. So except for that I understand what your saying. I'm not very good at revelation. Thanks for the lesson

 

[Hieronymus]

John 15:4-6 makes it heresy to believe otherwise.. and yet, there are those who like to call themselves Christian while teaching a totally opposing idea!

Although i thumbs upped your post, i don't agree with your last statement.
It's not heresy to believe one can fall away i.m.o. (how i read things).
It's unlikely though, but not impossible.

 

[W2L]

Why ?

Other testimony in Yahweh's Word indicates praying for His Vengeance to be executed quickly on all those who have shed innocent blood through the ages.

The Bible says all society is pernicious ('death dealing'), particularly in Galatians , Ephesians, and Revelation,
and that even though Yahweh has mercy on whom He chooses to have mercy,
most all the world REFUSES to turn to Him for Help, Healing or Salvation - they reject God and continue serving/worshiping demons, over all the earth.

I desire mercy for all, even those who have tasted Gods vengeance.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I desire mercy for all, even those who have tasted Gods vengeance.

Those who taste God's vengeance are tossed in the lake of fire in Revelation, after Judgment Day.

This does not diminish God's Mercy at all. It also is Perfect Justice and Righteousness.

Yes, be merciful , "as HE IS".

 

[PaulCyp1]

Once you actually have your salvation, in Heaven, you cannot lose it. However, while you are on the road to salvation, on Earth, you can lose your salvation by turning away from God. This is of course complicated by Protestants who think they can be "already saved" while still alive on Earth, an idea that no Christian on Earth ever heard of until a couple of hundred years ago.

 

[W2L]

Those who taste God's vengeance are tossed in the lake of fire in Revelation, after Judgment Day.

This does not diminish God's Mercy at all. It also is Perfect Justice and Righteousness.

Yes, be merciful , "as HE IS".

Ok, sorry for being merciful.

 

[aiki]

What I just don't understand about the Bible is how can the writer of Hebrews in one sentence say that salvation is once for all in Hebrews 10:10 and in Hebrews 9:28. Yet in Hebrews 6:4-6 they apparently state that you can lose your salvation by falling away. Hebrews 6:4-6 has been brought up by multiple people who say that you can lose your salvation. It's my opinion that this interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 isn't in fact scriptural since those who have a saving faith will never fall away because God's Holy Spirit works in that person to keep that person in the faith. So why the apparent contradiction in the Bible? And not just between multiple books but between the same Author? I just don't understand this can someone educate me please?

You've hit on the heart of the problem when you wrote of an "apparent contradiction." Sometimes, things in Scripture can appear to be in contradiction when, in fact, they aren't. An apparent contradiction is not always a real one. Hebrews 6:4-6, for example is not in contradiction to Hebrews 10:10 when understands that Hebrews 6:4-6 speaks of a "tare" in the Church, an almost-saved person, who shares in the life of the Church, its ministries, worship and beliefs, but is not truly born-again. And it is for this reason that they fall away. They try to live the Christian life having only tasted of the Spirit, and having only an intellectual grasp and commitment to the Gospel, and having only a second-hand partnership with God in his work in and through the Church. Without true spiritual regeneration to fuel their living, however, these "tares" often fall away from the faith, convinced they've really tried Christianity and found it wanting and so are inoculated against the faith, hardened to it, and so immune to God's call to repentance and faith.

Every person comes to their reading of Scripture with certain doctrinal presuppositions in hand through which they understand what they read. These presuppositions are like lenses or filters through which Scripture is understood and to which Scripture is made to conform. Sometimes, when those presuppositions are faulty, the faultiness is revealed by the wresting of Scripture, heavy multiplication of explanations to make a verse or passage say what the reader wants it to say, constant eisegesis, and the putting of Scripture in contradiction to itself.

 

[Sycarton]

Thanks, I don't believe every word in the bible. That is true. The books chosen for the bible were chosen by the Romans, that once killed Jesus. At least that's what I was taught. But I do like the NT because it has God teaching people directly. And it's also newer text for translation. I'm still learning though. I also like the books of Moses. Even though it contradicts Jesus' teachings. A lot of killing of sinners in there.

And I do believe people can fall away. Sure. I feel led by God mostly though.

May I ask when you decided to come to Christ? And do you have any examples of contradictory things?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Ok, sorry for being merciful.

Be merciful, not sorry, as Yahweh(God) and Jesus are merciful, as written.

Be abiding in union with Yahweh the Father and Jesus Messiah, daily living as one in union , as the Father and the son are one, so also Jesus Prayed in John 17 that
you W2L and me yeshuaslavejeff, and all the disciples of Jesus be one as they are one,
(yes! now on earth, not later some day by and by)....

And so we are, or are becoming, as written, as Yahweh's Plan and Purpose is accomplished by Him; as we rely on Him and Trust Him by faith in Jesus.

THus, finally, daily, continuing, we experience as Yahweh desires - perfect set apartness, holiness, blamelessness, sitted (already) in heavenly places spiritually in reality in Christ Jesus,
and are merciful as the Father is merciful,
and know His Judgment as He Reveals, His Perfect Judgment of all things as He permits,
and have
true experiential knowledge with Jesus daily, in the Father, listening to the Father daily, seeking Him always, every day,
and being/ doing/ speaking as He directs, same as Jesus says to.

(like little children, simply, following the Saviors directions, living His Way "not of ourselves" ....)

 

[devin553344]

May I ask when you decided to come to Christ? And do you have any examples of contradictory things?

I began life living selfishly for many years and ended up spiritually empty, back in the turn of the century I figured out I needed God, so I started going to church and living a better life in accordance with how I thought I should be living. But I didn't feel safe in God until about 3 years ago. Now I just listen to the spirit and do as guided and the feeling of being safe if God stays with me. I used to fear God and judgement, but now I love God and I found it's OK to question church authority and even some translated scripture. If you can't question it then perhaps it wouldn't be the truth is kinda how I look at it. Being a physics study person. I even question God when he communes so that I don't get fooled by false spirits: 1 John 4:1

Glad you asked, we conjectured in this thread and found a conflict in whether someone should love the world: 1 John 2:15, John 3:16