What great City is being symbolized in Revelation?

[TribulationSigns]

Matthew 24:6-7 KJV
[6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
[7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.​

God is not talking about physical nations or kingdoms here! Not a physical famines. It is about two diverse spiritual kingdoms within His Congregation pitting Elects against Professed Christians and false prophets and christs. This must take place BEFORE Christ returns.

Neighbor (fellow countryman) against neighbor is the prophecy of the congregation of the Lord being disjointed where one compatriot or native turns against the other. In Biblical terms, the wicked against the just. This great tumult or vexation from the LORD among them that Zechariah speaks of is brought about by Christ whose Spirit sets one countryman against another. And the reason is because with the coming of Christ to comfort Jerusalem, there is also brought enmity against them from the unrighteous. Every neighbor's hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor because he is at enmity with his neighbor. That's what Christ brought. Remember when Christ said He came to bring Peace. But He also said "think not that I am come to bring Peace." Why? Because He came to bring peace with God, but enmity and persecution of His people by their fellow countrymen or family. Mother against father, son against father, every man's hand against his neighbor. For example, see how the scriptures speak of the hand against the neighbor with regard to affliction/persecution and Peace.

Zechariah 8:9

• "Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which were in the day that the foundation of the house of the LORD of hosts was laid, that the temple might be built.
• For before these days there was no hire for man, nor any hire for beast; neither was there any peace to him that went out or came in because of the affliction: for I set all men every one against his neighbour."

Every man's hand against his neighbor is illustrating the enmity of the wicked against those who are children of God. This is the lack of righteous judgment that God hates, and is the opposite of true love (as illustrated in the second commandment), love thy neighbor as thyself.

Zechariah 8:16-17

• "These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates:
• And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the LORD."

By their enmity against God's servants, the wicked actually are profaning the Covenant/Promise/Oath with Israel of peace (Malachi 2:10), because they represent Him. Christ came to establish Peace with God, but this of necessity brings enmity with the wicked. See the prophesy of Micah chapter 7 and Christ's words of its fulfillment in Him.

Micah 7:2-6

• "The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net.
• That they may do evil with both hands earnestly, the prince asketh, and the judge asketh for a reward; and the great man, he uttereth his mischievous desire: so they wrap it up.
• The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity.
• Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.
• For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house."

Christ quotes from this to illustrate "HE" came in fulfillment of it:

Matthew 10:35-36

• "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
• And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."

So this neighbor against neighbor is no mystery, it was for this reason that Christ came. To set every man's hand was against his brother, friend, father etc., illustrating the enmity that Christ brought between the children of God and the children of the Devil within the congregation! No matter who they are. That inherent warfare (the lack of peace with God) was almost the universal occupation before Christ came, and Christ came to comfort Jerusalem (Isaiah 40:2) that they might come to worship God. He came to end the warfare of that city, thus setting at variance neighbor against neighbor and family against family. Please note carefully that Zechariah declares this great tumult is from the Lord.

Zechariah 14:13

• "And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour."

This great tumult (misfortune, trouble, vexation) is from the Lord. As Christ Himself said, he came to set a man at variance against them of his own household. This neighbor against neighbor. Why? Because the Lord is AMONG them.

Mark 14:50-52

• "And they all forsook him, and fled.
• And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:
• And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked."

You are either with Christ or you are against Him. There is no "in-between" as some theologians seem to believe.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Jerusalem 70ad?

Luke 23:
27 Followed yet to Him a vast multitude of the people and of women were.
And grieved/ekoptonto <2875> and wailed/eqrhnoun <2354 over Him.

2875. kopto kop'-to a primary verb; to "chop"; specially, to beat the breast in grief:--cut down, lament, mourn, (be-)wail. Compare the base of 5114.
Strong's Number G2875 matches the Greek κόπτω (koptō), which occurs 10 times in 8 verses

Mathew 24:30
Then shall be appearing the sign of the Son of the Man in heaven and then shall be grieving<2875>,all the tribes of the land
and they shall be seeing the Son of the Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with great power and glory

Luke 23:
27 Followed yet to Him a vast multitude of the people and of women were.
And grieved<2875> and wailed/eqrhnoun <2354 over Him.

2 times in Revelation

Revelation 1:7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him.
And all the tribes of the land shall be grieving<2875> because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 18:9
“The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weeping and grieving<2875> for Her,
when they see the smoke of Her burning,

 

[seventysevens]

Beware of modern translations!
"Made us to be a kingdom and priests" does not make any sense.

NKJV
6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Latin Vulgate
1:6 et fecit nostrum regnum sacerdotes Deo et Patri suo ipsi gloria et imperium in saecula saeculorum amen


King James Version
1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


American Standard Version
1:6 and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Bible in Basic English
1:6 And has made us to be a kingdom and priests to his God and Father; to him let glory and power be given for ever and ever. So be it.


Darby's English Translation
1:6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father: to him be the glory and the might to the ages of ages. Amen.


Douay Rheims
1:6 And hath made us a kingdom, and priests to God and his Father, to him be glory and empire for ever and ever. Amen.


Noah Webster Bible
1:6 And hath made us kings and priests to God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Weymouth New Testament
1:6 and has formed us into a Kingdom, to be priests to God, His Father--to Him be ascribed the glory and the power until the Ages of the Ages. Amen.


World English Bible
1:6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.


Young's Literal Translation
1:6 and did make us kings and priests to his God and Father, to him is the glory and the power to the ages of the ages! Amen.

http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B66C001.htm

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

[/quote]Dave Watchman said: ↑
I'm reading this a bit different. But one of the things i got stuck on were these Bible translations. Most of them don't say: "And hath made us kings, most of them say:"And have made us a kingdom.[/quote]
Depends on the greek texts........

New American Standard Bible
and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father-- to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

King James Bible
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 1:6
Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
kai epoihsen hmaV basileis kai iereiV tw qew kai patri autou autw h doxa kai to kratoV eiV touV aiwnaV twn aiwnwn amhn
Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
kai epoihsen hmaV basileis kai iereiV tw qew kai patri autou autw h doxa kai to kratoV eiV touV aiwnaV twn aiwnwn amhn
Byzantine Majority
kai epoihsen hmaV basileian iereiV tw qew kai patri autou autw h doxa kai to kratoV eiV touV aiwnaV twn aiwnwn amhn
Alexandrian
kai epoihsen hmaV basileian iereiV tw qew kai patri autou autw h doxa kai to kratoV eiV touV aiwnaV [twn aiwnwn] amhn
Hort and Westcott
kai epoihsen hmaV basileian iereiV tw qew kai patri autou autw h doxa kai to kratoV eiV touV aiwnaV amhn

 

[TribulationSigns]

NP

 

[Erik Nelson]

Beware of modern translations!



"Made us to be a kingdom and priests" does not make any sense.

It all depends on what our authority is, the Word of God or not.

Romans 15:12

• "And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust."

Revelation 5:10

• "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

Revelation 1:5-6

• "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
• And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

Revelation 1:9

• "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Colossians 1:13

• "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:"

Yet some people, especially premillennialists say, what King, what kingdom, what reign? They may not have a kingdom yet and may not reign with Christ, but according to the word of God, the ELECT sure does. They would do well to look for a better city than that built on that "patch of dirt in the middle east" known as Jerusalem. Look for one made without the hands of men.

Hebrews 11:16

• "But now they desire a better {country}, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city."

That better city, that heavenly city God's people desire is the "TRUE" Holy City Jerusalem from above, wherein Christ CURRENTLY reigns from, and has reigned since the ascension.

Revelation 5:10

• "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

And indeed the saints "did" reign as Kings on earth. All of them, even as we do today. The statement is already true, not will be true in the future. We have already been made Kings and Priests unto God, and are already living and reigning on earth. And have been since the cross instituted the millennial reign of Christ's kingdom on earth. When Christ said my Kingdom is not of this world, He wasn't kidding, He was expounding on the scriptures.

Let read Revelation 1:5-6 again:

Revelation 1:5-6

• "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
• And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

Hath made, not will make. We already reign with Him on earth as Kings and Priests in the Kingdom

Revelation 1:9

• "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Not will, but Christ already has a Kingdom and has already made us reign as Kings and Priests in this Kingdom of God, right here on earth.

1st Peter 2:9

• "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"

In the Greek, Royal Priesthood is the exact same as Kingdom of Priests. In fact, this verse is directly related to the Exodus 19:6 Kingdom of Priests passage. The Kingdom Of God on earth has already been established.

Luke 17:20-21

• "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
• Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

Looking for an observable or physical Kingdom of Christ on earth is futile, even as Christ so plainly illustrated. His Kingdom does NOT come in such a manner so that it can be physically observed by man, because it is a Spiritual Kingdom. An invisible kingdom more powerful and glorious than any Kingdom that could be observed on earth, ever could be. And I am a king and priest of that kingdom and my job is to preach Gospel to men... until Christ returns.

yes, the kingdom began with Jesus and has existed continually since

the Millennium symbolizes the same kingdom coming to dominate society, as the majority, instead of merely a minority fringe movement

difference of degree not kind

 

[Davy]

Let's look at a few verses from the NT concerning Jerusalem in the 1st century and it's relation to the Great City shown in Revelation:
....

Comparison of 70 A.D. Jerusalem fails because:

1. where were God's two witnesses in 70 A.D. that were to work the plagues and then be killed with their dead bodies left in Jerusalem, and then they rise after three and one half days?
2. when did the Roman army setup an idol inside the Jerusalem temple for idol worship like Antiochus IV did in 170 B.C., which Jesus referred to in His Olivet discourse for future Jerusalem? The temple burned down in 70 A.D. before the Romans could get possession of it.
3. with the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe, coming immediately after God's two witnesses rise, all the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of The Father and His Christ. How is it that didn't happen in 70 A.D?

Our Lord's Book of Revelation has only small pieces that cover history. The majority of it is only for the very end of this world, our times. Because of the type prophecies in it that have never happened back in history, it is strongly pointing to the very end. Thus it is a mistake to assign it as history.

How come no one likes to mention the Ezekiel 16 parallels to Jerusalem in a fallen state in Revelation 11? Ezekiel 16 is where God called Jerusalem a 'harlot' because of allowing idol worship with the pagan gods of the nations, those God even using the idea of 'lovers' for the pagan idol worship. Revelation is showing the beast in control of it for the end. How can Jerusalem in that time be anything other than having fallen into pagan idol worship? Isn't that what Apostle Paul was also warning us about in 2 Thessalonians 2 concerning the coming Antichrist who will come to sit in that Rev.11 temple and proclaim himself as God, and over anything that is called God, or that is worshipped? I think the Scriptures are very clear that the Revelation Babylon Harlot is actually fallen Jerusalem for the end under the beast's ten horns, seven head, and ten crown false kingdom.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Comparison of 70 A.D. Jerusalem fails because:

1. where were God's two witnesses in 70 A.D. that were to work the plagues and then be killed with their dead bodies left in Jerusalem, and then they rise after three and one half days?
2. when did the Roman army setup an idol inside the Jerusalem temple for idol worship like Antiochus IV did in 170 B.C., which Jesus referred to in His Olivet discourse for future Jerusalem? The temple burned down in 70 A.D. before the Romans could get possession of it.
3. with the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe, coming immediately after God's two witnesses rise, all the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of The Father and His Christ. How is it that didn't happen in 70 A.D?

Our Lord's Book of Revelation has only small pieces that cover history. The majority of it is only for the very end of this world, our times. Because of the type prophecies in it that have never happened back in history, it is strongly pointing to the very end. Thus it is a mistake to assign it as history.

How come no one likes to mention the Ezekiel 16 parallels to Jerusalem in a fallen state in Revelation 11? Ezekiel 16 is where God called Jerusalem a 'harlot' because of allowing idol worship with the pagan gods of the nations, those God even using the idea of 'lovers' for the pagan idol worship. Revelation is showing the beast in control of it for the end. How can Jerusalem in that time be anything other than having fallen into pagan idol worship? Isn't that what Apostle Paul was also warning us about in 2 Thessalonians 2 concerning the coming Antichrist who will come to sit in that Rev.11 temple and proclaim himself as God, and over anything that is called God, or that is worshipped? I think the Scriptures are very clear that the Revelation Babylon Harlot is actually fallen Jerusalem for the end under the beast's ten horns, seven head, and ten crown false kingdom.

Josephus records that Jesus ben Annas walked around Jerusalem for months shouting "woe woe woe to Jerusalem!" antagonizing the inhabitants

Titus and the legions worshipped the imperial standards on the Temple mount

And the Jewish survivors passed on the following memory, from the Talmud (Gittin 56b):

Vespasian sent Titus who said, Where is their God, the rock in whom they trusted?12 This was the wicked Titus who blasphemed and insulted Heaven. What did he do? He took a harlot by the hand and entered the Holy of Holies and spread out a scroll of the Law and committed a sin on it. He then took a sword and slashed the curtain. Miraculously blood spurted out, and he thought that he had slain himself,13 as it says, Thine adversaries have roared in the midst of thine assembly, they have set up their ensigns for signs.​

Titus & Vespasian arguably embodied Apollyon & Abaddon, sowing destruction & desolation, as prophesied in the Book of Daniel.

 

[Davy]

Josephus records that Jesus ben Annas walked around Jerusalem for months shouting "woe woe woe to Jerusalem!" antagonizing the inhabitants

Titus and the legions worshipped the imperial standards on the Temple mount

And the Jewish survivors passed on the following memory, from the Talmud (Gittin 56b):

Vespasian sent Titus who said, Where is their God, the rock in whom they trusted?12 This was the wicked Titus who blasphemed and insulted Heaven. What did he do? He took a harlot by the hand and entered the Holy of Holies and spread out a scroll of the Law and committed a sin on it. He then took a sword and slashed the curtain. Miraculously blood spurted out, and he thought that he had slain himself,13 as it says, Thine adversaries have roared in the midst of thine assembly, they have set up their ensigns for signs.​

Titus & Vespasian arguably embodied Apollyon & Abaddon, sowing destruction & desolation, as prophesied in the Book of Daniel.

The Roman army under Titus tried to seize possession of the temple, but the temple burned down, a fire started within (this also according to the Jewish historian Josephus).

Thus the "abomination of desolation" event Jesus warned of from the Book of Daniel did not take place in 70 A.D. by the Romans. Antiochus IV in 170 B.C. still serves as the closest blueprint type for the coming Antichrist, as Antiochus took Jerusalem with his army, and he went inside the temple and sacrificed swine upon the altar and spread its broth, and then setup a idol abomination in the temple commanding all to bow to it in Zeus worship. The Romans did not do that because the temple was destroyed when they tried to capture it.

Result: No Temple - Romans couldn't fulfill the "abomination of desolation". It is still in our future.

 

[BABerean2]

The Roman army under Titus tried to seize possession of the temple, but the temple burned down, a fire started within (this also according to the Jewish historian Josephus).

Thus the "abomination of desolation" event Jesus warned of from the Book of Daniel did not take place in 70 A.D. by the Romans. Antiochus IV in 170 B.C. still serves as the closest blueprint type for the coming Antichrist, as Antiochus took Jerusalem with his army, and he went inside the temple and sacrificed swine upon the altar and spread its broth, and then setup a idol abomination in the temple commanding all to bow to it in Zeus worship. The Romans did not do that because the temple was destroyed when they tried to capture it.

Result: No Temple - Romans couldn't fulfill the "abomination of desolation". It is still in our future.

Only if you ignore John 10:22, and the parallel accounts found in Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21.

Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also killed thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices.
The same thing happened during 70 AD.

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[DaDad]

I saw this thread on Jerusalem being shown as the great City in Revelation at the link below, [but would like to add a poll thread to mine]


https://www.christianforums.com/thr...7-18-was-jerusalem-unfaithful-israel.8041995/
Babylon of Revelation 17-18 was Jerusalem/unfaithful Israel

Hi "Little Lamb",

The Daniel Chapter 2 Image of Metals is inherently the "Metropolis" model which the Babylonian Empire used to regulate trade, provide essential "services" such as roads and libraries, and even entertainment such as one of the Seven Wonders Of The World -- the Hanging Gardens.

And so each successive empires retains this heritage, which has evolved down to how many ounces of sugary soft drink should be dispensed.

The creators of Superman recognized this foundational history, and thus named the city where Clark Kent worked as "Metropolis". And of course he worked at the "Daily Planet".

Thus Mystery Babylon.

But the church is deaf, dumb, and blind.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[TribulationSigns]

The Daniel Chapter 2 Image of Metals is inherently the "Metropolis" model which the Babylonian Empire used to regulate trade, provide essential "services" such as roads and libraries, and even entertainment such as one of the Seven Wonders Of The World -- the Hanging Gardens.

And so each successive empires retains this heritage, which has evolved down to how many ounces of sugary soft drink should be dispensed.

The creators of Superman recognized this foundational history, and thus named the city where Clark Kent worked as "Metropolis". And of course, he worked at the "Daily Planet".

Thus Mystery Babylon.

But the church is deaf, dumb, and blind.

How Ridiculous!

Do you think God had His Prophet Daniel to prophesy about the successive physical "empires" based on "roads, libraries, and entertainment" and then label a country as Mystery Babylon because of "metropolis" and "Daily Planet?" Do you really have any knowledge in biblical exegesis?

 

[DaDad]

But the church is deaf, dumb, and blind.

How Ridiculous!

To All,
I think I just proved my point!
Thanks,
DaDad

 

[DaDad]

... so to continue the premise, let me start at the beginning:

Nebuchadnezzar employed the Metropolis model, which persists throughout the Image Of Metals FIVE empires.

When Babylon fell, it's reasonable to presume that the "mantle" possibly fell to Alexandria, then Rome, then Paris, then London, and finally to New York City.

And where Rev. 18 describes this harlot city, one should consider that this Mystery Babylon "Metropolis Model" is not just ONE city, but rather an infrastructure with global ramifications as Rev. 17 depicts per the following:

9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; 10 they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while. 11 As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition.​

Head of Gold, Babylon -- 1 of 5 has fallen
Breast of Silver, Medo/Persia -- 2 of 5 has fallen
Belly of Bronze, Greece -- 3 of 5 has fallen
Legs of Iron, Rome -- 4 of 5 has fallen
Feet of Clay "divided kingdom"

Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S. -- 5 of 5 has fallen from preeminence
Bear, Russia -- "one is" when it attacks Israel
Leopard (actually tiger), China -- is "yet to come and shall remain a little while"
"Dreadful", United Nations -- "eighth that was and is not" because it has NO geography, NO army, NO populous​

So where there will be a "plague" on many nations and major cities, I expect to see one additional aspect:

In Daniel 11:45 we find the following:

45 And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him.​

This passage is a direct reference to the United Nations, which one can only presume will relocate it's headquarters from New York City to a location that is contested between two groups, -- the Jews and the Palestinians -- in the city of Jerusalem at the center of the earth.


Or so it would appear!

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

[I am now changing my vote from "maybe" to "yes"]

Here is something interesting I found while looking at this greek word in Luke 21:

#G3625

3625. oikoumene oy-kou-men'-ay feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by implication, of 1093); land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire:--earth, world.
Strong's Number G3625 matches the Greek οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē), which occurs 15 times in 15 verses

It is used in 2 verses of the Olivet Discourse: Matthew 24 and Luke 21 thus tying in Matt and Luke to 70ad and Revelation:

Matthew 24:14
“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625> as a witness to all the nations,
and then the end will come.

Luke 21:26 [Revelation 3:10]
“men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming upon the earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>,
for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


3 times in Revelation:

Revelation 3:10 [Luke 21:26]
‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you out of the hour of that trial which is about to be coming upon the whole earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>,
to try those who dwell on the land.

Revelation 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 16:14
For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[fn] of the whole earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

 

[Erik Nelson]

[I am now changing my vote from "maybe" to "yes"]

Here is something interesting I found while looking at this greek word in Luke 21:

#G3625

3625. oikoumene oy-kou-men'-ay feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by implication, of 1093); land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire:--earth, world.
Strong's Number G3625 matches the Greek οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē), which occurs 15 times in 15 verses

It is used in 2 verses of the Olivet Discourse: Matthew 24 and Luke 21 thus tying in Matt and Luke to 70ad and Revelation:

Matthew 24:14
“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625> as a witness to all the nations,
and then the end will come.

Luke 21:26 [Revelation 3:10]
“men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming upon the earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>,
for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


3 times in Revelation:

Revelation 3:10 [Luke 21:26]
‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you out of the hour of that trial which is about to be coming upon the whole earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>,
to try those who dwell on the land.

Revelation 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 16:14
For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[fn] of the whole earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Michael Heiser states somewhere that St. Paul wanted to preach in Spain so as to have evangelized all 72 nations listed in the Table of Nations in Genesis 10.

Heiser says Paul was sure God would keep him alive until all Biblically-known nations received the Gospel.

Will try to find the reference

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Michael Heiser states somewhere that St. Paul wanted to preach in Spain so as to have evangelized all 72 nations listed in the Table of Nations in Genesis 10.

Heiser says Paul was sure God would keep him alive until all Biblically-known nations received the Gospel..

Will try to find the reference

Good info and thks.

I don't know when these 2 Epistles were written, but it appears they were saying their deaths were pretty near, and certainly before 70 ad. Will look more into this.

2 peter 1:14
Having known that speedily is the putting off/apoqesiV <595> of the booth/skhnw-matoV <4638> of me,
according as also the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, makes evident to me.

2 Timothy 4:6
For I am already being poured out and the time of the my loosing is come.
7 The ideal contest, I have contested, the run/race I have finished, the faith I have kept:

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In Daniel 11:45 we find the following:

45 And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him.​

This passage is a direct reference to the United Nations, which one can only presume will relocate it's headquarters from New York City to a location that is contested between two groups, -- the Jews and the Palestinians -- in the city of Jerusalem at the center of the earth.
Or so it would appear!
Thanks,
DaDad

Sounds good to me...........

 

[DaDad]

Sounds good to me...........

Hi Little Lamb,

Always be cautious, never trust -- but verify. And so let me expound a little on the United Nations:

In the Image of Metals, the feet have TEN toes; in Daniel 7:24 the "dreadful beast" has TEN horns; in Rev. 13 the "beast" has TEN horns; and in Rev. 17 the "beast" has TEN horns.

Each of these "TEN" are the same representation, and are thus:

Permanent Membership in the Security Council:
1. U.S.
2. U.K.
3. France
4. Russia
5. China

NOMINATED for Permanent Membership in the Security Council *:
6. Germany -- Economic Power
7. Japan -- Economic Power
8. Brazil -- Regional Representative for S. America
9. Nigera -- Regional Representative for Africa
10. India -- Regional Representative for the Near East
* "The Road To Reform: Towards A New Clarity,” U.N. Chronicle, UMI, Vol. 30, Issue 4, December 1993, pp. 45-46​

And having shipped "hazardous materials" within the continental United States, we DO NOT use the DOT (Department of Transportation) rules and guidelines, but instead use UNITED NATIONS rules and guidelines.

Furthermore if one were to do a search on "World Heritage Sites", one should discover that we don't even "own" the Statue of Liberty. The U.N. has jurisdiction over 23 United States of America "possessions".

So who "gave" our "possessions" to the United Nations for "protective custody"? And exactly WHAT will they do next?!?

With Best Regards,
DaDad

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi Little Lamb,

Always be cautious, never trust -- but verify. And so let me expound a little on the United Nations:

In the Image of Metals, the feet have TEN toes; in Daniel 7:24 the "dreadful beast" has TEN horns; in Rev. 13 the "beast" has TEN horns; and in Rev. 17 the "beast" has TEN horns.

Each of these "TEN" are the same representation, and are thus:

Permanent Membership in the Security Council:
1. U.S.
2. U.K.
3. France
4. Russia
5. China

NOMINATED for Permanent Membership in the Security Council *:
6. Germany -- Economic Power
7. Japan -- Economic Power
8. Brazil -- Regional Representative for S. America
9. Nigera -- Regional Representative for Africa
10. India -- Regional Representative for the Near East
* "The Road To Reform: Towards A New Clarity,” U.N. Chronicle, UMI, Vol. 30, Issue 4, December 1993, pp. 45-46​

And having shipped "hazardous materials" within the continental United States, we DO NOT use the DOT (Department of Transportation) rules and guidelines, but instead us UNITED NATIONS rules and guidelines.

Furthermore if one were to do a search on "World Heritage Sites", one should discover that we don't even "own" the Statue of Liberty. The U.N. has jurisdiction over 23 United States of America "possessions".

So who "gave" our "possessions" to the United Nations for "protective custody"? And exactly WHAT will they do next?!?

With Best Regards,
DaDad

I'm speechless............