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What I just don't understand about the Bible.

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Shalom @Serving Zion ,
I haven't searched for how many there may be,
but Yahweh Revealed Revelation to His Ekklesia here:
Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these ...

https://biblehub.com/revelation/9-20.htm

But the people who did not die in these plagues still refused to repent of their evil ... They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, ..

and then also in Ephesians here :
Ephesians 2 English Standard Version (ESV)
By Grace Through Faith
2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the bodya]">[a] and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.b]">[b]

and also in harmony with Galatians here (from a study by Wuest):

""That He might deliver us from this present evil world. Deliver is the translation of exaireo (¦îáéñåï) which means to pluck out, to draw out, to rescue, to deliver. The word strikes the keynote of the letter. The gospel is a rescue, an emanicipation from a state of bondage. The word here denotes, not a removal from, but a rescue from the power of the ethical characteristics of the present age. World is from aionos (áÆïíïò) which Trench defines as follows: “All that floating mass of thoughts, opinions, maxims, speculations, hopes, impulses, aims, aspirations, at any time current in the world, which it may be impossible to seize and accurately define, but which constitute a most real and effective power, being the moral or immoral atmosphere which at every moment of our lives we inhale, again inevitably to exhale.” It is that particular phase of human society, the one which our Lord found existing when He came the first time, which He will still find existing when He comes the second time, and which will be displaced by a new order of things in the Millennium. The word present is used twice elsewhere where it is applied to things existing, by way of contrast to things future (Rom. 8:38; I Cor. 3:22). The word evil is not from kakos (êáêïò) here but poneros (ðïíåñïò). In the latter word, the positive activity of evil comes out far more decidedly than in the former. The kakos (êáêïò) man may be content to perish in his own corruption, but the poneros (ðïíåñïò) man is not content unless he is corrupting others as well, and drawing them into the same destruction with himself. Satan is not called the kakos (êáêïò) one but the poneros (ðïíåñïò) one. This present age is described by Paul as poneros (ðïíåñïò). The English word which best translate this Greek word is pernicious. Webster says, “That is pernicious which works mischief or destruction.” This present age therefore is not content to perish in its own corruption, but seeks to drag all men with it down to its own inevitable destruction."
 
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What I just don't understand about the Bible is how can the writer of Hebrews in one sentence say that salvation is once for all in Hebrews 10:10 and in Hebrews 9:28. Yet in Hebrews 6:4-6 they apparently state that you can lose your salvation by falling away. Hebrews 6:4-6 has been brought up by multiple people who say that you can lose your salvation. It's my opinion that this interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 isn't in fact scriptural since those who have a saving faith will never fall away because God's Holy Spirit works in that person to keep that person in the faith. So why the apparent contradiction in the Bible? And not just between multiple books but between the same Author? I just don't understand this can someone educate me please?

I have understood that it means, Jesus died once, there is no need for other “sacrifices” anymore. And salvation means that your sins are forgiven and you are saved from the judgment that would come because of sin. But now, after sins are forgiven, person should not sin anymore, there is not going to be new sacrifice for sins. Person can’t lose the first salvation (forgiveness), but if you go back to sin, the salvation becomes useless, when there is new sin.
 
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What I just don't understand about the Bible is how can the writer of Hebrews in one sentence say that salvation is once for all in Hebrews 10:10 and in Hebrews 9:28. Yet in Hebrews 6:4-6 they apparently state that you can lose your salvation by falling away. Hebrews 6:4-6 has been brought up by multiple people who say that you can lose your salvation. It's my opinion that this interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 isn't in fact scriptural since those who have a saving faith will never fall away because God's Holy Spirit works in that person to keep that person in the faith. So why the apparent contradiction in the Bible? And not just between multiple books but between the same Author? I just don't understand this can someone educate me please?

Yeah I agree that is strange, that passage is stating you're in charge of saving yourself somehow, which doesn't sound right to me. It's always been my firm belief that only God can save a person and that we are all evil when left to our own devices. So then it requires God to save us as if we were little children.
 
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Yeah I agree that is strange, that passage is stating you're in charge of saving yourself somehow, which doesn't sound right to me. It's always been my firm belief that only God can save a person and that we are all evil when left to our own devices. So then it requires God to save us as if we were little children.
Yes, yet look throughout all Scripture, and see the examples of faithful men and women Yahweh Breathed to be included in His Word for our edification and conviction and uplifting encouragement -
see who Yahweh calls holy (set apart; ekklesia who are one with Jesus just as Jesus is one with the Father, TODAY , and in the past) ,

see who Yahweh calls faithful, and blameless, and perfect.....

see what they did.

Ask Yahweh to grant His Meaning to you, His Understanding, instead of faulty men's ways.

(if you are willing to do as He Says today and forever without rejecting and without doubting Him)
 
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The Bible is God's Word. It has no error because God is perfect. Scripture is God-breathed. "
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
2 Timothy 3:16‭-‬17 NIV

Nothing that God tells us is false.
You CAN fall away, even if you are saved. Because even thought the Spirit is working in you. God wont MAKE you do what he wants. He gives us choices. And we get to choose. So yes you can fall away and turn back to your sin even while knowing the truth. But to turn away and walk in the path of sin is definitely the wrong choice
 
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The Bible is God's Word. It has no error because God is perfect. Scripture is God-breathed. "
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
2 Timothy 3:16‭-‬17 NIV

Nothing that God tells us is false.
You CAN fall away, even if you are saved. Because even thought the Spirit is working in you. God wont MAKE you do what he wants. He gives us choices. And we get to choose. So yes you can fall away and turn back to your sin even while knowing the truth. But to turn away and walk in the path of sin is definitely the wrong choice

Thanks, I don't believe every word in the bible. That is true. The books chosen for the bible were chosen by the Romans, that once killed Jesus. At least that's what I was taught. But I do like the NT because it has God teaching people directly. And it's also newer text for translation. I'm still learning though. I also like the books of Moses. Even though it contradicts Jesus' teachings. A lot of killing of sinners in there.

And I do believe people can fall away. Sure. I feel led by God mostly though.
 
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What I just don't understand about the Bible is how can the writer of Hebrews in one sentence say that salvation is once for all in Hebrews 10:10 and in Hebrews 9:28. Yet in Hebrews 6:4-6 they apparently state that you can lose your salvation by falling away. Hebrews 6:4-6 has been brought up by multiple people who say that you can lose your salvation. It's my opinion that this interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 isn't in fact scriptural since those who have a saving faith will never fall away because God's Holy Spirit works in that person to keep that person in the faith. So why the apparent contradiction in the Bible? And not just between multiple books but between the same Author? I just don't understand this can someone educate me please?

I write you a check of 10 million dollars. You are a finally a millionaire. However, you can eventually become a beggar if you lose it.

In short, what you've been given is final. There is no need for any form of atonement because the salvation given by christ is the final one. It is the accomplishment of all the laws in the past, nevertheless that doesn't mean you are safeguarded from doing anything you want.

Lets say a man in his life was really a spiritual devout but due to events in his/her life, he became a murderer or something terrible. Do you think it's right for him to just be saved regardless?

You see, the main thing is needed is rationality. We must understand that in this world their is a factor called "circumstances" and "situations". Not everything can just be explained in one sentence or even in a set of books (the Bible) you must also have a form of rational judgement and rationally speaking not all christians deserve salvation because of whatever beliefs they had.
 
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Thanks, I don't believe every word in the bible. That is true. The books chosen for the bible were chosen by the Romans, that once killed Jesus. At least that's what I was taught. But I do like the NT because it has God teaching people directly. And it's also newer text for translation. I'm still learning though. I also like the books of Moses. Even though it contradicts Jesus' teachings. A lot of killing of sinners in there.

And I do believe people can fall away. Sure. I feel led by God mostly though.

I respect what you said, because finally you are a protestant who is being intellectually honest.
 
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Thanks, I don't believe every word in the bible. That is true. The books chosen for the bible were chosen by the Romans, that once killed Jesus. At least that's what I was taught. But I do like the NT because it has God teaching people directly. And it's also newer text for translation. I'm still learning though. I also like the books of Moses. Even though it contradicts Jesus' teachings. A lot of killing of sinners in there.

And I do believe people can fall away. Sure. I feel led by God mostly though.
Even in GT (this section), I think there is enough evidence from Scripture that you have not read yet, or ? ,
to show that Moses never once contradicted Yahweh,
and Moses never once contradicted Yahshua,
and is in perfect Harmony with all of Scripture which is all Jesus' Teachings OT and NT.

So , yes, there is something to learn from Jesus, as He Says to His disciples "I know you don't know; come to Me, and I Will Show you" .....

Also, no, the Scripture was not put together by the Romans, nor manmade groups,
but
AS WRITTEN, Yahweh Breathed Scripture - Yahweh Inspired men to write His Word as He directed.
This is plain and clear IN SCRIPTURE, and True and unchanged.

Yes, God reveals salvation/ teaches truth/ to little children, as written in Scripture,
so
we do not have to rely on men or mankind or groups of men, but rely on the Father and on Jesus.

Remember that perhaps soon more sinners will die than perhaps ever before in history of the world, as written in Scripture. That's what sinners do - they die, btw.

Or, there is an alternative to dying.... I am sure you know what that is,
but few ever find it.
 
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I respect what you said, because finally you are a protestant who is being intellectually honest.

Thanks, I just learned about protestant. I'm still new to the religion differences.
 
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Even in GT (this section), I think there is enough evidence from Scripture that you have not read yet, or ? ,
to show that Moses never once contradicted Yahweh,
and Moses never once contradicted Yahshua,
and is in perfect Harmony with all of Scripture which is all Jesus' Teachings OT and NT.

So , yes, there is something to learn from Jesus, as He Says to His disciples "I know you don't know; come to Me, and I Will Show you" .....

Also, no, the Scripture was not put together by the Romans, nor manmade groups,
but
AS WRITTEN, Yahweh Breathed Scripture - Yahweh Inspired men to write His Word as He directed.
This is plain and clear IN SCRIPTURE, and True and unchanged.

Yes, God reveals salvation/ teaches truth/ to little children, as written in Scripture,
so
we do not have to rely on men or mankind or groups of men, but rely on the Father and on Jesus.

Remember that perhaps soon more sinners will die than perhaps ever before in history of the world, as written in Scripture. That's what sinners do - they die, btw.

Or, there is an alternative to dying.... I am sure you know what that is,
but few ever find it.

You appear very convinced of your beliefs. I guess I'm different. I study physics and require more evidence before I get on the bus :) But God has visited me in the spirit so I don't doubt that he lives.
 
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QUOTE="Cis.jd, "]You see, the main thing is needed is rationality. We must understand that in this world their is a factor called "circumstances" and "situations". Not everything can just be explained in one sentence or even in a set of books (the Bible) you must also have a form of rational judgement and rationally speaking not all christians deserve salvation because of whatever beliefs they had.[/QUOTE
You might want to talk with someone who read/ or just read about/ don quixote.

He knew something that many people never find out. (I don't necessarily know nor endorse everything about him, but one thing was in agreement with all Scripture)
 
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You appear very convinced of your beliefs. I guess I'm different. I study physics and require more evidence before I get on the bus But God has visited me in the spirit so I don't doubt that he lives.
Everyone to whom Yahweh (God) or Jesus grants understanding, understands.
Anyone to whom Yahweh (God) or Jesus does not grant understanding, cannot.

I don't know if this involves faith, per se, although it is written that without faith it is impossible to please Yahweh,
and whoever loves the world or the things of the world cannot be a friend of Yahweh.
 
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What I just don't understand about the Bible is how can the writer of Hebrews in one sentence say that salvation is once for all in Hebrews 10:10 and in Hebrews 9:28. Yet in Hebrews 6:4-6 they apparently state that you can lose your salvation by falling away. Hebrews 6:4-6 has been brought up by multiple people who say that you can lose your salvation. It's my opinion that this interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 isn't in fact scriptural since those who have a saving faith will never fall away because God's Holy Spirit works in that person to keep that person in the faith. So why the apparent contradiction in the Bible? And not just between multiple books but between the same Author? I just don't understand this can someone educate me please?

Context.

In Hebrews 10, the author is talking about the Jews being cleansed by the offering of animals - again and again; then he says that Christ offered himself once, for all, Hebrews 10:10. He expands on this in Hebrew 10:11-2 when he says that priests used to offer sacrifices day after day; sacrifices that could never take away sins. Whereas our High Priest offered his one sacrifice for all sin, and then sat down at the right hand of God, (because he had finished his work.)

In Hebrews 6, the author is addressing Jewish Christians who were being tempted to return to the Jewish faith and save themselves from the persecution that was coming to Christians. They were still Jewish by birth, and all they had to do to be accepted again by the Synagogues was to say they had made a mistake and Jesus of Nazareth was not the Messiah.
But if they did this, says the author, it would be no good hoping to repent again once the danger was past and say that Jesus WAS the Messiah after all.
These people were Christians, had eternal life, the Holy Spirit and many blessings from God; if they then denied God, by rejecting his Son, it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to return again afterwards - because, he says, they would be crucifying the Son of God all over again.

The book of Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians - the author explains that Jesus is greater than Moses, the prophets, the patriarchs, the temple and even the angels.
Elsewhere in the book he encourages them to persevere, to keep running the race and to not give up the habit of meeting together.
 
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Everyone to whom Yahweh (God) or Jesus grants understanding, understands.
Anyone to whom Yahweh (God) or Jesus does not grant understanding, cannot.

I don't know if this involves faith, per se, although it is written that without faith it is impossible to please Yahweh,
and whoever loves the world or the things of the world cannot be a friend of Yahweh.

Loving the world appears OK though, so I'm not sure about that: John 3:16 right? Maybe you're confused about earthly treasures. They can help a lot of people.
 
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Loving the world appears OK though, so I'm not sure about that: John 3:16 right? Maybe you're confused about earthly treasures. They can help a lot of people.
Different 'world'.
See concordance or context or just ask Jesus or the Father in heaven for His Meaning.
 
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Because
- God loved the world so much.
- Because no human created or raised themselves (not saying humans are not accountable for their actions though, but...)
Other testimony in Yahweh's Word indicates praying for His Vengeance to be executed quickly on all those who have shed innocent blood through the ages.

The Bible says all society is pernicious ('death dealing'), particularly in Galatians , Ephesians, and Revelation,
and that even though Yahweh has mercy on whom He chooses to have mercy,
most all the world REFUSES to turn to Him for Help, Healing or Salvation - they reject God and continue serving/worshiping demons, over all the earth.
You do realize that those accusations mainly apply to those who decide to act like that and / or those who force orcommand or persuade others to act like that.
The question then also becomes:
Who is responsible, the mislead or the misleader?

just 2 cents to consider..
 
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Loving the world appears OK though, so I'm not sure about that: John 3:16 right? Maybe you're confused about earthly treasures. They can help a lot of people.
ooops - almost missed this point: WHAT can help a lot of people ?
 
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Different 'world'.
See concordance or context or just ask Jesus or the Father in heaven for His Meaning.
Hmmm...
God saves the world because it's guilty, and so He gave his Unique Son.
That world.
Now apparently not every person in that world wants this to be true, and it's clear to me that the powers in this world do not want anyone else to believe it either, but that stems from hate for God and for fellow humans.
 
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